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Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the Pre

Postby cwconrad » February 12th, 2013, 2:51 pm

This book has been mentioned by Stephen Carlson in the course of at least one discussion of ἐπί in Koine Greek. There is now a nice review of it by David Schaps: http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2013/2013-02-19.html The review is itself enlightening and should prove so to any serious member of this forum. It is evidently a very meticulously executed diachronic study of the Greek prepositions from Mycenean to Modern Greek. Particularly fascinating is the indication that local meanings early associated with particular prepositions have faded while new prepositions or combinations of prepositions have taken their place to yield local meanings. I think there's much for students of Koine to learn from this. Too bad it's so expensive.
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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby MAubrey » February 12th, 2013, 3:20 pm

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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby cwconrad » February 12th, 2013, 6:25 pm

MAubrey wrote:You didn't like my own review, Carl?


Sorry, Mike. I don't know how I missed that. It's good to have several reviews; I'm glad you have a PDF of it accessible.
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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby Stephen Carlson » February 13th, 2013, 7:58 am

Mike, have you had a chance to go over the back-and-forth between Luraghi and Bortone about his book? Oy-veh!
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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby cwconrad » February 13th, 2013, 1:30 pm

Stephen Carlson wrote:Mike, have you had a chance to go over the back-and-forth between Luraghi and Bortone about his book? Oy-veh!


Stephen, could you reference this back-and-forth? I couldn't find anything in a quick web search. After carefully reading through Mike's reviews of the two books on prepositions, I'm getting "curiouser and curiouser" (I realize that's not quite the way Alice was using that locution) about both these books.
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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby Stephen Carlson » February 13th, 2013, 2:12 pm

cwconrad wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote:Mike, have you had a chance to go over the back-and-forth between Luraghi and Bortone about his book? Oy-veh!


Stephen, could you reference this back-and-forth? I couldn't find anything in a quick web search. After carefully reading through Mike's reviews of the two books on prepositions, I'm getting "curiouser and curiouser" (I realize that's not quite the way Alice was using that locution) about both these books.


The back-and-forth is:

Silvia Luraghi, "Review of Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions: From Antiquity to the Present," Journal of Greek Linguistics 11 (2011): 109–116.

Pietro Bortone, "Response to the Review by Silvia Luraghi of Greek Prepositions: From Antiquity to the Present," Journal of Greek Linguistics 12 (2012): 189–197.

Silvia Luraghi, "Reply to Pietro Bortone," Journal of Greek Linguistics 12 (2012): 198–201
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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby MAubrey » February 13th, 2013, 2:15 pm

cwconrad wrote:Sorry, Mike. I don't know how I missed that. It's good to have several reviews; I'm glad you have a PDF of it accessible.

I was just teasing.
Stephen Carlson wrote:Mike, have you had a chance to go over the back-and-forth between Luraghi and Bortone about his book? Oy-veh!

I have and I've been wanting to blog about it as a follow up to my review, but for the time being other writing projects are taking precedent. I need to have my thesis completely drafted in the next four weeks.
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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby Bryant J. Williams III » February 13th, 2013, 8:50 pm

Dear Carl, MIke, Steve, et al,

The list of reviews for Liraghi and Bortone are as follows:

1) http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2013/2013-02-19.html. as already mentioned.

2) http://academia.edu/816074/A_Review_of_ ... epositions

The above link is to a comparison in pdf. (see attached) to Luraghi (2003) and Bortone (2012).

Michael Aubrey at www.evepheso.wordpress.com:

Introduction:
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 ... positions/.

Part II:
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 ... s-part-ii/.

Part III:
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2011/08/0 ... -part-iii/.

Furthermore, there are two new reviews from Denver Journal: Jan 4, 2013, 16:2013.

http://www.denverseminary.edu/article/p ... testament/, by Craig L. Blomberg

http://www.denverseminary.edu/article/s ... testament/, by David Matthewson.

Both of these reviews are of a new book:

Murray J. Harris, Prepositions and Theology in the Greek New Testament (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2012). $42.99. 293 pp. ISBN 9-7803-10-493921

Harris wrote the appendix for the Greek Prepositions in Colin Brown’s magisterial three-volume New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology.

It appears that a number of books have, finally, taken into account the role of the Greek preposition in the Greek NT.
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Re: Pietro Bortone, Greek Prepositions From Antiquity to the

Postby MAubrey » February 13th, 2013, 9:15 pm

BryantIII wrote:2) http://academia.edu/816074/A_Review_of_ ... epositions
The above link is to a comparison in pdf. (see attached) to Luraghi (2003) and Bortone (2012).

Michael Aubrey at http://www.evepheso.wordpress.com:
Introduction:
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 ... positions/.
Part II:
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 ... s-part-ii/.
Part III:
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2011/08/0 ... -part-iii/.


The Academia.edu link is the same review as the on my blog, just re-formatted and updated. The content and conclusions are essentially identical.
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