I thought I should move this conversation out of the “Beginner’s” forum to a more appropriate place. If this is not the best place perhaps, Jonathan, you could move it to the right forum for us.
Stephen,Stephen Hughes wrote:ὁ πρῶτος Βλοῦνως ἱστιοδρομῶν παραπλεῖ, was what I was suggesting for your heading.
Sorry for being so thick! I forgot all about the header in English, which I should have changed at the start. I couldn’t figure out what your initial comments about πρῶτος κτλ were referring to, but it actually struck me after I did my last post and was off doing something else.
Stephen Hughes wrote:If you were considering using διαπλεῖν, I don't think it is the best choice because παρα- is to δια-, as ἐκ- is to ἀπο- or εἰς- is to προσ-, so δια- would be out of place in a limited context photograph.
Very helpful overview.
ὅς διερμηνευόμενος // ἥ διερμηνευομένη // ὅ διερμηνευόμενον – all the trouble a missing sigma can get you into! It’s one of my perennial mistakes with the relative pronoun since the single omicron looks so much like the masculine article. Thank you for the sharp eye.Stephen Hughes wrote:Don't you feel this phrasing is somewhat trans-gender?Thomas Dolhanty wrote:ὅ διερμηνευόμενος
Yes! Only by continuing to find the right word(s) to convey subtle differences will one get to “feel” the language and its contours. Thank you for all your challenges / corrections to this end.Stephen Hughes wrote:Just being able to make th choice is a great thing.Thomas Dolhanty wrote:χρόνους ἱκανούς / πολὺν χρόνον / χρόνον οὐκ ὀλίγον – good time duration alternatives – although I find some of the other idioms like εἰς ἔτη πολλά more interesting. I think of a term like χρόνον οὐκ ὀλίγον as describing something like stopping over for a few weeks / months as in Acts 14. I know the range of these terms includes longer periods also, though.
ἁλιάετος, ὁ - the sea-eagle, osprey // I’m not sure this would be a better choice than ἀετός as a metaphor for swiftness – even for a sailboat.
Actually “contestants” – which I suppose could be called challengers. In a race of say 10 boats, the typical English would be 'competitors' or 'contestants' or even 'entrants'. 'Challengers' would work too in English, although my sense of προκαλέω (I need to see some more context) was more a ‘calling out’ of another as in a challenge to a duel or a war or a debate - high noon kind of challenge.Stephen Hughes wrote:"τοὺς δοκιμάζοντας" seemed to be that you were wanting to say "challengers".Thomas Dolhanty wrote:And while I'm at it, and from the same source, I think I can see more of a case for προκαλέω as a sailboat race. It is certainly used for other than mortal combat engagements - as in Plat. Theaet. 183d which refers to a challenge to debate.
I am part of the generation of freshmen which, even after all these decades, still associate “flotsam” and “jetsam” with the unforgettable (sigh) line by ee cummings:Stephen Hughes wrote:Rather than "fulsome", I've been reading about the "jetsam" (ἐκβολή) washing up near your Halifax.Thomas Dolhanty wrote:I am looking forward to a fulsome observation from you ἐν Ἑλληνικῇ on ὁ Βλοῦνως in full sail.
“flotsam and jetsam
are gentlemen poeds”
εγένετο ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις τοῦ πατρὸς τοῦ πατρὸς μου ἐναυάγησεν ὁ Τιτανικὸς ἐν τῷ Βορείῳ Ἀτλαντικῷ Ωκεανῷ καὶ ὁ Ἁλιφάξ ἦν ἡ πόλις ἡ ἐγγίζουσα τῷ κακῷ πράγματι· ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις τοῦ πατρός μου, μετὰ ταῦτα οἱ κατοικοῦντες ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἐπελάθοντό, οἱ δὲ ἄνθρωποι Νέας Σκωτίας ἔτι ὡμίλουν πρὸς ἀλλήλους περὶ εἰκείνου τοῦ ναυαγῆσαι τοῦ μεγάλου· ἡ μνήμη ἡ ἐμή κατὰ τὰ ῥήματα ταῦτα ἀπὸ βρέφους εἰστίν ὡς ἡ μνήμη ἐκ παιδός τοῦ Δηλαν Θωμάς:
- “One Christmas was so much like another, in those years around the sea-town corner now and out of all sound except the distant speaking of the voices I sometimes hear a moment before sleep, that I can never remember whether it snowed for six days and six nights when I was twelve or whether it snowed for twelve days and twelve nights when I was six.” Dylan Thomas, “A Child’s Christmas in Whales”