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Re: MVP Bt insecticide



Thanks for the useful comments. I have encountered a number of claims
(such as those below) that MVP is a suitable "organic" pesticide
.http://www.hort.uconn.edu/ipm/general/htms/orgpest.htm
PESTICIDES FOR ORGANIC GROWERS
"The major types of B.t. are the 'kurstake' strain for caterpillar pests
(Dipel, Javelin, Thuricide, MVP, etc.) and the 'San Diego' or
'tenebrionis' strain for potato beetle larvae (M-One, M-Trak, Beetle
Beater, Novodor, etc.)."
I have searched USDA and EPA to find where and how MVP can be
considered "organic" even though it is GM, but I cannot find out how or
where  MVP got onto organic lists even though it is GM. The fact that
the bacteria are dead does not change the GM status nor does it change
the mobility of the genes. I would welcome a pointer to where USDA and
EPA  allow MVP in organic certification. The point is that the biotech
industry may use the  MVP paradigm and the usual team of slick pricey
lawyers to force all GM crops to be designated "organic". Unfortunately
, courts tend to use academic "experts" and government bureaucrats to
force  irrational procedures on  growers and the public.

Five Springs Farm wrote:

My recollection is that MVP was specifically for potato beetle control and
was, indeed, GM. A different Bt product for potato beetles is now widely
available, non-GM. For other Bt control (caterpillar, as looper and hornworm
among others), most or maybe all of the products that I have seen are
non-GM. That said, I would not consider anything from Gardens Alive to be ok
for certified organic growers. There is almost always a large 'inert'
ingredient component and it is always considered proprietary, so no agency
is able to review the ingredients. We have used some of the products, but
even as 'non-certified organic' growers we have become reluctant to use any
from them (they are also expensive for any but the backyard grower).

Jim and Jo
Five Springs Farm CSA, http://fivespringsfarm.itgo.com
The Community Farm Newsletter, http://tcf.itgo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "joe cummins" <jcummins@UWO.CA>
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:13 PM
Subject: [SANET-MG] MVP Bt insecticide




I encountered the following  comment by an organic farmer on a web
site:  "This year I've also tried to keep a regular schedule for
spraying organic pesticide on the cabbage, tomato, eggplant and potato
plants. I use "MVP" from Gardens Alive. Most of the "organic" pesticides
are made from Bacillus thuringiensis (BT) which is a type of bacterium
that kills only leaf eating insects after they have ingested sprayed
leaf material. This seems to help, although it's still very difficult to
get good looking cabbages since some damage will always occur. Speaking
of cabbages, one year I tried to use an insect barrier, a loosely woven
white cloth material over the cabbage beds. It's sold specifically for
this purpose. However, the plants didn't grow very well, and I suspect
that the material also traps heat which the cabbages don't like that


much."


MVP is a genetically engineered version of Bt. Pseudomonas fluorescens
cells can be engineered to produce the B.t. delta-endotoxins without
production of a spore. The crystal protein remains inside the P.
fluorescens cell wall. In the products MVP and M-Trak, the P.
fluorescens cell is killed after it produces the crystal protein. When
the product is applied, the delta-endotoxin remains protected within the
now dead cell wall. In this way, the B.t. delta-endotoxin retains its
effectiveness for two to three times longer than other B. t.
formulations. MVP and M-Trak were the first genetically engineered
produces to k registered by EPA, since the transgenic organism was not
alive when released into the environment.
However, it should be mentioned that bacteria enjoy sex after death, in
the sense that the Bt genes  are transferred to other soil bacteria
efficiently. Such transfer  is now well documented in scientific reports.
The question is "is MVP an organic pesticide even though it is
genetically engineered?" If MVP is allowed in organic product  should we
pretend that its "death" is significant, even though it carries on "sex"
(gene exchange) after death? Finally, we might ask, "does  Elvis still
have sex? :-\ "

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