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2 Maccabees 3:11 Gottingen text

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 1:57 pm
by Matthew Longhorn
I am reading through 2 Maccabees as a sideline to Josephus’ Antiquities at the moment and come across the following in 3:10-11

τοῦ δὲ ἀρχιερέως ὑποδείξαντος παρακαταθήκας εἶναι χηρῶν τε καὶ ὀρφανῶν, 11 τινὰ δὲ καὶ Ὑρκανοῦ τοῦ Τωβίου σφόδρα ἀνδρὸς ἐν ὑπεροχῇ κειμένου, οὐχ ὡς διαβάλλων ἦν ὁ δυσσεβὴς Σίμων, τὰ δὲ πάντα ἀργυρίου τετρακόσια τάλαντα, χρυσίου δὲ διακόσια
I am pretty sure that the bold text is an error in the accordance version of the Gottingen text but was wondering if anyone has a non-accordance version they could check? It doesn’t make sense contextually to say that it was not as if he were deceiving. Rather the text in my LXX which uses οὕτως makes more sense here.

Re: 2 Maccabees 3:11 Gottingen text

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 4:47 pm
by MAubrey
οὐχ ὡς is the Logos edition, too.

I'm not well versed in parsing the Gottingen apparatus, but here's what it says:
pr. και L′−62 46-52 58 311 LaXBM Sy | ὡς διαβάλλων ἦν] ουτως διαβαλλων A; ωσπερ ην διαβαλων L′ (-βολων 19; -βαλλων 542)
Seems legit.

Re: 2 Maccabees 3:11 Gottingen text

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 5:10 pm
by Matthew Longhorn
Thanks Mike, back to the drawing board for me on understanding the text then!

Re: 2 Maccabees 3:11 Gottingen text

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 6:39 pm
by Stirling Bartholomew
οὕτως ἦν διαβάλλων ὁ δυσσεβὴς Σιμων –Rahlfs

οὐχ ὡς διαβάλλων ἦν ὁ δυσσεβὴς Σίμων –Gott.

“To such an extent the impious Simon had misrepresented the facts.” –NRSVA, NETS

LEH διαβάλλω+ V 0-0-0-3-2-5
Dn 3:8; DnTh 6:25; 2 Mc 3:11; 4 Mc 4:1
to calumniate, to speak slanderously 4 Mc 4:1; to accuse [τινα] Dn 3:8; to accuse about, to injure with [ὑπέρ τινος] 4 Mc 4:1; to misinform [abs.] 2 Mc 3:11;

LSJ
VI. deceive by false accounts, impose upon, mislead, τινά Hdt.3.1, 5.50, 8.110, E.Fr.435:—Med., Hdt.9.116, Ar.Av.1648 (ubi v. Sch.), Th.1214:—Pass., Hp.Nat.Puer.30, Pl.Phdr.255a, Plu.2.563d.

The NRSV and NETS appear to ignore –Gott. οὐχ ὡς διαβάλλων ἦν.

Re: 2 Maccabees 3:11 Gottingen text

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 6:52 pm
by Peng Huiguo
διαβάλλω just means accuse, not necessarily to slander. ούχ ὡς actually makes better sense: "These deposits are for legit uses, not as charged by Simon". LEH makes the word more negative than it is. Be careful with lexicons.

NETS moves the Simon clause to the back and intensifies its slander dimension to resolve the difficulty of οὕτως. Clever.
The high priest explained that there were some deposits belonging to widows and orphans and also some money of Hyrcanus son of Tobias, a man of very prominent position, and that it totalled in all four hundred talents of silver and two hundred of gold. To such an extent the impious Simon had misrepresented the facts.

Re: 2 Maccabees 3:11 Gottingen text

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 6:56 pm
by Ken M. Penner
The Lexham English Septuagint has “It was not as the impious Simon misinformed”