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Hi- forwarding this response recieved after
forwarding the various messages re. PC Copyright to the UK PC list (this is
going to get complicated..... Maybe we need an international bulletin board set
up to facilitate discussion of this stuff.....)
Cheers, Graham
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: reply to Eric Storm
Hello there,
while I agree that it is important to keep PC fresh with new ideas designing
our own systems etc I feel that this overlooks the fact that PC is not about
specific desins or systems but about aproach - the approach to self reliant
living that is the core of permaculture - all the ingenutiy, all the innovations
etc etc come from the diversity of this approach whatever it is called - at the
same time permaculture is becoming recognised around the world and is gainig a
great deal of credability among mainstream organisations - this is all good
stuff the dangers here are two fold:
1 - lack of standardisastion so that those who wish too can take the moneya
nd run leaving permaculture with a tarnised rep
and
2 - a re-defining/watering down of permaculture to the techie approach of
rationalists thus losing its revolutionary community building 00 aspects.
i feel that trademarking PC etc is a good way of grounding what has been
developed so far but i wish to restate my opinion that it should be the movement
as a whole that do this rather than a few indiviuals however noble or otherwise
their intentions may be.
namaste - Ken
>From: "Graham Burnett" (by way of
Andrew Benn )
>Reply-To: "Graham Burnett" (by way of
Andrew Benn )
>To: permaculture.uk@ntlworld.com (PermacultureUK Mailing List)
>Subject: [PermacultureUK] - [PermacultureUK] Fw: permaculture
trademark alert
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:06:23 +0100
>
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>PermacultureUK - The views expressed on this list are not
>necessarily
>those of the
>Permaculture Assoc. (Britain) http//www.permaculture.org.uk
>
>---------------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: storm
>To: permaculture
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:06 PM
>Subject: Re: permaculture trademark alert
>
>
> > Besides the previously mentioned possible motivations for
Bill
>and Lisa to
> > go through with a trademark, I thought of another one.
> >
> > Bill has said that he hoped that others would create their
own
>systems and
> > not just parrot/steal his ideas. I can imagine that this
may be
>a way to
> > stop Permaculture from becoming dogma or institutionalized.
By
>taking
>away
> > some of the core pieces, others will be forced to become
>inventive and
> > develop new systems that work for their areas and their
fields.
>Some
> > people do lean rather heavily on the words, pictures and
ideas of
>a few.
> > Whether or not this is the best way to accomplish those
goal, is
>still
>open
> > for debate.
> >
> > There is some loss of the credibility and recognition that
>Permaculture
>has
> > developed. But in the long run, this may be the best for
the
>spread of
>the
> > central values and ideas held within Permaculture.
> >
> > Those who have created a living based on some of those core
>pieces will
> > need to get creative, but I have great faith in their
ability to
>do so.
> > Many have already made this transition. There are many
great
>ideas out
> > there to borrow from and build on to create wonderfully
diverse
>and
> > appropriate new systems.
> >
> > It is the strength of the ideas, not the name, that will
make a
>difference.
> >
> > Eric Storm
> >
> >
> > ---
>
>
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