1 Tim 5:17 διπλῆς τιμῆς

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1 Tim 5:17 διπλῆς τιμῆς

Post by Jonathan Robie » July 10th, 2018, 4:07 pm

1 Tim 5:17 wrote:Οἱ καλῶς προεστῶτες πρεσβύτεροι Οἱ καλῶς προεστῶτες πρεσβύτεροι διπλῆς τιμῆς ἀξιούσθωσαν, μάλιστα οἱ κοπιῶντες ἐν λόγῳ καὶ διδασκαλίᾳ· ἀξιούσθωσαν, μάλιστα οἱ κοπιῶντες ἐν λόγῳ καὶ διδασκαλίᾳ·
In context, τιμή seems to imply financial support as part of honoring them, especially when the earlier part about widows is taken into consideration.

The connection between honor and finances is also clear in Mark 7:9-13 (and some other passages):
Mark 7:9-13 wrote:Καὶ ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς· Καλῶς ἀθετεῖτε τὴν ἐντολὴν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἵνα τὴν παράδοσιν ὑμῶν τηρήσητε· Μωϋσῆς γὰρ εἶπεν· Τίμα τὸν πατέρα σου καὶ τὴν μητέρα σου, καί· Ὁ κακολογῶν πατέρα ἢ μητέρα θανάτῳ τελευτάτω· ὑμεῖς δὲ λέγετε· Ἐὰν εἴπῃ ἄνθρωπος τῷ πατρὶ ἢ τῇ μητρί· Κορβᾶν, ὅ ἐστιν Δῶρον, ὃ ἐὰν ἐξ ἐμοῦ ὠφεληθῇς, οὐκέτι ἀφίετε αὐτὸν οὐδὲν ποιῆσαι τῷ πατρὶ ἢ τῇ μητρί, ἀκυροῦντες τὸν λόγον τοῦ θεοῦ τῇ παραδόσει ὑμῶν ᾗ παρεδώκατε· καὶ παρόμοια τοιαῦτα πολλὰ ποιεῖτε.
In Plato's Protagorus (314) it seems to refer to the price of a lesson in this lovely quote (which is well worth reading more than once!):
Protagorus (314) wrote:μαθήματα δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν ἄλλῳ ἀγγείῳ ἀπενεγκεῖν, ἀλλʼ ἀνάγκη καταθέντα τὴν τιμὴν τὸ μάθημα ἐν αὐτῇ τῇ ψυχῇ λαβόντα καὶ μαθόντα ἀπιέναι ἢ βεβλαμμένον ἢ ὠφελημένον.
Perhaps that's a concept related to our 'honorarium'? In the Scaife Viewer, the Word List gives this interesting definition:
τιμή that which is paid in token of worth
Which brings me to διπλῆς τιμῆς ... how should I understand that phrase? Are there any particularly good articles that I should look at? Or other quotes from the classical literature or other sources that are particularly helpful?
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Re: 1 Tim 5:17 διπλῆς τιμῆς

Post by timothy_p_mcmahon » July 10th, 2018, 6:55 pm

I've always taken it as both kinds of τιμη – honor and remuneration.
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Re: 1 Tim 5:17 διπλῆς τιμῆς

Post by Jonathan Robie » July 11th, 2018, 8:30 am

timothy_p_mcmahon wrote:
July 10th, 2018, 6:55 pm
I've always taken it as both kinds of τιμη – honor and remuneration.
As opposed to twice the remuneration?
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Re: 1 Tim 5:17 διπλῆς τιμῆς

Post by Barry Hofstetter » July 11th, 2018, 12:30 pm

Jonathan Robie wrote:
July 11th, 2018, 8:30 am
timothy_p_mcmahon wrote:
July 10th, 2018, 6:55 pm
I've always taken it as both kinds of τιμη – honor and remuneration.
As opposed to twice the remuneration?
I've always taken it in that sense, twice the remuneration, but Timothy's suggestion is intriguing.
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Re: 1 Tim 5:17 διπλῆς τιμῆς

Post by timothy_p_mcmahon » July 11th, 2018, 4:45 pm

Jonathan Robie wrote:
July 11th, 2018, 8:30 am
As opposed to twice the remuneration?
Yes.
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