Rom 2.5

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Rom 2.5

Postby Alan Patterson » June 26th, 2013, 6:46 am

κατα δε την σκληροτητα σου και αμετανοητον καρδιαν θησαυριζεις σεαυτω οργην εν ημερα οργης και αποκαλυψεως δικαιοκρισιας του θεου

With 3 nouns joined by 1 και, would anyone object to the following understanding of the three Greek nouns here as:

... the wrathfully manifested righteous judgment of God. (this is proposed by Zane Hodges, nothing original with me)
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Re: Rom 2.5

Postby Scott Lawson » June 26th, 2013, 1:04 pm

Alan Patterson wrote:With 3 nouns joined by 1 και, would anyone object to the following understanding of the three Greek nouns here as:


Alan, it seems to me that ὁργῆς καὶ ἁποκαλύψεως stands as one grammatical unit that adjectivally qualifies ἠμέρᾳ.
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Re: Rom 2.5

Postby David Lim » June 27th, 2013, 12:43 am

Scott Lawson wrote:
Alan Patterson wrote:With 3 nouns joined by 1 και, would anyone object to the following understanding of the three Greek nouns here as:


Alan, it seems to me that ὁργῆς καὶ ἁποκαλύψεως stands as one grammatical unit that adjectivally qualifies ἠμέρᾳ.

Yes, and I also take "δικαιοκρισιας του θεου" to modify "αποκαλυψεως". So it is not at all three nouns joined by one "και", but just "you lay up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of [the] righteous judgement of God".
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Re: Rom 2.5

Postby Stephen Carlson » June 27th, 2013, 9:09 am

Yes, I too don't quite understand how the syntactic structure of the Greek corresponds to the proposed English translation. It's also not clear to me what the supposed benefit of the proposed translation over the usual understanding of the text.
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Re: Rom 2.5

Postby Alan Patterson » June 27th, 2013, 11:38 am

Well, I too was a bit concerned with this understanding by Hodges, but I felt compelled to give it a lot of credence since he taught Greek at Dallas Seminary for 20 or 30 years!!

He does believe that this verse is NOT referring to a final day of judgment, but an ongoing display of God's wrath as Rm 1.18 kicks off with The wrath of God is being revealed against. This may influence his understanding of these nouns.

Thank you for your responses
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