re: kratew

From: storch@storchsites.de
Date: Wed Jan 05 2000 - 18:53:13 EST


On 3 January 2000, Carsten Schmelzer asked about KTRATEW as used in Mark
3:21 (KRATHSAI in context): : Answered by Chuck Stevens

<<I am pondering about Mark 3,21. Especially the word "kratew" (krathsai)
it

is normally translated in a way that indicates, that Jesus? relatives tried
to violantely take him back home. (Some german translations are very
explicit in this point).>>

Could you cite the verse in a German translation that makes this explicit?

Yes: "und als seine Angehorigen es horten, gingen sie aus, um ihn zu
greifen ..."
(Elberfelder,1985)
"als seine Angehorigen das erfuhren, wollten sie ihn unbedingt mit nach
Hause nehmen..."
(Hoffnung fur Alle - very modern translation)

<<According to the STRONG?s Concordance this is a possible translation of
kratew, but I didn?t find any translation that translates this way.>>

Could you clarify how the Strong's entry supports something like, or some
portion of, "violently taking him back home with the intent [given full
understanding of that into which his ministry would ultimately evolve] of
holding him back from his ministry"? If not that full expansion of your
questions, which parts of it?

 (w. Kraft ausuben --> etw. fest halten, uber etw. Macht besitzen oder
gewinnen); Vb. (47)

 I.) halten
 1) Kraft haben, kraftig sein und daher: etw. beherrschen, sich einer Sache
oder Person bemachtigen; jmdn. oder etw. ergreifen (mit oder ohne
Gewaltanwendung), in Besitz nehmen. # 2Sa 6:6 Mt 12:11* ua. jmdn.
festnehmen, gefangennehmen, an d. Hand nehmen. # Ps 137:9
 # Mt 14:3 Mr 3:21 Ac 24:6 Re 20:2* ua.
 2) halten, festhalten, zuruckhalten, abhalten:
 2a) etw. oder jmdn. in d. Hand halten. # Re 2:1
 2b) jmdn. oder etw. (mit d. Hand) festhalten. # Ac 3:11
 2c) an etw. oder jmdn. (treu) festhalten, eng verbunden bleiben mit...;
etw. (getreulich) beachten. # Mr 9:10 Col 2:19 Heb 4:14* ua.
 2d) etw. oder jmdn. zuruckhalten, abgehalten werden.
 # Lu 24:16 Joh 20:23 Re 7:1* ua.

(STRONGs Number 2904, as quoted in the Online Bible (www.onlinebible.org).
Emphasis by me.

The most we can do towards deducing the family's motives given this very
sketchy description is speculate. I don't believe the text supports
"violently", "take him home" or "to hold him back from his ministry".

Thank you, that clarifies the matter.

Carsten

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