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RESULT: rec.gardens.ecosystems moderated passes 153:41
RESULT
moderated group rec.gardens.ecosystems passes 153:41
There were 153 YES votes and 41 NO votes, for a total of 194 valid
votes. There were 2 abstentions and 6 invalid ballots.
For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.
A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
rec.gardens.ecosystems Ecosystems and organic gardening. (Moderated)
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jun 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Bill Robinson <roseguy@flash.net>
Proponent: Ronald Zwaagstra <R.Zwaagstra@ppsw.rug.nl>
Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
RATIONALE: rec.gardens.ecosystems
Organic Gardening, the magazine, conducted a survey in 1995 showing that the
number of home gardeners just in the U.S. had grown to a total of 78
million. A little over one third of those home gardenrs used mostly organic
gardening techniques, a little over one third used mostly non-organic
techniques, and the remaining one third used mostly a combination of organic
and non-organic techniques. The trend is towards increased participation in
organic gardening especially with starting home gardeners. There is no
existing newsgroup clearly focused on organic gardening or organic
techniques.
Successful organic gardening is more demanding than non-organic gardening
because it requires a working knowledge of the ways the total natural
community inter-relates with the physical and chemical enviroment of the
home garden. Rec.gardens.ecosystems is being proposed as a newsgroup with an
extensive FAQ dealing with the many issues of organic gardening and the ways
these issues inter-relate with the ecosystems of the garden and the larger
community.
The resources are in place for: 1.) Rec.gardens.ecosystems to have its own
website; 2.) to have the on-topic articles archived and made available
through WWW; and 3.) to have the group FAQ available via WWW and FTP.
Rec.gardens.ecosystems would also employ a robot moderator backed by human
moderators to minimize problems with cross-posting and to help keep the
discussions focused. The proposed newsgroup has the potential to be an
important resource for many home gardeners.
CHARTER: rec.gardens.ecosystems
Reasonable expectations in terms of scope and content:
Rec.gardens.ecosystems is intended as a newsgroup for the discussion
of the ways nature works within the garden. Successful organic
gardening is more demanding than non-organic gardening because it
requires a working knowledge of the ways the total natural community
interrelates with the physical and chemical environment of the home
garden. This is the basic meaning of the term, ecosystems. The reason
for selecting the name, "rec.gardens.ecosystems" was to emphasize that
the focus of this newsgroup is on gardening in cooperation with
nature. Michael Pollan said, "... the garden is a middle ground
between nature and culture." That middle ground should be a place
friendly to both sides.
Organic gardening can be defined as gardening with environmentally
friendly materials and environmentally friendly cultural practices.
Those materials considered as "environmentally friendly" are, for the
most part, those materials approved for use and listed in the
International Certification Standards of the Organic Crop Improvement
Association. A copy of that Standard will be included as Appendix A in
the group FAQ. Those practices that are considered as "environmentally
friendly" are those practices traditionally associated with organic
gardening and/or Integrated Pest Management.
Rec.gardens.ecosystems is also proposed as a newsgroup with a
Frequently Asked Questions or FAQ component. The FAQ will attempt to
answer the bulk of the questions asked by home gardeners employing
organic gardening techniques. Because the ecosystem of one area is
often so different from the ecosystem of another and because organic
answers tend to be so regional, the content of the FAQ will be based
on discussions in the group and on the existing knowledge and
experience of volunteers who help maintain the FAQ.
The basic content will be as follows:
Index:
Section A: Basic Orientation & Definition of Terms
Section B: Soils: Structure, use of Soil Amendments & Mulches
Section C: Composting & Use of Compost
Section D: Plant Nutrition
Section E: Cultural Practices
Section F: Botany for the Home Gardener
Section G: Plant & Soil Disease; Treatment & Prevention
Section H: Plant & Soil Pests; Treatment & Prevention
Section I: Gardening for Wildlife
Section J: Growing Edible Crops/Growing Organic Foods & Products
Section K: Vegetarian & Vegan Gardening
Appendix A: OCIA's International Certification Standard
Appendix B: Recommended Reading
Appendix C: Related Newsgroups, Websites, & Off-line Addresses
Appendix D: Moderation Policy
Appendix E: Glossary of Botanical Terms
An updated copy of the FAQ will be posted in rec.gardens.ecosystems
every two weeks. The FAQ Maintainers may decide to change the
posting frequency if and when the FAQ becomes available by other
means such as FTP, WWW or Automated E-mail.
