On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:59:54 GMT "Mark Wilson" writes: > > > Eph 4:9 > > TO DE ANEBH TI ESTIN EI MH hOTI KAI KATEBH EIS TO KATWTERA MERH THS > GHS > > > Once again in my Grammar book (Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics by > Daniel B. > Wallace) I have come across something that makes little to no sense > to me. > > In a footnote concerning this verse, he sites W. Hall Harris’ > article in > BSac where Harris lists as an option for this verse a Genitive of > Apposition, and could indicate that the descent occurred AFTER the > ascent. > > How can a Genitive of Apposition denote a SUBSEQUENT descent in this > verse? > > “what does this mean except that subsequently he also descended into > the > lower parts of the earth” > > Would this translation be acceptable? > > The final statement Dr. Wallace makes in this footnote has really > confused > me. He feels that if this idea of AFTER is correct (which, he says, > “has > much to commend it”), then that would mean the descent is a > reference to the > Spirit’s descent on the day of Pentecost. > > Is not the subject of Eph. 4:9 Christ? How could the descent of the > Spirit > equate to a descent of Christ? I think that the KAI KATEBH (he ALSO > descended) would mean that the same one who ascended ALSO descended. > > I have got to believe that this final statement of Wallace’s > probably > crosses over into a theological question. I apologize in advance if > I have > inadvertently asked a theological question here. In case he was > supporting > this contention based somehow on the grammar of this verse, I > thought I > better ask. Please look at Ps. 62:10 in LXX: AUTOI DE EIS MATHN EZHTHSAN THN PSUCHN MOU, EISELEUSONTAI EIS TA KATWTATA THS GHS To me it look like Paul speak about the same place, namely, Hades. Regards, Dmitriy Reznik ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu