Rev 2:10 μηδέν

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David Lim
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Rev 2:10 μηδέν

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[Rev 2:10] μηδεν φοβου α μελλεις πασχειν ιδου δη μελλει βαλειν ο διαβολος εξ υμων εις φυλακην ινα πειρασθητε και εξετε θλιψιν ημερων δεκα γινου πιστος αχρι θανατου και δωσω σοι τον στεφανον της ζωης

Something eludes me. Why is "μηδεν" not in agreement with "α"?
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Re: Rev 2:10

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Per BDAG μηδείς 2bβ (p. 647), μηδέν = in no way
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μηδέν doesn't seem so strong here

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Stephen Carlson wrote:Per BDAG μηδείς 2bβ (p. 647), μηδέν = in no way
It seems weaker than examples like:
Luke 4:35 wrote:Καὶ ἐπετίμησεν αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς, λέγων, Φιμώθητι, καὶ ἔξελθε ἐξ αὐτοῦ. Καὶ ῥίψαν αὐτὸν τὸ δαιμόνιον εἰς μέσον ἐξῆλθεν ἀπ’ αὐτοῦ, μηδὲν βλάψαν αὐτόν.
Acts 16:28 wrote:Ἐφώνησεν δὲ φωνῇ μεγάλῃ ὁ Παῦλος λέγων, Μηδὲν πράξῃς σεαυτῷ κακόν· ἅπαντες γάρ ἐσμεν ἐνθάδε.
Compare this instance, though, where οὐ is used different to οὐδέν
Mark 14:60 wrote:Καὶ ἀναστὰς ὁ ἀρχιερεὺς εἰς μέσον ἐπηρώτησεν τὸν Ἰησοῦν, λέγων, Οὐκ ἀποκρίνῃ οὐδέν; Τί οὗτοί σου καταμαρτυροῦσιν;
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
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Re: Rev 2:10

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Stephen Carlson wrote:Per BDAG μηδείς 2bβ (p. 647), μηδέν = in no way
Ah I see. That makes perfect sense, though I don't have BDAG. ;)
Stephen Hughes wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote:Per BDAG μηδείς 2bβ (p. 647), μηδέν = in no way
It seems weaker than examples like:
Luke 4:35 wrote:Καὶ ἐπετίμησεν αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς, λέγων, Φιμώθητι, καὶ ἔξελθε ἐξ αὐτοῦ. Καὶ ῥίψαν αὐτὸν τὸ δαιμόνιον εἰς μέσον ἐξῆλθεν ἀπ’ αὐτοῦ, μηδὲν βλάψαν αὐτόν.
Acts 16:28 wrote:Ἐφώνησεν δὲ φωνῇ μεγάλῃ ὁ Παῦλος λέγων, Μηδὲν πράξῃς σεαυτῷ κακόν· ἅπαντες γάρ ἐσμεν ἐνθάδε.
Thanks for the examples!
Stephen Hughes wrote:Compare this instance, though, where οὐ is used different to οὐδέν
Mark 14:60 wrote:Καὶ ἀναστὰς ὁ ἀρχιερεὺς εἰς μέσον ἐπηρώτησεν τὸν Ἰησοῦν, λέγων, Οὐκ ἀποκρίνῃ οὐδέν; Τί οὗτοί σου καταμαρτυροῦσιν;
Isn't this just the double negative, where "ουκ αποκρινη ουδεν" just means "do you not answer anything?"
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Re: μηδέν doesn't seem so strong here

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Stephen Hughes wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote:Per BDAG μηδείς 2bβ (p. 647), μηδέν = in no way
It seems weaker than examples like
Well, there is a tendency to overuse the negatives and weaken them. This may be one of them. In fact, the modern Greek negative δεν comes from a weakened οὐδέν, which ousted οὐ. This diachronic development of the negative is known as Jespersen's Cycle (cf. the development from Old French ne to modern French pas; from Old English ne to modern English not).
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