You wrote: Can anyone tell me what does the grammar require or what does the grammar limit one to in intrepreting KATHRTISQAI in Heb. 11:3. We are not looking for your intrepretation of the word or verse or what you think the verb KATARTIZW means we are just interested in finding out about the grammar. Heb. 11:3 says, PISTEI VOOUMEN KATHRTISQAI TOUS AIWNAS hRHMATI QEOU, EIS TO MH EK FAINOMENWN TO BLEPOMENON GEGONENAI. The word KATHRTISQAI is a perfect pass. infinitive. This infinitive could be called a "complementary infinitive" because it completes the thought of the main verb VOOUMEN. The infinitive also introduces "indirect discourse" because it comes after a verb of perception or communication (e.g. knowing, speaking, believing, asking). In the English sentence, "He told me to eat the apple," the words "to eat" would be indirect discourse. This indirect discourse implies the direct discourse, "Eat the apple." In Heb. 11:3, the author tells us what we understand by faith. I would say the direct discourse (in English) would be something like "The worlds were prepared by the word of God." I hope that helps a little. Jonathan Boyd ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu