It appears that when ἴδιος follows κατά in the N.T. (such as κατ’ ἰδίαν) it is usually in the feminine form. I was wondering why that might be.
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Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
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Re: Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
In other words, it's in the feminine form because that's the idiom ...David Lim wrote:κατ ιδιαν [χωραν] (idiom) = privately
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Re: Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
I know that in English there are reasons for certain idioms and others ... well not so much.Jonathan Robie wrote:In other words, it's in the feminine form because that's the idiom ...David Lim wrote:κατ ιδιαν [χωραν] (idiom) = privately
A friend of mine has an interesting theory as to why it is feminine. It makes sense to me, but I have no idea if it is correct. He wrote to me:
Possibly because the implied word (ψυχή) is feminine. In other words, the word “self” has been left out of the context and needs to be supplied by the reader. The noun ψυχή is feminine and refers to oneself, so ἰδίαν is also given in the feminine form.
That's better than anything that I could come up with! LOL
Any thots?
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Re: Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
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Re: Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
Thanks.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
I find things like this interesting. If there is no reason other than "that's the way this idiom works" then I can certainly live with that. But if there is a reason such as an implied feminine noun that ἰδίαν is referring to, then my curiosity wants to know.
Bob Nyberg
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http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=bhx ... J&pg=PA157 confirms my guess, and might be useful concerning other ellipses too.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
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Re: Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
It's interesting speculation but it does not actually confirm anything because he cites no evidence of the longer phrase.David Lim wrote:http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=bhx ... J&pg=PA157 confirms my guess, and might be useful concerning other ellipses too.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
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Re: Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
Yes it didn't provide proof, but perhaps he was relying on "similar" phrases like "εις την ιδιαν χωραν" to infer the ellipsis?Stephen Carlson wrote:It's interesting speculation but it does not actually confirm anything because he cites no evidence of the longer phrase.David Lim wrote:http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=bhx ... J&pg=PA157 confirms my guess, and might be useful concerning other ellipses too.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
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