Maintainer: Bill Robinson <roseguy@flash.net>
Maintainer: Ronald Zwaagstra <R.Zwaagstra@ppsw.rug>
Note:The FAQ maintainers will make a concerted effort to keep the
content of the FAQ current, relevant, and accurate. The information in
the FAQ can be used freely but at one's own risk. The FAQ maintainers
can not be held responsible for any damage caused by the information
in the FAQ.
Reasonable expectations of rec.gardens.ecosystems as a whole:
Gardening with just environmentally friendly materials coupled with
just environmentally friendly cultural practices and getting good
results requires a working knowledge of the ecosystems operating in
that particular garden. For the most part, it is a more complicated
way to garden. The reader should expect some of the discussions to be
relatively technical.
Moderation Policy:
The moderation policies for rec.gardens.ecosystems have a number of
goals. One goal is to eliminate or reduce cross postings. The only
crossposted articles allowed are administrative postings like RFDs
and CFVs. A second goal is to help the discussions stay focused on
ecosystems and organic gardening. A third goal is to discourage
inappropriate postings. The moderation system consists of a robo-
moderator supported by human moderators. The planed moderation
program is expected to meet these goals.
The robomoderator is intended as the primary "moderator at work". It
has the ability and is given the authority to perform three functions
during periods in which it is the primary moderator: 1.) To reject cross
posted articles or articles containing binaries, (PGP signatures O.K).
2.) To check whether the poster has engaged in off-topic postings (such
as, but not restricted to, ‘flames' or non-authorized commercial
postings) and attempts to continue such postings even after an
explicit request by the moderating team has been sent that such
practice cease. In the event that both conditions are met, the article
is referred to the human moderators for consideration. 3.) To approve
and post all other articles independent of the human moderators.
Except for forged messages, the moderators will not cancel any
messages. The human moderators may update the robomoderator
so as to reduce the number of off-topic postings. It should be noted
that as the robomoderator is usally the only moderator at work, some
amount of off-topic (see below) posts should be expected.
The responsibilities of the human moderators are to maintain the
robomoderator and to handle those situations that require individual
attention. When the human moderators see a need to shift moderation
to their control, they will first post an advanced notice on
rec.gardens.ecosystems stating the intent to shift to human moderation
(assisted by the robomoderator) and state the reasons for doing so.
The human moderators take over for an unspecified length of time
and will be assisted by the robomoderator checking for cross-posts,
binaries, and approved posters. The human moderators may elect to give
auto-approval status to any number of posters during those periods of
human moderation. All human moderators have the right to accept or
reject articles for rec.gardens.ecosystems.
The reasoning behind the temporary shifting to human moderation is to
provide the human moderators with the means to deal with difficult
situations, these include but are not restricted to flamewars and a
high percentage of off-topic postings. Articles that are blatantly
commercial and have nothing to do with home gardening or articles that
contain foul or offensive language, e.g., flames, are considered
inappropriate for rec.gardens.ecosystems. Articles that are aimed at
demeaning individuals as a result of their age, nationality, race,
religion, gender or sexual orientation are also considered
inappropriate. In the event that such an article should appear, the
human moderator would contact the author, attach a copy of the group
charter as a reference, and request the author's cooperation. In the
event that all efforts to gain cooperation fail, the human moderator
may elect to have all future articles from that author auto-referred
to human moderators for individual consideration. The author would be
notified by the human moderator if the decision was to reject the
article.
Articles advocating the routine application of materials prohibited by
the International Certification Standards, as specified in Appendix A
of the group FAQ, are considered inappropriate as well. The same
general procedures as described above would be followed with the
exception that if such a posting would actually appear in
rec.gardens.ecosystems, the human moderator would also post an article
stating that the application of that material in that paticular way
violates the International Certification Standard.
