Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους

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Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους

Post by Stephen Hughes » March 12th, 2015, 12:59 pm

Τὸ τοῦ Ἡσιόδου ἐπικὸν ποίημα περιγράφει τὴν ἐκστράτευσιν τοῦ Ἡρακλέους καὶ Ἰολάου κατὰ τὸν Κύκνον.

Ὁ Ἡρακλῆς (ἐκ δεξιῶν) καὶ ὁ Ἰόλαος (ἐκ εὐωνύμων (ἀριστερῶν)) ὁ ἀδελφιδοῦς αὐτοῦ.
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Ἀγγλικὴ μετάφρασις τοῦ ἔργου (τοῦ ποήματος). (ἴδ. σελ. σκ' καὶ τὰς ἐπομένας).
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Re: Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους

Post by Stephen Hughes » March 12th, 2015, 1:00 pm

Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους. Τὸ πρῶτον μέρος. Τὸ κείμενον καὶ βοηθήματα.
Ἡσιόδου, <<Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους>>, στοιχ. α'-γ'. wrote:ἢ οἵη προλιποῦσα δόμους καὶ πατρίδα γαῖαν
ἤλυθεν ἐς Θήβας μετ᾽ ἀρήιον Ἀμφιτρύωνα
Ἀλκμήνη, θυγάτηρ λαοσσόου Ἠλεκτρύωνος:
Βοηθήματα

προλιποῦσα = ἀποδημοῦσα.
δόμους καὶ πατρίδα γαῖαν - δηλ. τὴν οἰκίαν αὐτῆς.
ἤλυθεν - ἦλθεν.
ἐς Θήβας - μεγάλη πόλις ἐν Βοιωτίᾳ Image
μετ᾽ ἀρήιον Ἀμφιτρύωνα - ὁ Ἀμφιτρύων ἦλθεν πρότερον.
ἀρήιος - φιλοπόλεμος ὡς Ἄρης θεὸς τοῦ πολέμου.
Ἀμφιτρύων - στρατηγός τῶν Θηβῶν
Ἀλκμήνη - ἡ μητὴρ τοῦ Ἡρακλέους
λαοσσόος - ὁ σεύων (κινῶν) τοὺς λαοὺς
Ἠλεκτρύων - ὁ δοξαστὸς (ἐμφανὴς, ὑποληπτὸς) πατὴρ τοῦ Ἡρακλέους (ὁ ἀληθὴς πατὴρ αὐτοῦ Ζεὺς ἦν).

ἡ Ἀλκμήνη (ἐκ εὐωνύμων τοῦ ζωγραφήματος) καὶ Ὁ Ἡρακλῆς (ἐν μέσῳ, ὡς παιδίον) καὶ ὁ Ἠλεκτρύων (ἐκ δεξιῶν).
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Re: Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους

Post by cwconrad » March 13th, 2015, 7:41 am

Ἡσιόδου, <<Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους>>, στοιχ. α'-γ'. wrote:ἢ οἵη προλιποῦσα δόμους καὶ πατρίδα γαῖαν
ἤλυθεν ἐς Θήβας μετ᾽ ἀρήιον Ἀμφιτρύωνα
Ἀλκμήνη, θυγάτηρ λαοσσόου Ἠλεκτρύωνος:
The metrical configuration of the ends of the second and third lines is noteworthy. Both lines have the common word-end - the so-called "bucolic diaeresis" - at the end of the fourth foot, and in both the sequence of a dactyl and spondee/trochee is filled by a single proper name. But while Ἀμφιτρύωνα fills the bill in line two quite adequately, Ἠλεκτρύωνος is awkward in the dactyl: it should scan as -λεκτρ-ύ-ω-νος but the three consonants following λε- should make that syllable long (the τρ is not problematic, but κτρ won't quite work. It would appear that the composer has here failed to get meter and phrase together. Greek proper names are not infrequently stumbling-blocks for versifiers.
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Re: Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους

Post by Wes Wood » March 23rd, 2015, 10:12 pm

Ἡσιόδου, <<Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους>>, στοιχ. α'-γ' wrote: ἢ οἵη προλιποῦσα δόμους καὶ πατρίδα γαῖαν
ἤλυθεν ἐς Θήβας μετ᾽ ἀρήιον Ἀμφιτρύωνα
Ἀλκμήνη, θυγάτηρ λαοσσόου Ἠλεκτρύωνος:
"Or as she abandoned permanent dwellings and her native land
She went to Thebes after the warrior Amphitryon
Alkmene, daughter of Electryon who incites the people to war."

I obviously have made no attempt to translate the meter. Such a feat is currently beyond my ability. For that matter, the Greek may be beyond me as well... :?
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Re: Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους

Post by Stephen Hughes » March 28th, 2015, 12:50 pm

Πρὸ παντὸς, παρὰ ὀνόματα προσώπων, τοὺς πρώτους τρεῖς στίχους ἀναγιγνώσκοντες τούτους, μόνον δύο ἢ τρεῖς λέξεις εὕρομεν ἀσυνήθεις.

Καὶ τὸ δὴ ἐπιχείρημά σου καλόν. ὡς δὲ τὴν παράφρασίν σου (ὄντως τὴν μετάφρασίν σου τὴν Ἀγγλικήν) μόνον μίαν διορθώσω ἐρμηνείαν˙

μετ᾽ ἀρήιον Ἀμφιτρύωνα - after the warrior Amphitryon - τὸ ἐπίθετον <<μετά>> + τῇ αἰτιατικῇ, ἐν τῇ συμφράσει ταῦτῃ ἐνοοῖ <<ἀκολουθῶν>> ἐν τῇ πραγματικότητι (ἐπικαιρότητι) τὸ <<ἀκολουθοῦσα>>. (δηλ. Ἡ δέ χρονικὴ διαστασὶα οὐ κυριεύει ἀλλὰ ἡ χωρική.)
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Re: Ἡσιόδου, Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους

Post by Wes Wood » April 21st, 2015, 9:10 pm

Ἡσιόδου, <<Ἀσπὶς Ἡρακλέους>>, στοιχ. δ'-η' wrote: ἥ ῥα γυναικῶν φῦλον ἐκαίνυτο θηλυτεράων
εἴδεΐ τε μεγέθει τε: νόον γε μὲν οὔ τις ἔριζε

τάων, ἃς θνηταὶ θνητοῖς τέκον εὐνηθεῖσαι. 

τῆς καὶ ἀπὸ κρῆθεν βλεφάρων τ᾽ ἄπο κυανεάων 

τοῖον ἄηθ᾽ οἶόν τε πολυχρύσου Ἀφροδίτης.
She easily exceeded the femininity of the women of the world
in both sex appeal and height: and no one can match her mind
at least not of women born to mortals
...
...

I hope you don't mind my taking up the versification and translation where you left off. I would do the hints, but I can't. This is difficult enough for me to try to read. This is my translation of the first three of these verses. I wouldn't hate some hints for the last two verses or for my renderings of the first three if needed... ;)
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