Clayton > > So we are talking on list now? Your previous response was private. > Sorry about that... intended to reply to list the first time, but my mail client just picked up your address. Your reply came back into my BGreek mailbox and so I replied to the list. Apologies. > A full noun phrase used to indicate a participant is a means of introducing > new participants or reintroducing old participants who have not been active > in the discourse for a significant span or where there are a number of > participants active and some confusion over person dexis is possible, for > example in a dialog. > Yes I'd agree that this is one of the things that the use of a full reference to a discourse participant does... but now we are talking about discourse topic/focus or thematization NOT cohesion as in your first post. I think concepts like Levinson's "point of departure" fit into a discussion of theme/topic. I think my main contention is the idea that participant cohesion is only achieved through anaphoric pronouns and zero anaphora (I dislike the use of this term for Greek, as there IS a reference to the participant in the morphological form unlike "said" in English--I prefer "implied reference") > I think it is quite possible that we are talking about discourse > coherence from slightly different perspectives Probably. Textual COHESION and discourse COHERENCE are not the same thing, though related. I know Cindy Westfall has discussed this point on the list before and a number of her articles deal with it well. Reed's article on cohesion in the Porter & Reed DA volume does the same. He uses Halliday and Hasan's idea of co-referential ties (participant references) creating IDENTITY CHAINS creating cohesion. > . Always good to hear from Roehampton. Not quite sure if this is the > same Roehampton that I am thinking of, you know Stephanie Black, > Cindy Westfall, Gustavo Martin, Stanley . . . The very same. I guess one of characteristics of this approach, from Stan from Halliday from Firth etc... is the focus upon formal features in our analysis (see Verbal Aspect, p. 7). I think your reading of different texts is very important and I hope to see the practice becoming more common in exegetical and l inguistic (especially discourse) studies of the New Testament. I appreciate your comments. Matt --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu