Genesis 14:13

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Genesis 14:13

Postby JBarach-Sr » September 19th, 2011, 2:29 pm

In Gen. 14:13 we have the first use of the word Hebrew.
In the LXX it is περάτῃ which I take to mean "traveller, one who passes by, sojourns" etc.
So my question relates to the Hebrew of which I am just a little rusty.
Does הָעִבְרי come from עֹבֹר
meaning "to pass by"?
Is that why the LXX uses the word περάτῃ instead of Ἑβραῖον as it does a few chapters later in Gen. 39:14?
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Re: Genesis 14:13

Postby Ken M. Penner » September 19th, 2011, 3:08 pm

JBarach-Sr wrote:In Gen. 14:13 we have the first use of the word Hebrew.
In the LXX it is περάτῃ which I take to mean "traveller, one who passes by, sojourns" etc.
So my question relates to the Hebrew of which I am just a little rusty.
Does הָעִבְרי come from עֹבֹר
meaning "to pass by"?
Is that why the LXX uses the word περάτῃ instead of Ἑβραῖον as it does a few chapters later in Gen. 39:14?

I'd say you're on the right track.
Remember that the LXX translator did not have vowel points to help him, so he didn't always read the same Hebrew form as we do. He evidently associated the word ה‍עברי with the root עבר and translated the meaning of this root, putting it into a noun form. You may notice that the Genesis translator was not consistent with his rendering of Hebrew words derived from עבר. See 15:17; 18:5; 23:16; 32:11; 32:17; 32:32; 33:3; and 39:14, all with different Greek words.
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Re: Genesis 14:13

Postby George F Somsel » September 20th, 2011, 1:30 am

In the LXX it is περάτῃ which I take to mean "traveller, one who passes by, sojourns" etc.

I think you're a bit off-track here. The Hebrew reads
וַיָּבֹא הַפָּלִיט וַיַּגֵּד לְאַבְרָם הָעִבְרִי

It would appear that περάτῃ is a transliteration of the proper name appearing in Hebrew as פּלִיט with a change of consonant from ר < ל (λ > ρ or l > r). Perhaps this was done in an attempt to make something out of the PN other than a PN considering the syntax of the sentence.
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Re: Genesis 14:13

Postby Ken M. Penner » September 20th, 2011, 8:14 am

George F Somsel wrote:It would appear that περάτῃ is a transliteration of the proper name appearing in Hebrew as פּלִיט with a change of consonant from ר < ל (λ > ρ or l > r).

Actually, John has identified the right word correspondence, as confirmed by the LXX-MT parallel text Rick mentioned (http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/text/r ... enesis.par):
Gen 14:13
W/YB) PARAGENO/MENOS ^ DE\
H/PLY+ TW=N A)NASWQE/NTWN TIS
W/YGD A)PH/GGEILEN
L/)BRM ABRAM
H/(BRY =@(BR TW=| PERA/TH|
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