Stephen Hughes wrote:Lysias 24.23 wrote:πῶς οὖν οὐκ ἂν δειλαιότατος1 εἴην, εἰ τῶν μὲν καλλίστων καὶ μεγίστων διὰ τὴν συμφορὰν ἀπεστερημένος εἴην, ἃ δ᾽ ἡ πόλις ἔδωκε προνοηθεῖσα τῶν οὕτως διακειμένων, διὰ τὸν κατήγορον ἀφαιρεθείην; μηδαμῶς, ὦ βουλή, ταύτῃ θῆσθε τὴν ψῆφον. διὰ τί γὰρ ἂν καὶ τύχοιμι τοιούτων ὑμῶν;
Wes Wood - Section 23 wrote:"How then will I ever escape being the most wretched man , if firstly / not only (μὲν) I am robbed deprived [διὰ τὴν συμφορὰν missing!] because of the misfortune (to keep a language parallel with your "because of the plaintiff" - διὰ τὸν κατήγορον) of the greatest and most beautiful things? Will the things the city has given to take care of  the ones who are in such a state as this be taken away because of the plaintiff? O Council, let none of you place a stone pebble for this . For why should I receive [a lot]  like this from you? (See the note below)"
Wes Wood - Section 23 (Footnotes) wrote:2- Is there a better way to treat this than the English infinitive?
Perhaps. I used to think I was beginning to understand grammar in its rigidity, but now I think it is like I'm trying to draw constellations on the night sky. Jesus' Δός μοι πιεῖν in John 4:7&9 is translated more substantively than perhaps the Greek is
in actuality. You could could sort of bend grammatical boundaries like that if you didn't want to be "literal" (whatever that means).
Wes Wood - Section 23 (Footnotes) wrote:3- or "cast a vote"
How big do you imagine the "stone" is? A ψῆφος is much smaller than a λίθος, so perhaps "pebble" would be better.
Wes Wood - Section 23 (Footnotes) wrote:4- This "outcome" or "to this plaintiff?" I favor the former.
Unless he had sex reassignment surgery
in the space of a few phrases, the second option is null (ταύτῃ is feminine).
Wes Wood - Section 23 (Footnotes) wrote:5- This is what I would have said without the hint, but I would not have believed it to be a literal translation.
διὰ τί γὰρ ἂν καὶ τύχοιμι τοιούτων ὑμῶν; "For why should I receive [a lot] like this from you?"
Stephen Hughes wrote:ἂν ... τύχοιμι τοιούτων ὑμῶν - optative. "Why would I find you being such?", but the "I" is not so strong as it seems in English.
Could you explain what you've done here, please? I can't imagine it. To hit it with a blunt end of the stick, it's something like, "What have I ever done to pip any of you off?"
Clothes don't make the man. The man make the clothes.