In article <CoMMLD.4Bs@freenet.carleton.ca>, as065@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kathleen Lidstone) writes: Kathleen, there is a group called the "Bear Tribe" that gives courses in Permaculture. I have read books by both of these authors. Anyway the "Bear Tribe" can be reached at (215) 993-3344 or (509) 326-4505. They have many classes and books on appropriate technology and Native American traditions. Good Luck, Kevin