I'm not sure whether the verb ζήσασα in relation to προβεβηκυῖα implies "but no longer" apart from the rest of the context. As I read this modified sentence (not the original), she is now well along in years, she has lived with her husband until she was 84, and ζήσασα refers to the time of living with her husband until she was old, without implying a time in which she no longer does live with her husband. As I read it, if there is a time after which she no longer lives with her husband, it is not a time that ζήσασα refers to here. But I could be wrong - I'm trying to study tense with respect to the participle more systematically now than I have in the past, but I have a lot to learn.Thomas Dolhanty wrote:I have a further question about your adjustment to the text: must the participle in this context be aorist? Your translation says "having lived with her husband ..." meaning that he is now off the scene. I agree with that translation because I think the aorist participle expects that.Jonathan Robie wrote:αὕτη προβεβηκυῖα ἐν ἡμέραις πολλαῖς, ζήσασα μετὰ ἀνδρὸς ἀπὸ τῆς παρθενίας αὐτῆς ἕως ἐτῶν ὀγδοήκοντα τεσσάρων
I haven't changed the verb form, but I suspect this now means "She was well along in years, having lived with her husband from her virginity until she was 84". Did I get that right? In both English and Greek, the two sentences use the same verb form.
If it were present tense, it would describe a time simultaneous with προβεβηκυῖα, but it should describe the time from her youth leading up to her current old age. Compare to 1 Timothy 5:5-6 ἡ δὲ σπαταλῶσα ζῶσα τέθνηκεν, where ζῶσα portrays her as living at the same time that she has died, not at a time previous to her death. 1 Timothy 5:5-6 does not say that she has been living all along.Thomas Dolhanty wrote:My question is (like Jacob's question at the start), how would I change this sentence to indicate she and her husband have been living together (i.e. are still living together) since 'her virginity' and she is now 84 years old? Would a simple replacement of ζήσασα with the present tense participle accomplish that? (Of course this is a different sentence than Jacob's. His sentence is constrained by the 'seven years' and 'she was a widow'.)
Let me simplify one the original sentence a little further:
I think that now says "she was well along in years, having lived until she was 84 years old". It does not imply that she is no longer living.αὕτη προβεβηκυῖα ἐν ἡμέραις πολλαῖς, ζήσασα ἕως ἐτῶν ὀγδοήκοντα τεσσάρων