Re: Re: "Organic" rip off, Fees AND Dutch public on GE foods.

["sal" <sals@rain.org>]

good in my younger years I would go to the drag strip and run cars the 1/4
mile.  well some folks cheated and some did not.  if you thought someone was
lying you would protest and they would inspect you car and if you were lying
you would pay a fine and give the trophy back.  that's what the organic
Gestapo should do.  I you think some one is lying you turn them in and if
they are telling the truth you pay if they are lying they pay for the
inspection and a fine.  that way those that are not lying do not have to
pay.  it seem fair for everyone.  just because someone in your town took
something from u you don't got search everyone's house in the whole town to
catch the thief .  that's is what the USDA is doing searching every organic
farmer and forcing fees and large amounts of paper work on them because some
body lied once about being organic.  turn the in.  there are laws on the
books now so turn them in but don't make the honest organic growers pay or
don't force the small organic grower out of business with forced fees.
this is wrong let the USDA know this is a rip off of the organic grower who
is honest.  tell them the honest organic growers should not have to pay 1
cent to tell the truth that he is organic .  not one cent.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/  Klaus there is organic certified out there
right now get a life check the labels and to burden your brothers for no
reason with fees and these organic Gestapo tactics.     NOt one cent more
than chemical farmers pay.  Please don't let them kill off the honest
organic grower or make their life a hell on earth because someone lied to
Klaus .
check out an organic farmers homepage
http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html
sals@rain.,org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hook Family" <guldann@ix.netcom.com>
To: <Wiegand@lufa-sp.vdlufa.de>; <geno@zap.a2000.nl>;
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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Re: "Organic" rip off, Fees AND Dutch public on GE foods.


>
> Klaus wrote the below message snipped most.  I can't deney that there i
> probably dishonest folks in the food growing world.  But it is a
non-organic
> farmer who is lying by saying he is organic.  NOT the organic grower who
is
> telling the truth but getting a bad name because of the liars.  Some years
> ago a local evening show tested local organics it passed.  The lastest
> consumer reports study Jan. '99 I believe which tested pesticides residue
of
> foods, in it the organics tested "passed" the test.
> So remember from your study who the liars were non-organic growers.
> The extra effort we,  at our farm ,are putting into getting certified
> organic should darn it count for something.  Beth
>
>  now: what would be your conclusions from these results ??
> > (we did not draw further conclusions in the publication beside
> > the usual scientific babble you'll found under "conclusions".
> >
> > but looking back my own conclusions were:
> >
> > a) don't rely on food declared as "organic" on the farmer market
> > b) people are willing to cheat to get the higher price for
> >    "organic"
> > c) take a look at the farm of the seller (if there's ANY at all)
> > d) certification is only the partial answer, CONTROLS are more
> >    important
> > e) forget about fantasy names as "truly organic", "BIO-DYNAMIC",
> >    "biologically produced", "organic", "naturally grown".
> >
> >    me relying on claimed organic food of unknown providence without
> >    a registered label ?? forget it !!!!
> >
> > f) rely on your home-grown food, your neigbor farmer or even
> >    better your friend, who is a farmer and who tells me: "this
> >    part of the field with leaks is sprayed against aphids (if the
> >    whole batch of 250.000 leaks contains ONE living aphid, the
> >    substitute of the supermarket chain will return the entire
> >    batch on MY costs), this part on the left isn't sprayed and
> >    for own consumption. take as much as you need, wash it for
> >    removing the aphids, which MIGHT be between the leaves and for
> >    that you'll install my new hard disk in my pc, when we're home
> >    again. that's an option for me and maybe a lot of people, who
> >    read here, because they have daily and intense contact with
> >    farmers and know the behinds. but is this an option for the
> >    other consumers ???
> >
> >
> > any more conclusion, any objections ?
> >
> > what measures would you take to protect you from these false
> > claims of some "make-money-fast" boys ?? would you take any at
> > all or let them do their dirty work ??
> >
> >
> >
> > klaus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   ---------------
> >    klaus wiegand
> >
> >
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