In this answer on another forum it is proposed that the genitive be understood as both subjective and objective since it is both the teaching that Jesus taught and the teaching about Jesus are essential:
CSB 2 John 1:9 Anyone who does not remain in Christ's teaching but goes beyond it does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Both? If I understand correctly, the original post asks if it can mean both the things that Christ taught and the things that were taught about Christ.
The teachings that belong to Christ (Barry's possessive genitive)
Does that accurately summarize the possibilities we are considering?
Wallace wants it to be the case, but it's impossible unless you make it mean something it doesn't mean. The subjective/objective distinction is predicated on mapping transitive clause syntax onto a noun phrase
The army destroyed the city.
The army's destruction of the city.
Something cannot be a subject and the object at the same time.
Mike Aubrey, Linguist
SIL International
Koine-Greek.com
I think this is one of those times where each interpretation makes good theological sense, but these are two different interpretations of the same sentence, with different grammatical roles.
Wallace wants it to be the case, but it's impossible unless you make it mean something it doesn't mean. The subjective/objective distinction is predicated on mapping transitive clause syntax onto a noun phrase
The army destroyed the city.
The army's destruction of the city.
Something cannot be a subject and the object at the same time.
It appears they suggest that there exists a "plenary genitive" that is both. Is this chart controversial/wrong or am I missing some naunce?
Bill,
What you are missing is that the syntax of μὴ μένων ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ Χριστοῦ is not in need of clarification. Barry already told you. It's possessive or something like possessive. The teaching associated with Christ. No need to transform τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ Χριστοῦ into a transitive clause.
Last edited by Stirling Bartholomew on January 22nd, 2019, 10:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sorry, I meant nuance in the description of the genitive in the pdf. So then the "plenary genitive" is just plain myth and the pdf is wrong? I was fine with the explanation but when I saw that I figured I'd better run it by y'all. I don't like believing something based on a dubious source.
Bill Ross wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2019, 10:46 pm
Sorry, I meant nuance in the description of the genitive in the pdf. So then the "plenary genitive" is just plain myth and the pdf is wrong? I was fine with the explanation but when I saw that I figured I'd better run it by y'all. I don't like believing something based on a dubious source.
Quite. The "plenary genitive" appears to be the "genitive of I can't make up my mind what kind of genitive this is..."
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.