On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:22:25 -0400 "Carl W. Conrad" writes: > At 7:04 AM -0700 7/21/00, dixonps@juno.com wrote: > >On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:16:22 GMT "B.J. Williamson" > > writes: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Eph 5:18, EN PNEUMATI > >> > >> >Am re-thinking whether the anarthrous construction here, coupled > >> with > >> >the contextual PERIPATEITE EN AGAPNi (5:2), hWS TEKNA QWTOS > >> >PERIPATEITE (5:8) and PERIPATEITE ... hWS SOFOI (5:15), > shouldn't > >> >be taken as an exhortation to be continually filled with > spiritual > >> >matters, > >> >such as love, holiness, and wisdom. > >> > > >> >Thoughts? > >> > > >> >Paul Dixon > >> > >> > >> Paul: > >> > >> I think the use of PLHROUSQE would preclude such an > understanding. > >> We are > >> admonished to "demonstrate" these qualities, but they are > produced > >> by the > >> Spirit. > >> > >> For example, in Romans 5:5, the love of God is poured out DIA > >> PNEUMATOS > >> hAGIOU. > >> > >> I think one could argue for a contrast (or parallel) within this > >> verse: > >> > >> KAI MH MEQUSKESQE OINWi EN hWi ESTIN ASWTIA, > >> ALLA PLHROUSQE EN PNEUMATI > >> > >> Being filled with (controlled by) OINOS produces ASWTIA > >> Being filled with (controlled by) the PNEUMA produces love, > >> holines... > > > >But, surely the anarthrous OINOS does not identify a > >particular wine. If not, then what is the argument for > >taking the anarthrous PNEUMATI as the Holy Spirit? > > Seems to me that PNEUMA appears occasionally without the article, > perhaps > with an adjective (hAGION) to refer to Holy Spirit. > > On the other hand, I suppose that as one may get pretty tipsy on any > truly > alcoholic wine, one can get pretty "high" by sniffing the air coming > out of > a pneumatic tire. But I hardly think that sniffing the air from a > pneumatic > tire is likely to lead to love, holiness, wisdom, or the like. > > When Paul speaks of TA PNEUMATIKA in 1 Cor 12-14, do you suppose he > is > talking about the fruits of sniffing gas? > > 1 Cor 12:1 PERI DE TWN PNEUMATIKWN, ADELFOI, OU QELW hUMAS AGNOEIN. > > 1 Cor 14:1 DIWKETE THN AGAPHN, ZHLOUTE DE TA PNEUMATIKA, MALLON DE > hINA > PROFHTEUHTE. Carl, taking EN PNEUMATI in Eph 5:18 indefinitely or qualitatively does not deny the source or efficient cause of such, particularly the promptings of the Holy Spirit. My only concern here is the likelihood of what the text says and means. It may be saying simply that we should be continually filled with spiritual matters, such as love, holiness and wisdom. This then would say nothing, as such, about the source, but our understanding of other Scripture would lead us to understand that it is the work of the Holy Spirit. But, are we justified in reading that into the translation here? Paul Dixon --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu