II Samuel 7:10-14
Posted: October 19th, 2013, 2:46 pm
10 καὶ θήσομαι τόπον τῷ λαῷ μου τῷ Ισραηλ καὶ καταφυτεύσω αὐτόν, καὶ κατασκηνώσει καθ᾽ ἑαυτὸν καὶ οὐ μεριμνήσει οὐκέτι, καὶ οὐ προσθήσει υἱὸς ἀδικίας τοῦ ταπεινῶσαι αὐτὸν καθὼς ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς
11 ἀπὸ τῶν ἡμερῶν, ὧν ἔταξα κριτὰς ἐπὶ τὸν λαόν μου Ισραηλ, καὶ ἀναπαύσω σε ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν ἐχθρῶν σου, καὶ ἀπαγγελεῖ σοι κύριος ὅτι οἶκον οἰκοδομήσεις αὐτῷ.
12 καὶ ἔσται ἐὰν πληρωθῶσιν αἱ ἡμέραι σου καὶ κοιμηθήσῃ μετὰ τῶν πατέρων σου, καὶ ἀναστήσω τὸ σπέρμα σου μετὰ σέ, ὃς ἔσται ἐκ τῆς κοιλίας σου, καὶ ἑτοιμάσω τὴν βασιλείαν αὐτοῦ·
13 αὐτὸς οἰκοδομήσει μοι οἶκον τῷ ὀνόματί μου, καὶ ἀνορθώσω τὸν θρόνον αὐτοῦ ἕως εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα.
14 ἐγὼ ἔσομαι αὐτῷ εἰς πατέρα, καὶ αὐτὸς ἔσται μοι εἰς υἱόν· καὶ ἐὰν ἔλθῃ ἡ ἀδικία αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐλέγξω αὐτὸν ἐν ῥάβδῳ ἀνδρῶν καὶ ἐν ἁφαῖς υἱῶν ἀνθρώπων·
I have been thinking about this passage recently, and I am wrestling with these phrases. I believe I understand them, but would appreciate some feedback. In the first light blue example (woodenly) "I will raise the seed of you after you." Am I correct that either of the two following meanings would be possible? "I will raise one of your living descendants directly after you," or "I will raise up one of your descendants, who has not yet been born, after you".
In the second red example (woodenly) "if the wrong of him occurs, then I will discipline him with the rod of men." Here, I am struggling with the subjunctive. This can mean that he might not transgress or imply that he probably will, right?
I am trying to get as much meaning from this passage as is actually there, but please let me know if I am going beyond that.
Also, I know it is off topic, but if anyone will give me any insight as to the original Hebrew I would appreciate it. Is this truly a passage that can be translated "Even in his suffering for iniquity; I shall chasten him with the rod of men (with the rod due to men)." which, I believe (this citation is from memory only) is Clarke following Lowth's commentary pg. 187. On a side note, Dr. Buth's comments the other day inspired me to learn Hebrew as well, and I have been plugging away at that goal for the last week and a half now. So thank you, Dr. Buth, and thank all of you for reading this terrible wall of text!
11 ἀπὸ τῶν ἡμερῶν, ὧν ἔταξα κριτὰς ἐπὶ τὸν λαόν μου Ισραηλ, καὶ ἀναπαύσω σε ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν ἐχθρῶν σου, καὶ ἀπαγγελεῖ σοι κύριος ὅτι οἶκον οἰκοδομήσεις αὐτῷ.
12 καὶ ἔσται ἐὰν πληρωθῶσιν αἱ ἡμέραι σου καὶ κοιμηθήσῃ μετὰ τῶν πατέρων σου, καὶ ἀναστήσω τὸ σπέρμα σου μετὰ σέ, ὃς ἔσται ἐκ τῆς κοιλίας σου, καὶ ἑτοιμάσω τὴν βασιλείαν αὐτοῦ·
13 αὐτὸς οἰκοδομήσει μοι οἶκον τῷ ὀνόματί μου, καὶ ἀνορθώσω τὸν θρόνον αὐτοῦ ἕως εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα.
14 ἐγὼ ἔσομαι αὐτῷ εἰς πατέρα, καὶ αὐτὸς ἔσται μοι εἰς υἱόν· καὶ ἐὰν ἔλθῃ ἡ ἀδικία αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐλέγξω αὐτὸν ἐν ῥάβδῳ ἀνδρῶν καὶ ἐν ἁφαῖς υἱῶν ἀνθρώπων·
I have been thinking about this passage recently, and I am wrestling with these phrases. I believe I understand them, but would appreciate some feedback. In the first light blue example (woodenly) "I will raise the seed of you after you." Am I correct that either of the two following meanings would be possible? "I will raise one of your living descendants directly after you," or "I will raise up one of your descendants, who has not yet been born, after you".
In the second red example (woodenly) "if the wrong of him occurs, then I will discipline him with the rod of men." Here, I am struggling with the subjunctive. This can mean that he might not transgress or imply that he probably will, right?
I am trying to get as much meaning from this passage as is actually there, but please let me know if I am going beyond that.
Also, I know it is off topic, but if anyone will give me any insight as to the original Hebrew I would appreciate it. Is this truly a passage that can be translated "Even in his suffering for iniquity; I shall chasten him with the rod of men (with the rod due to men)." which, I believe (this citation is from memory only) is Clarke following Lowth's commentary pg. 187. On a side note, Dr. Buth's comments the other day inspired me to learn Hebrew as well, and I have been plugging away at that goal for the last week and a half now. So thank you, Dr. Buth, and thank all of you for reading this terrible wall of text!