Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. OIDAMEN DE hOTI TOIS AGAPOSIN TON QEON PANTA SUNERGEI EIS AGAQON TOIS KATA PROQESIN KLHTOIS OUSIN My question involves the relationship between TOIS AGAPOSIN TON QEON and TOIS KATA PROQESIN KLHTOIS OUSIN Is it possible that TOIS KATA PROQESIN KLHTOIS OUSIN is not simply an identical restatement of TOIS AGAPOSIN TON QEON? Is it possible that TOIS AGAPOSIN TON QEON is a subset of TOIS KATA PROQESIN KLHTOIS OUSIN or that TOIS KATA PROQESIN KLHTOIS OUSIN describes an attribute not exclusive to TOIS AGAPOSIN TON QEON? Now I realize that this can quickly become a theological discussion, but my question is grammatical. Is there any significance to the location of these to phrases? It seems to me that the discussion has been about those he has been urging to suffer with Christ, those who would be joint heirs and receive joint glorification. I would identify them with TOIS AGAPOSIN TON QEON. He then reminds the readers of certainty of their future glorification by reminding them that they are of TOIS KATA PROQESIN KLHTOIS OUSIN, a statement about all children and heirs (note chain of 29-30). If it is true of all, then how much more so (or at least as much so) of TOIS AGAPOSIN TON QEON. If this is possible, the idea (note I did not say translation) of the verse might be: And we know that to those who love God all things work together for good, these are of those who are called according to plan. or And we know that to those who love God all things work together for good, who are called according to plan. I am trying to avoid the appositive in English. Thanks for your help. Rob Matlack 620 E. 5th St., Minneapolis, KS 67467 RMatlack@juno.com Hm: 785-392-2865 Church: 785-392-2089 "...that we may present every man mature in Christ Jesus." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu