According to Morgan and Richards The Book of Apples: A Mrs Smith, born in
England in 1800, emigrated to Australia in 1838. In 1860s she found some
seedlings growing in a creek where she had tipped out some apples brought back
from Sydney. Tree was propagated and later family increased their orchards and
marketed fruit in Sydney. Apples exported from Sydney to Britain in
1930s (There is no mention of Bramley's
Seedling being involved. Bramley's and Granny Smith look and taste very
different).
According to Martin Crawford's Directory of Apple Cultivars:
Reine des Pommes is a cider (bittersweet) apple from Brittany, blooms early,
pick in November, greenish-yellow flushed dark red, moderate vigour, good
cropper, no parentage given.
Derry
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:28
PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Sutton Beauty
apple
Hi,
I find your discussion on
varieties very interesting.
I imagine Bramley to be a parent of Granny Smith, is that
so?
Would you happen to know about Reine des
pommes?
Some information would be very appreciated.
H. Dessureault
Québec, Zone 3a
Claude,
I had to go to the books again to
see if I could find anything on Dumelow or Wellington.
Acc to Martin
Crawford, Dumelow Seedling comes from England, is a cooker, and is
a Northern Greenling seedling.
A friend has the Apples of NY as well
as all sorts of good reference books.
She says the US germplasm
repository (from before the Internet) lists Sutton and Sutton Beauty, so
that variety is not lost to the world. She also says that Aof NY says it
is an error to consider Wellington and Dumelow as synonyms of SB. I
think I understood from her that Wellington and Dumelow Seedling and
Dumelow's crab are synonyms of one another and Sutton Beauty has many
synonyms including Sutton and Morris Red. Sutton Beauty is a seedling of
Hubbardson Nonsuch. Hubbardson Nonsuch is also listed as
a synonym of SB, but A of NY says it is not a 'synonym', but a 'seedling
of'. Apparently the picture of Sutton Beauty in A of NY is of a very
nice-looking apple. It came out of Massachusetts in 1848.Also Sutton
Beauty is an eating apple (vs Dumelow which is a cooker)
However, I
went onto the US germplasm Repository site and there is no listing
of Sutton or Sutton Beauty or Morris Red. There is a listing of Wellington,
but this is presumably a US Wellington, not the British one.
I also
checked the US Germplasm site for 'Winter' and 'Winter Dessert'. No
sign of either. Winter is probably a generic name,
or a short form of one of the many apples having 'winter' as part of their
name.
These searches are interesting,
Thanks for your
input,
Derry
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Looking in my documentation, I don't find anything on Winter or Winter :
Dessert. However, from Beach's Apples of NY, Sutton Beauty is a synonym
for : those 2 varieties: : Dumelow (also called Wellington), a yellow
English cooker, : Sutton, a seedling of Hubbardston prior to 1850, orig.
Mass. :: : Claude
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