Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

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Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » November 15th, 2017, 3:48 pm

November 15th 2017 is the official publication date for the Tyndale House Greek New Testament[1] (THGNT). The form of the text on the page is distinctive. Anyone who has studied the Gospels using UBSGNT will be immediately aware that something different is going on here. Quickly scanning the pages of the Gospel of Mark you will see lots of paragraphs starting with Καὶ. Mark 10:32 is distinguished by a paragraph that does not began on a verse boundary. First line of each paragraph uses roughly a one letter width hanging indent which I cannot imitate using this editor.
Ἦσαν δὲ ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ ἀναβαίνοντες εἰς Ἱεροσόλυμα, καὶ ἦν προάγων
αὐτοὺς ὁ Ἰησοῦς, καὶ ἐθαμβοῦντο· οἱ δὲ ἀκολουθοῦντες
ἐφοβοῦντο.
Καὶ παραλαβὼν πάλιν τοὺς δώδεκα ἤρξατο αὐτοῖς λέγειν
τὰ μέλλοντα αὐτῷ συμβαίνειν

[1] https://www.thegreeknewtestament.com/
https://static.crossway.org/excerpt/the ... t-mark.pdf
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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » November 15th, 2017, 4:53 pm

Peter J. Williams explains the rationale for the paragraph divisions:
Most ancient manuscripts of the New Testament contained some sort of paragraph marks. Two common methods of paragraphing were putting the first letter of a line out into the margin (called ekthesis) and putting a small horizontal line (called a paragraphos) above the first word of a new section. In addition spaces of various sizes could be left at the end of a section.

In our edition we decided only to accept paragraph divisions based on early manuscripts.

http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/thgnt_blog ... in-mark-43
Paragraph divisions that do not fall on a verse boundary are found in Mark 4:3, 5:40, 8:32, 10:32.

Postscript: Paragraph divisions have a significant impact how a text is processed during reading. Decades ago when I started doing discourse analysis of the Gospels I became increasingly inpatient with the paragraphing in the UBSGNT which reflects a particular framework in regard to the synoptic problem. My simple workaround for this was using the Gramcord GNT which eliminated all the paragraph breaks and subject headings. Now days I alternate between Robinson-Pierpont and SBLGNT in hard copy. I intend to add the electronic version of THGNT to my workflow as soon as it becomes available.
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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Jonathan Robie » November 15th, 2017, 7:17 pm

Here's what it looks like.
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In a printed book it looks like this:

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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Jason Hare » November 24th, 2017, 5:18 am

Stirling Bartholomew wrote:
November 15th, 2017, 4:53 pm
I intend to add the electronic version of THGNT to my workflow as soon as it becomes available.
It's already available at https://www.stepbible.com.

For example: https://www.stepbible.org/?q=version=TH ... ions=VHNUG

Notice that it's not got the paragraph divisions, though.
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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Jonathan Robie » November 27th, 2017, 10:19 am

It was on sale at SBL for $15 (hardback) or $35 (fake leather). It is a beautiful book to hold in your hands, well bound, readable typeface, no clutter. They even put the introductory material at the end so that when you open it up, it opens up directly to the text. The punctuation is also distinctive - it is much more sparse punctuation than you find in NA28, and even a little sparser than Nestle1904 or Antoniades. I find this also makes it much more readable.

This is now the GNT I take to church and carry around with me. It isn't a reader's edition, and it doesn't have a lexicon, but it's easy to install an app on my phone and look up words as I go, clicking on individual words in the text when THGNT matches the text of the app, or looking them up in a lexicon when they do not.
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Jason Hare » November 27th, 2017, 1:53 pm

Jonathan Robie wrote:
November 27th, 2017, 10:19 am
It was on sale at SBL for $15 (hardback) or $35 (fake leather). It is a beautiful book to hold in your hands, well bound, readable typeface, no clutter. They even put the introductory material at the end so that when you open it up, it opens up directly to the text. The punctuation is also distinctive - it is much more sparse punctuation than you find in NA28, and even a little sparser than Nestle1904 or Antoniades. I find this also makes it much more readable.

This is now the GNT I take to church and carry around with me. It isn't a reader's edition, and it doesn't have a lexicon, but it's easy to install an app on my phone and look up words as I go, clicking on individual words in the text when THGNT matches the text of the app, or looking them up in a lexicon when they do not.
I think even using the Step Bible on my phone's browser will be nice. I've looked up several passages on their site in the LXX and in the GNT, and it's been just lovely.
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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Jonathan Robie » November 27th, 2017, 5:36 pm

Jason Hare wrote:
November 27th, 2017, 1:53 pm
I think even using the Step Bible on my phone's browser will be nice. I've looked up several passages on their site in the LXX and in the GNT, and it's been just lovely.
I agree - when I'm online. I like having this functionality offline.
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by RandallButh » November 28th, 2017, 2:03 pm

Stirling Bartholomew wrote: Now days I alternate between Robinson-Pierpont and SBLGNT in hard copy. I intend to add the electronic version of THGNT to my workflow as soon as it becomes available.
Those are all useful, readable texts, nice choice.
Jonathan Robie wrote:
November 27th, 2017, 10:19 am
It was on sale at SBL for $15 (hardback) or $35 (fake leather). It is a beautiful book to hold in your hands, well bound, readable typeface, no clutter. They even put the introductory material at the end so that when you open it up, it opens up directly to the text. The punctuation is also distinctive - it is much more sparse punctuation than you find in NA28, and even a little sparser than Nestle1904 or Antoniades. I find this also makes it much more readable.

This is now the GNT I take to church and carry around with me. It isn't a reader's edition, and it doesn't have a lexicon, but it's easy to install an app on my phone and look up words as I go, clicking on individual words in the text when THGNT matches the text of the app, or looking them up in a lexicon when they do not.
I got the "fox-leather edition" (νοείτω ὁ ἀναγεινώσκων). So for reading and walk-about I will either take this or a nice pocket-sized Robinson-Pierpont that a student had made for me.

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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by Jason Hare » December 2nd, 2017, 12:16 am

For those who still haven't purchased a copy of the THGNT, you can now get a hardcover copy for half price ($20):

https://www.wtsbooks.com/greek-new-test ... 45b2db1e06

I just caved and bought one.
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Re: Paragraph breaks THGNT Mark 10:32

Post by tdbenedict » December 2nd, 2017, 6:48 pm

I also got the black faux leather version. I have to say that it is the nicest looking GNT I've seen. Even the black box it comes in is really well done. Two big thumbs up.

The page layout is excellent and uncluttered.

The paragraph break format in my view really adds to the reading experience. Makes one feel, in a small way, closer to the original text.
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