[b-greek] Fwd: RE: "hOUTOS/hAUTH Word Order" and "Questions about questio...

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Clay!
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 6/24/01 10:48:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<BR>cc.constantine@worldnet.att.net writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Looking again at Hebrews:
<BR>
<BR>What constitutes a valid data sample from the book of Hebrews? If you are
<BR>going to talk about the constituent order in the language used by the AUTHOR
<BR>of Hebrews you need to set aside the LXX quotes if they are verbatim from
<BR>the LXX. Verbatim quotes from the LXX are not the language of the AUTHOR of
<BR>Hebrews. (What is verbatim is a tricky problem due to text critical issues
<BR>but lets assume that we can distinguish between a direct quote and an
<BR>allusion.)
<BR>
<BR>So when we have a verbatim quote of the LXX in Hebrews we need to set that
<BR>data aside for independent analysis. Furthermore, when the verbatim quote
<BR>from the LXX slavishly follows the constituent order in the Hebrew text, &nbsp;it
<BR>does not represent a valid source of of data for discussions of NT Greek
<BR>constituent order. The word order of the verbatim LXX quotes in Hebrews may
<BR>be acceptable by Hellenistic Greek standards, &nbsp;but the word order isn't a
<BR>reflection of anything Greek, Hellenistic or otherwise, when it follows the
<BR>order of the Hebrew text.
<BR>
<BR>Mark my well respond that I have just "missed the point" of his argument but
<BR>I think not. I am simply rejecting his presuppositions at several levels. I
<BR>think that any theory that does not distinguish between Hellenistic Greek
<BR>constituent order patterns and OT Hebrew patterns isn't a theory that has
<BR>much utilitarian value.
<BR>
<BR>I hope I have caught the general drift of Cindy's remarks </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>Spot on Clayton, as they say in the UK.
<BR>
<BR>And I question a model that is testing for uneconomic syntactical patterns
<BR>that do not include the more complex sentences that have more than a distance
<BR>of five words between the subject and verb, such as 1:1.
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>and if so I agreewith her as always :-))))
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">That is so gratifying!!!
<BR>
<BR>And I probably speak for everyone when I say:
<BR>
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's scary too!
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Cindy Westfall
<BR>Assistant Professor
<BR>Colorado Christian University
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