Alan Patterson wrote:I am wondering why most translators seem to choose the meaning "hasten on" (or some equivalent) for σπευδοντας.
2 Peter 3:12 wrote:προσδοκῶντας καὶ σπεύδοντας τὴν παρουσίαν τῆς τοῦ θεοῦ ἡμέρας
I think that statements like this are less than helpful. They are one of the good reasons for learning more Greek! It is really a strange thing for a translation from the Greek to say that the meaning of the Greek is "presence", but they translated it as "coming".ASV note wrote:  Gr presence
Alan Patterson wrote:Does anyone have an objection to "being eager for" or "being zealous of" for σπευδοντας? To me, these definitions seem to align better with προσδοκωντας. While waiting for X, one should be eager for it, or be zealous of it. So, σπευδοντας further modifies προσδοκωντας.
Brett wrote:Alan, translate these two words, προσδοκῶντας καὶ σπεύδοντας, as "eagerly waiting for." I read that in a grammar book or commentary quite some time ago. Is this a Hendiadys?
It's a while since I looked at the intertestamental period literature, but in my general opinion, the Jewish apocalyptic movement (one of the many precursors to Christiantiy) found its fulfilment in Christianity with the realisation that the evil sinners that they wanted to see destroyed were capable of repentence and salvation according to the Gospel message. And the theopolitical aims were given new meaning in the kingdom of God / the heavens that Jesus spoke about. Perhaps taking the earlier pre-Christian thoughts and putting them behind the authour of 2 Peter's pen misses an essential change in thinking between Jewish apocalyptic and early Christianity. Compassion and love together with the apocalyptic view of the world produces a different feeling towards the end of the world.Wes Wood wrote:The net bible has a note saying that "hastening" is the prevalent meaning found in Jewish apocalyptic literature. I don't know if this is true or not.
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