On Mon 12 Jun 2000 (23:19:12), emory2002@hotmail.com wrote: > What would we call OINOS if it were squeezed on Monday and sipped on > Tuesday, before it had time to ferment to any significant alcoholic > level? Obviously, OINOS had to "start off" non-alcoholic. Dear Mark, The Temperance Movement have never forgiven Jesus for turning SO MUCH water into wine, after they had all "well drunk"! If you look at Pharaoh's butler's dream, and Joseph's interpretation of it, in the LXX, you will see that the butler actually squeezed the fresh grape juice into Pharaoh's cup. ... KAI TO POTHRION FARAW EN THi CEIRI MOU: KAI ELABON THN STAFULHN, KAI EXEFLIYA AUTHN EIS TO POTHRION, KAI EDWKA TO POTHRION EIS THN CEIRA FARAW. (Exodus 40:11 LXX). Unfortunately, it doesn't use any word for "juice". 8-( But it testifies to the use of freshly squeezed grape juice as a beverage. Better luck with Song 8:2 LXX. 8-) PARALHYOMAI SE, EISAXW SE EIS OIKON MHTROS MOU KAI EIS TAMEION THS SULLABOUSHS ME: POTIW SE APO *OINOU TOU MUREYIKOU* APO *NAMATOS hROWN MOU*. ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Ignoring "Syllabub" which in English is a mixture of cream, wine and sugar (another example of the "etymological fallacy"): here OINOS TOU MUREYIKOU could well be alcoholic spiced wine ("wine with myrrh"). I can't quite figure NAMATOS; is that from NAMOUS? My BAGD is only valid for the GNT, not the LXX. Anyway, it seems to mean juice of pomegranates (Hebrew, Me`a:SiYS RiMoNiY). It's better to remove the pips before eating your pomegranate! So NAMOUS, NAMATOS is just juice; OINOS, OINOU is fermented wine? IMHO that is. ERRWSQE Ben -- Revd Ben Crick, BA CF 232 Canterbury Road, Birchington, Kent, CT7 9TD (UK) http://www.cnetwork.co.uk/crick.htm --- B-Greek home page: http://sunsite.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu