Latin question for Greek word

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Philip Arend
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Latin question for Greek word

Post by Philip Arend » October 22nd, 2018, 2:55 am

I've been looking at usage for αρπἀζω but have run into some Origen quotes seemingly available only in Latin, which I don't understand. I'm wondering if someone could help me translate these verses? I used google translate, but....

raptores sunt mali, sunt et boni; et boni quidem illi, de quibus dicit Salvator quia “regnum coelorum diripiunt’.

...Est tamen aliquid et secundum spiritalem intelligentiam culpabiliter rapere, sicut illi laudabiliter, ‘rapiunt regna coelerum’.
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Barry Hofstetter
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Re: Latin question for Greek word

Post by Barry Hofstetter » October 22nd, 2018, 5:53 am

Philip Arend wrote:
October 22nd, 2018, 2:55 am
I've been looking at usage for αρπἀζω but have run into some Origen quotes seemingly available only in Latin, which I don't understand. I'm wondering if someone could help me translate these verses? I used google translate, but....

raptores sunt mali, sunt et boni; et boni quidem illi, de quibus dicit Salvator quia “regnum coelorum diripiunt’.

...Est tamen aliquid et secundum spiritalem intelligentiam culpabiliter rapere, sicut illi laudabiliter, ‘rapiunt regna coelerum’.
Welcome to B-Greek, Phillip. Feel free to tell us a bit about yourself in the "Introductions" subforum.

Never, ever use Google translate for Latin or ancient Greek. To say it normally makes hash out of it is an understatement.

"Plunderers are bad; they are also good; and good indeed are those concerning whom the Savior says 'they seize the kingdom of heaven.'"

"Nevertheless it is something else to seize culpably according to spiritual understanding, just as those who 'seize the kingdom of heaven' do so laudably."

I would be very surprised if Origen is not commenting on Matt 11:12, A diebus autem Iohannis Baptistae usque nunc regnum caelorum vim patitur et violenti rapiunt illud, ἀπὸ δὲ τῶν ἡμερῶν Ἰωάννου τοῦ βαπτιστοῦ ἕως ἄρτι ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν βιάζεται καὶ βιασταὶ ἁρπάζουσιν αὐτήν.
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