As technology and circumstance change, it will undoubtedly be
necessary to update the moderation policy from time to time. In which
case, the changes would be posted to rec.gardens.ecosystems. The group
FAQ will also contain the most recent version of the moderation policy
in Appendix D.
Commercial Postings:
Articles announcing or promoting commercial products, services, or
publications by commercial sources may be posted provided that they
are appropriate in an organic gardening program. The articles must be
approved by the moderator prior to posting. Commercial postings
without pre-post approval will be considered as inappropriate and
treated as above.
Replacement of moderators:
Moderators may be replaced in a vote organized by an independent
vote-counter using the automated UseVote software. The voting period
lasts for a period of 20 to 30 days, stated in advance in the Call
For Votes. The Call For Votes must appear in rec.gardens.ecosystems.
Moderators are replaced when the replacement candidate obtains a 2/3
majority with a minimal difference of 100 votes. The results of the
vote are published in rec.gardens.ecosystems.
The original proponent for a moderator replacement is allowed one
article in the group calling for support. The subjectline for that
Call For Support should read:"Moderator replacement, Call For
Support". The formal replacement process requires the support of at
least ten past-posters with the number verified by the moderator
group. A formal discussion on the replacement may then begin. The
subjectline for the formal discussion should read:"Moderator
replacement, Request For Discussion". Calls For Support and Requests
For Discussion will only be accepted when at least six months have
passed since the last request for discussion of moderator replacement.
Resignation of moderators, expansion of office:
Moderators in office may resign or choose to increase their number. In
such case, they may appoint a new moderator without a formal group
vote. Anyone who would like to volunteer to become a moderator should
notify one of the moderators. The moderators may ask the group for
their opinions regarding a candidate moderator. Those who would wish
to reply should do so by sending their comments directly to the
moderators by private e-mail rather than posting in the group. The
acceptance of a new moderator is then posted in
rec.gardens.ecosystems.
Conflicts between moderators:
The moderator team will be supervised by a Moderator Supervisor who is
not engaged in actual moderation. If the moderators have a conflict
that they can not resolve by themselves, the Moderator Supervisor
decides the issue. The proposed moderators propose the first Moderator
Supervisor. The Moderator Supervisor may propose their successors to
the moderating team. The moderating team must agree on the selection
of the follow-up supervisor.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: rec.gardens.ecosystems
Moderator: Bill Robinson <roseguy@flash.net>
Moderator: Ronald Zwaagstra <R.Zwaagstra@ppsw.rug.nl>
Administrative contact address: ecosys-admin@sunsite.unc.edu
Article submission address: ecosys-submit@sunsite.unc.edu
END MODERATOR INFO.
DISTRIBUTION:
Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:
The bionet.* groups
rec.gardens.ecosystems Final Voter list
Voted YES
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rupitis@sydney.dialix.com.au Robert Upitis
