I'm a beginner and I'm having some trouble with Mark 8:12. My USB 4th Edition (Revised) has the Greek text: KAI ANASTENAXAS TWi PNEUMATI AUTOU LEGEI, TI hH GENEA hAUTH ZHTEI SHMEION; AMHN LEGW hUMIN, EI DOQHSETAI TH GENEA TAUTH SHMEIOV. which my RSV translates as: And he sighed deeply in spirit, and said, "Why does this generation seek for a sign? Truly, I say to you, no sign shall be given to this generation." My trouble is with the second sentence. I don't understand how they get their negation (no sign shall be given). The only way I could see how this might work is if there is a sarcastic tone to this sentence. "If a sign will be given to this generation..." with an implication of consequent surprise. There is also a theological problem here, which I hesistate to mention, but it does bear on the Greek translation. Jesus says that this generation will not get a sign, but he himself is about as big a sign as you could get from God. Could this also play into the overall tone of sarcasm? Thanks for the help, ERIK Erik Westwig Software Engineer Palisade Corporation westwig@palisade.com --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu