I do not know if this has been addressed previously, but I could not find it with a search. The text of Romans 10:10:
καρδίᾳ γὰρ πιστεύεται εἰς δικαιοσύνην, στόματι δὲ ὁμολογεῖται εἰς σωτηρίαν.
My question involves the two passive verbs pisteuetai and homologetai. Does anyone have any idea why they are passive and how would one identify the subject of each verb? It seems that there would have been quite a few ways to say this that would make the subject obvious, as in the previous verse.
Shedd has suggested that this is passive for the sake of "abstract universality".
Does anyone have some definitive view on this?
Passive verbs in Romans 10:10
Forum rules
Please quote the Greek text you are discussing directly in your post if it is reasonably short - do not ask people to look it up. This is not a beginner's forum, competence in Greek is assumed.
Please quote the Greek text you are discussing directly in your post if it is reasonably short - do not ask people to look it up. This is not a beginner's forum, competence in Greek is assumed.
-
- Posts: 19
- Joined: January 3rd, 2014, 1:58 pm
- Contact:
Passive verbs in Romans 10:10
Ron Snider
Pastor-teacher,
Makarios Bible Church of Sarasota
Pastor-teacher,
Makarios Bible Church of Sarasota
Re: Passive verbs in Romans 10:10
Well, they're middle, rather than passive. For them to be passive, you need an agent that could be expressed in a ὑπό phrase. Verbs that refer to speech acts (confession) and verbs that refer to mental activity (believing) commonly appear in the middle voice, as is the case here. Now, these two verbs also have active forms that can express the very same meaning and that's where things get more complicated. The fact that these two verbs appear in the middle rather than the active is very much likely a result of the fact that the their subjects don't refer to anyone in particular. So Shedd isn't wrong on that point. "Abstract universality" is another way of saying that, practically speaking. Another big influence here is likely the orientation Paul chooses here to contextualize the verbs in relationship to the subject's physical body: καρδίᾳ and στόματι as bare datives.
Mike Aubrey, Linguist
SIL International
Koine-Greek.com
SIL International
Koine-Greek.com
-
- Posts: 2159
- Joined: May 6th, 2011, 1:48 pm
Re: Passive verbs in Romans 10:10
In other words, the subject is not expressed for the same reason we sometimes use "they" in English, as in "You know what they say..." It's considered a generic or universal reference. The middle expresses a certain self-affectedness for the subject, something which we usually imply from context in English (which means it's best to translate with the English active voice and let context do the rest).
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Re: Passive verbs in Romans 10:10
I (thought I had) posted a response to this question yesterday afternoon; evidently it vanished. I was understanding it exactly as Barry suggests: the equivalent of an impersonal construction, much like a bilingual sign I've sometimes seen:Barry Hofstetter wrote:In other words, the subject is not expressed for the same reason we sometimes use "they" in English, as in "You know what they say..." It's considered a generic or universal reference. The middle expresses a certain self-affectedness for the subject, something which we usually imply from context in English (which means it's best to translate with the English active voice and let context do the rest).
Comparable is the celebrated opening of Vergil's account of the descent into the underworld in Aeneid 6:Aquí se habla español; Spanish spoken here.
While students will regularly attempt to English that as "it is gone into an ancient forest ... ", it is actually an impersonal construction, something like "Their passage leads ..." or "They pass ..." , French "on va ..."I would certainly agree with Mike that it's middle rather than passive.Itur in antiquam silvam ....
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
-
- Posts: 415
- Joined: June 4th, 2011, 6:19 pm
- Location: New Mexico
- Contact:
Re: Passive verbs in Romans 10:10
I've been assuming that they were both middle, with a generic "he/someone" given by the verb ending, and middle because "he" is intimately involved in the believing and confessing. "someone believes . . .someone confesses . . "ronsnider1 wrote:I do not know if this has been addressed previously, but I could not find it with a search. The text of Romans 10:10:
καρδίᾳ γὰρ πιστεύεται εἰς δικαιοσύνην, στόματι δὲ ὁμολογεῖται εἰς σωτηρίαν.
My question involves the two passive verbs pisteuetai and homologetai. Does anyone have any idea why they are passive and how would one identify the subject of each verb? It seems that there would have been quite a few ways to say this that would make the subject obvious, as in the previous verse.
Shedd has suggested that this is passive for the sake of "abstract universality".
Does anyone have some definitive view on this?
However, I've just noticed that the KJV translates the στόματι δὲ ὁμολογεῖται as "with the heart confession is made"