emmerik@gil.com.au Margaret Van Emmerik
oliverm@wantree.com.au John McKinney
constant@numbat.murdoch.edu.au Clare Constantine
jasmine@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor
cgottsel@pris.bc.ca Carol Gottselig
rthibode@ccs.carleton.ca Rachelle Thibodeau
ac288@chebucto.ns.ca Ruth Bailey
paxil@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk
mark.hallas@sympatico.ca Mark Hallas
coltremb@rsvs.ulaval.ca Colette Tremblay
jmcgarry@uoguelph.ca James McGarry
Steve.Silverman@adn.alcatel.com Steve Silverman
farmcity@alternatives.com FarmFolk/CityFolk
Cfwripples@aol.com Carol Walker
Chrislast@aol.com Christian Laster
DJAssocIL@aol.com Jerry Jung
DReyno3370@aol.com Dennis Reynolds
Englishla@aol.com Ann English
FHorn101@aol.com Carol J. Brown
GURUSHAKTI@aol.com
HillerSB@aol.com Vince Denny
LaaDeDah@aol.com Laura A. Archbald
LittlePua@aol.com Sherry Thompson
Margsone@aol.com Margaret Sinclair
Mathled@aol.com Pam Mathewson
Pollinator@aol.com David L. Green
RFergu6772@aol.com Elaine Ferguson
spudspa@aol.com Bill Cutler
SueCasson@aol.com Sue Casson
tibetbud@aol.com Thomas Bringhurst
TipiBoy@aol.com Todd Finney
tkse04@aol.com Tim Casey
UrbanHarve@aol.com Dr. Bob Randall
sjf@hrmaple.hr.att.com Steve Fenster
cnorman@best.com Cyndi Norman
mike.parker@US.GASES.BOC.COM Mike Parker
rls0321@pwic002.ks.boeing.com Rick L. Sleppy
mary@catalogue.com mary robinson crews
zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming
lrfortney@compuserve.com Lloyd R. Fortney
bobber@dataplusnet.com Bob & Shelly
rtiemens@erols.com Laurie Tiemens
trehgr@execpc.com Maxine McGovern
joey@gardener.com Joey Pierce
tom@halcyon.com Tom Acree
poly_math*@hotmail.com Nick LaRocca
cmn@icbdfcs7.fc.hp.com Catherine Varra-Nelson
maynard@fc.hp.com Maynard Hammond
ndallen@interlog.com Nigel Allen
ealbrook@lewiston.com Liz Albrook
lisa.rosen@lmco.com Lisa E. Rosen
kwattles@mindspring.com Kirk Wattles
mplewinska@mindspring.com Magdalena Plewinska
strohm@escher.sps.mot.com Jim Strohm
tworiver@mtnhome.com Robert M. Root
jem630@ds2.ncweb.com Jane Mahlig
catjam@mailbox.neosoft.com Jean Messmer
animaux@ix.netcom.com Victoria Rain
garrapat@ix.netcom.com Richard Faulkner
lionhert@ix.netcom.com Marsha Stanton
raifft@ix.netcom.com Beth Greenfeld
swehe@ix.netcom.com Susan K. Wehe
barbuto@no_spam_sprynet.com Anthony Barbuto
tindall@panix.com Bruce Tindall
rosmanha@pinkinc.com H. A. Rosman
garlicgr@pond.com Dinara Peterson
w_mazur@primenet.com Walt Mazur
farley@spont.com Tom Farley
nmcul@swcp.com Todd Staats
arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva
debra@teleport.com Debra Skinner
mwhite@therim.com Maggie White
tlange@transport.com Thomas Lange
Alan@Pemberton.u-net.com Alan Pemberton
jjy@xnet.com James Yorton
euthke@siam.muc.de Ekkehard Uthke
Thilo.Pfennig@kiel.netsurf.de Thilo Pfennig
naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber
yount@csf.Colorado.EDU Michael Yount
jill@columbia.edu Jill Williams
hartman@acpub.duke.edu Steven Hartman
metzjg@hiram.edu Jan Goodland Metz
lfelch@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu Linda Felch
bmelone@miis.edu Brett Melone
poklembc@ucs.orst.edu Chris Poklemba
cjl114@psu.edu Cheryl J. Lipton
elph@e.imap.itd.umich.edu Michael Elph Morgan
skjemtru@email.unc.edu Susanne Kjemtrup
paulm@thing.oit.unc.edu Paul Mitchell
london@sunsite.unc.edu Lawrence F. London, Jr.
