On Tue, 2001-11-06 at 17:08, c stirling bartholomew wrote: > This is a new thread, a branch from: > Re: foreground & background, boundary markers-Longacre'sModel > > I wrote: > > > It seems that if Subject(agent) encoding is > > considered in isolation from referential density, we can demonstrate that a > > subject(agent) in any given clause may NOT be Topically prominent in the > > episode. Again, the victim may be the most prominent participant in a given > > clause and in an entire episode. > > Lets take a look at the Crucifixion in John 19b-27. After quickly reading > through this I find Jesus as the subject+semantic-agent only in one > incident, Jn 19:26-27 where he speaks to his Mother and to "the disciple." > > However, Jesus has a high level of participant referential density in this > episode. I don't think that we would be tempted to conclude that Jesus' > topical prominence is low here because of the relative infrequency of his > appearing as the semantic agent. > Another good example of this is Luke 22:54-23:23. Jonathan M. Watt[1] points out the infrequency of the word (name) `Jesus' in the account. He mentions that the closest antecedent of the pronouns in Luke 22:63-64 is Peter and NOT Jesus. He also points out the disparity in frequency between the other gospel accounts and this one in Luke. The frequency of the use of Jesus' name per verse in the other accounts varies from .23 to .42. In the Lukan account it is .07. Jonathan's point is that the NAMELESSNESS of Jesus is there for its rhetorical effect. The effect being the sense of shame and disgrace. My point is that an author can't generate that type of effect without utilizing what Heimerdinger says. Also, FWIW, Jonathan introduces his case by citing several examples of how this worked in the OT. --- [1] "Pronouns of Shame and Disgrace in Luke 22.63-64" by Jonathan M. Watt in "Discourse Analysis and the New Testament, Approaches and Results" ed by Stanley E. Porter and Jeffrey T. Reed; Supplement Series 170. 1999, Sheffield Academic Press -- Mike Sangrey msangrey@BlueFeltHat.org Landisburg, Pa. "The first one last wins." "A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth." --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu