[b-greek] Re: Luke 1:35

From: J. Garnier (nomre2me@home.com)
Date: Mon Sep 04 2000 - 01:54:30 EDT


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&gt;At 10:18
04/09/00, "Rosangela Lira" &lt;</FONT><A href="mailto:lira@escelsa.com.br"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>lira@escelsa.com.br</FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>&gt; wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;&gt;Luke 1:35 says, "KAI TO
GENNWMENON hAGION KLHQHSETAI hUIOS QEOU". It seems<BR>&gt;&gt;the word
GENNWMENON doesn't appear in all the manuscripts.<BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&gt;On 04 Sep
2000, "Maurice A. O'Sullivan" &lt;<A
href="mailto:mauros@iol.ie>responded">mauros@iol.ie&gt;responded</A>:</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&gt;Moule's
view [ Moule, C.F.D. An Idiom Book of N.T Greek. Cambridge: C.U.P,
<BR>&gt;1984.] at p.107 this is " a distinctly irregular usage "&nbsp; As
against this <BR>&gt;treatment of hAGION as a substantative, the commnetators
prefer the <BR>&gt;predicate use, either in a verbless clause " will be holy" "
will be called <BR>&gt;Son of God " or as the predicate of&nbsp;
KLHQHSETAI<BR>&gt;i.e as you quote:<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>My&nbsp;&nbsp;questions: isn't&nbsp;&nbsp;TO GENNWMENON hAGION&nbsp; a
nominative phrase in which GENNWMENON is a further development of the idea TO
hAG</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><FONT face=Arial size=2>ION?&nbsp; Is there precedent for breaking the
phrase apart, and inserting TO hAGION in the predicate, as Moule
suggests?</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;The Modern King James Version<BR>&gt;puts it: "Therefore also that Holy
Being who shall be born of thee shall be<BR>&gt;called the Son of God"; the New
King James Version renders it:<BR>&gt;"Therefore,<BR>&gt;also, that Holy One who
is to be born will be called the Son of God";<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is there extra-biblical documentation enabling the
neuter to be rendered <U>being</U> or <U>one</U>?&nbsp; I understand that
<U>thing</U> (as in KJV) is distasteful to our ears, but if that is what it
says, are we not obligated to translate accordingly?</FONT></DIV>
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