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Re: Ecological Economics and Entropy

On 14 Nov 1996 21:18:02 GMT, jmc@Steam.stanford.edu (John McCarthy) wrote:

> Mason Clark includes:
> 
>      I must object to the misuse of the word "socialist."
>      Countries run by demagogues -- tyrants -- for their own
>      purposes are the opposite of "socialist."
>      Centrally-controlled economies, of which the USSR was the
>      prime example, are doomed to failure even under a
>      "socialist" banner -- they should be called "stupid," not
>      "socialist."  They must resort to police control of the
>      populace because they are NOT socialist.
> 
> I suspect Mason Clark is old enough so that it is reasonable to
> ask him whether he denounced the Soviet Empire as non-socialist before
> it collapsed.

 Yes, I am old enough.  Yes, I did.  Yes, I do not appreciate the 
 insult, even though veiled.
> 
> So far as I know, the Social-Democratic parties of Europe did not
> denounce the Soviet Empire as non-socialist, although they did
> criticize it from time to time.
> 
> To call it not socialist at all excuses Mason Clark and other
> pro-socialists from learning anything from the disaster of "existing
> socialism".  "Oh, that has nothing to do with us, even though many of
> the slogans are the same."

    Where in that post did I show myself to be "pro-socialist"?
    This is a good example of the difficulty of reading from a computer
    screen.

    I AM pro the socialistic-capitalism we now have.  Ok, now I have 
    announced myself as pro-socialist, as I'm certain are all but the Libertarians
    here -- and I have doubts about them.   Oh, oh, I just called John a
    pro-socialist.

    I apologize for insulting you, John.

    Hey, this thing is turning into a CHAT net.  I can't keep up with the
    insults.

    I voted for Ralph Nader.   AND NOW YOU KNOW !

            Mason
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