crow@cs.unr.edu Windee Crow
virginia@oncology.uthscsa.edu Virginia Boucher
lizacker@vt.edu Elizabeth Ackermann
allyn@u.washington.edu Allyn Weaks
richard_rupp@wsu.edu Richard Rupp
Jean-Claude.Darchen@univ-rennes1.fr Jean-Claude Darchen
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark
atlloyd@acer.gen.tcd.ie Andrew Lloyd
e.dolla@imola.nettuno.it Enrico Dolla e.dolla@imola.nettuno.it
c-s-drake@worldnet.att.net scpd & ced
chamisa@worldnet.att.net rhiannon dent
n2rug@capital.net Thomas Roby
lec@caribnet.net Louis Chinnery
jcdill@concentric.net JC Dill
esparks@earthlink.net Emilie Sparks
rrobinso@fix.net Robert Robinson
bev2@flash.net Beverly Archer
roseguy@flash.net Bill Robinson
mm@foxinternet.net Mike Malveaux
ellis@ftel.net Rick Ellis
jesp@intercable.net Jesus Eugenio Sanchez
akers@jetlink.net Brian Akers
jawhitjr@keyway.net Jay Whitcraft
mlepa@adan.kingston.net Marianne Lepa
grady@mdc.net Dick Grady
bradley@net-works.net Mark Kroh
F.vd.Laan@inter.nl.net Frits v/d Laan
tonyb@null.net Tony Basoglu
bigdave@olywa.net dave h
permawest@olywa.net Kirk Hanson
trif@serv.net Mary Conner
bob@sky.net Bob Batson
keithdj@sonic.net Keith Johnson
coffmans@texas.net Bobby
annbal@thecia.net Ann Balboni
j.cropper@trinidad.net John Cropper
cclash@web.net Bob Ewing
lamu@wt.net Andy Richker
r.zwaagstra@ppsw.rug.nl Ronald Zwaagstra
metamorf@worldaccess.nl Caroline van der Hout
ilborch@online.no Ida Lau Borch
Anita.Easton@vuw.ac.nz Anita Easton
njackson@clear.net.nz Noel Jackson
ed@ccrwest.org Ed Bender
dwayne@cybernews.org Dwayne Jones-Evans
slax@envirolink.org Shahna Lax
joed@igc.org Joe Dalsin
mcgrew@alumni.stanford.org Darin McGrew
etldlcs@etlxdmx.ericsson.se Dan Chalmers
pfaf@scs.leeds.ac.uk Richard Morris
gillmike@argonet.co.uk M Harvey
nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman
joanna@collegium.co.uk Joanna Holland
brad@brad.demon.co.uk Rex Bradley
Tracey@brixtonbooks.demon.co.uk Tracey Greenwood
sfholford@brownswell.demon.co.uk Sarah F. Holford
geoff@hene.demon.co.uk Geoff Hogg
kate@jbaassoc.demon.co.uk Kate Alexander
news97a@stejonda.demon.co.uk Dave JW Day
Dormouse@thepowerfamily.demon.co.uk Kathy Power
jonsg@harlequin.co.uk Jon S Green
Voted NO
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pwhite@lightspeed.bc.ca
ac391@freenet.carleton.ca Elizabeth McCullough
chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer
hmoran@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl Hector Moran
kruegert@agcs.com
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
joanm@nomorespam.bigfoot.com Joan M. Mathew
ethoenen@cisco.com Elizabeth Thoenen
booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda
lcs@zk3.dec.com Larry Smith
bgreveme@ford.com Bryce Grevemeyer
gkiewicz@ford.com George Kiewicz
bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
robertb@iea.com Bob Blanchard
joe.kusterer@lmco.com Joe Kusterer
cipher@mindspring.com David Howard
barvian@nospam.sps.mot.com Scott Barvian
olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
dc@panix.com David W. Crawford
john1@world.std.com john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry)
kiewicz@mail.wwnet.com Pat Kiewicz
stoddard@U.Arizona.EDU Mari Stoddard
be810@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU Christine Dehoff
paris@byu.edu Robert Craig Harman
patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
ddsack@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu Dee Sackett
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan
curie@u.washington.edu Susanne J. Redalje
EAHATCHER@worldnet.att.net Ed Hatcher
monarch@earthling.net Jason King
msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57
vpdura@hiwaay.net Victor P. Dura
tburk000@user.iwaynet.net Tom Burkhard
cangemi@mhv.net Kay Cangemi
marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez
totototo@mail.pacificcoast.net Rodger Whitlock
stuart@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz stuart yeates
tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson
klj@efn.org Kathleen Jones
T.Bowden@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Tony Bowden
Abstained
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adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adam Finkelstein
dimmicmj@aston.ac.uk Michael Dimmick
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BRateaver@aol.com
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johanssen@matnet.com Jenny S. Johanssen
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infomaui@mauigateway.com InfoMaui
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haverty@cig.mot.com Michael Haverty
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mwarren@foxnet.net Cataloging Dept.
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Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk
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