[b-greek] Re: I John 1:8

From: Polycarp66@aol.com
Date: Fri Apr 19 2002 - 22:54:02 EDT


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 4/18/2002 1:44:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, msawilowsky@bryanisd.org writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am at the beginning of my studies of NT Greek and am currently working
<BR>through Mounce's "A Graded Reader of Biblical Greek."
<BR>I am stuck on one of his questions...
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<BR>I John 1:8 &nbsp;&nbsp;" EAN EIPWMEN hOTI &nbsp;hAMARTIAN OUK ECOMEN"
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<BR>Based on BAGD, 2, hAMAPTIA ... hAMAPTIAN ECEIN means "to possess a sinful
<BR>nature". &nbsp;If this is correct, how does it affect your exegesis? &nbsp;Had the
<BR>author intended here to refer to individual sinful acts, what verb would
<BR>he probably used?
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<BR>I'm not sure if anyone has answered this yet. &nbsp;If so, I missed it. &nbsp;
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<BR>I get the impression that you consider hAMARTIAN to be a verb whereas it actually is a noun. &nbsp;
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<BR>1 Jn 1.8
<BR>EAN EIPWMEN hOTI hAMATIAN OUK EXOMEN, hEAUTOUS PLANWMEN KAI hH ALHQEIA OUK ESTIN EN hHMIN.
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<BR>I find 4 verses in the NT (2 in the same discourse) with hAMARTIA in the accusative and a form of EXW as the verb governing it (in addition to this verse).
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<BR>Jn 9.41
<BR>EIPEN AUTOIS hO IHSOUS EI TUFLOI HTE, OUK AN EIXETE hAMARTIAN; NUN DE LEGETE hOTI BLEPOMEN, hH hAMARTIAN hUMWN MENEI.
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<BR>Jn 15. 22 &amp; 24
<BR>EI MH HLQON KAI ELALHSA AUTOIS, hAMARTIAN OUK EIXOSAN; NUN DE PROFASIN OUK EXOUSIN PERI THW hAMARTIAS AUTWN.
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<BR>EI TA ERGA MH EPOIHSA EN AUTOIS hA OUDEIS ALLOS EPOIHSEN, hAMARTIAN OUK EIXOSAN; NUN DE KAI hEWRAKASIN KAI MEMISHKASIN KAI EME KAI TON PATERA MOU.
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<BR>Jn 19.11
<BR>APEKRIQH [AUTWi] IHSOUS: OUK EIXES ECOUSIAN KAT' EMOU OUDEMIAN EI MH HN DEDOMENON SOI ANWQEN; DIA TOUTO hO PARADOUS ME SOI MEIZONA hAMARTIAN EXEI.
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<BR>One more verse which is different. &nbsp;Here it is spoken not of "having sin" but of "having &nbsp;a ransom" which is described as AFESIN hAMARTIWN.
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<BR>Col 1.14
<BR>EN hWi EXOMEN THN APOLUTRWSIN, THN AFESIN hAMARTIWN.
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<BR>With a form of EXW it indicates a condition or characteristic. &nbsp;BGAD has s.v. EXW
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<BR>e. of all conditions of body and soul . . . .
<BR>b. gener. of conditions, characteristics, capabilities, emotions, inner possession: AGAPHN E. have love (cf. Diod. S. 3, 58, 3 FILIAN EXEIN) J 5:42; 13:35; 15:13; 1J 4:16; 1 Cor 13:1ff; 2 Cor 2:4; Phil 2:2; 1 Pt 4:8. AGNWSIAN QEOU fail to know God 1 Cor 15:34. hAMARTIAN J 9:41; 15:22a. ASQENEIAN Hb 7:28. GNWSIN 1 Cor 8:1, 10. ELPIDA Ac 24:15; Ro 15:4; 2 Cor 3:12; 10:15; Eph 2:12; 1J 3:3. EPIQUMIAN Phil 1:23. EPIPOQIAN Ro 15:23b; ZHLON E. have zeal Ro 10:2. Have jealousy Js 3:14. QUMON Rv 12:12. LUPHN J 16:21f; 2 Cor 2:3; Phil 2:27; MNEIAN TINOS E. remember someone 1 Th 3:6. PARRHSIAAN Phlm 8; Hb 10:19; 1 J 2:28; 3:21; 4:17; 5:14. PEPOIQHSIN 2 Cor 3:4; Phil 3:4. PISTIN Mt 17:20; 21:21; Ac 14:9; Ro 14:22; 1 Cor 13:2; 1 Ti 1:19 al. PROPHTEIAN have the gift of prophecy 1 Cor 13:2. SOFIAN (X., Mem. 2, 3, 10) Rv 17:9. SUNEIDHSIN hAMARTIWN Hb 10:2. KALHN SUNEIDHSIN 13:18; AGAQHN S. 1 Ti 1:19; 1 Pt 3:16; aAPOSKOPON S. Ac 24:16; hUPOMONHN Rv 2:3. FOBON 1 Ti 5:20. XARAN Phlm 7. XARIN E. TINI be grateful to someone
 Lk 17:9; 1 Ti 1:12; 2 Ti 1:3; SIGH E. be silent Hs 9, 11, 5.
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<BR>The verses cited, however, do not simply refer to one's condition generally. &nbsp;In some cases they refer to specific acts - such as handing Jesus over for crucifiction. Regarding individual acts the general verb is (what else!) hAMARTANW. &nbsp;See 2 verses down at 1 Jn 1.10
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<BR>EAN EIPWMEN hOTI OUK hHMARTHKAMEN, YEUSTHN POIOUMEN AUTON KAI hO LOGOS AUTOU OUK ESTIN EN hHMIN.
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<BR>Does this perhaps seem rather parallel to 1.8? &nbsp;hEAUTOUS PLANWMEN . . . YEUSTHN POIOUMEN AUTON.
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<BR>gfsomsel</FONT>
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