Jeremiah 17:1-4

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Jeremiah 17:1-4

Postby Jesse Goulet » July 21st, 2013, 4:48 pm

I have Rahlfs-Hanhart Septuagint, which I got as a birthday present, and I don't have any formal training on the LXX. I'm just wondering why the first four verses in Jeremiah is missing? It skips from 16:21 to 17:5.
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Re: Jeremiah 17:1-4

Postby Stephen Carlson » July 21st, 2013, 5:09 pm

The Masoretic text (Hebrew) and the LXX (Greek) text for Jeremiah differ considerably. Here is a page laying out the major (verse level) differences: http://www.ccel.org/bible/brenton/Jerem ... endix.html
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Re: Jeremiah 17:1-4

Postby Louis L Sorenson » July 22nd, 2013, 10:13 am

The first and best advice I can give, is to first go to the NETS site (New English Translation of the Septuagint) and read the introduction to any specific book you are looking at. The LXX is an amalgam of sources. The MT (Masoritic text) many times does not line up the the Greek or Old Greek (OG). Note the that Greek OT (LXX | Septuagint) does not line up one-to-one with the Masoritic OT. Here is the link to the NETS Jeremiah chapter: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/34-ieremias-nets.pdf. However, the intro of the NETS to Jeremiah does not seem to deal with the text variation you are looking at. And I cannot find vol II of my Rahlfs, (which is not the most current critical text of Jeremiah, which I assume is the Gottingen version by Ziegler.) If you get your hands one of those texts, you may be able to see which manuscripts contain 17.1-4 and which are missing it.

"Different Hebrew sources for the MT and the LXX. Evidence of this can be found throughout the Old Testament. Most obvious are major differences in Jeremiah and Job, where the LXX is much shorter and chapters appear in different order than in the MT, and Esther where almost one third of the verses in the LXX text have no parallel in the MT."
-- Wikipedia


But the simplest explanation is that the Greek version of Jeramiah does not contain chapter 17.1-4.

Perhaps Albert Pietersma will come out of retirement and chime in. He used to frequent our e-mail forum and was put off by our new php-based forum. http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~pietersm/
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Re: Jeremiah 17:1-4

Postby Ken M. Penner » July 22nd, 2013, 10:34 am

Louis L Sorenson wrote:And I cannot find vol II of my Rahlfs, (which is not the most current critical text of Jeremiah, which I assume is the Gottingen version by Ziegler.) If you get your hands one of those texts, you may be able to see which manuscripts contain 17.1-4 and which are missing it.

Ziegler has the following:
Griechische und hebräische Reihenfolge der Kapitel des Ier.-Buches

LXX M

1:1–25:13 1:1–25:13
25:14–26:1 49:34–39
26 46
27 50
28 51
29:1–7 47:1–7
29:8–23 49:7–22
30:1–5 49:1–6
30:6–11 49:28–33
30:12–16 49:23–27
31 48
32:1–24 25:15–38
33 26
34 27
35 28
36 29
37 30
38 31
39 32
40 33
41 34
42 35
43 36
44 37
45 38
46 39
47 40
48 41
49 42
50 43
51:1–30 44:1–30
51:31–35 45:1–5
52 52

M LXX

1:1–25:13 1:1–25:13
25:15–38 32:1–24
26 33
27 34
28 35
29 36
30 37
31 38
32 39
33 40
34 41
35 42
36 43
37 44
38 45
39 46
40 47
41 48
42 49
43 50
44:1–30 51:1–30
45:1–5 51:31–35
46 26
47:1–7 29:1–7
48 31
49:1–6 30:1–5
49:7–22 29:8–23
49:23–27 30:12–16
49:28–33 30:6–11
49:34–39 25:14–26:1
50 27
51 28
52 52


Joseph Ziegler, ed., Jeremias, Baruch, Threni, Epistula Jeremiae (vol. XV; Vetus Testamentum Graecum. Auctoritate Academiae Scientiarum Gottingensis Editum; Göttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 2006).
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Re: Jeremiah 17:1-4

Postby Ken M. Penner » July 22nd, 2013, 10:56 am

For a description of the textual history of Jeremiah, you may find the following helpful:
http://emanueltov.info/docs/papers/24.jer.1999.pdf
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