Re: Pond construction ideas needed (for FranksFarm)

["John Abdon" <jabdon@hotmail.com>]

http://www.fire.org/feis/plants/shrub/lesbic/value_and_use.html on
'Lespedeza bicolor'. Also 'Lespedeza thunbergii', 'Lespedeza capitata' but
don't know about nitrogen fixing, etc., for these.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <london@metalab.unc.edu>
To: permaculture <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pond construction ideas needed (for FranksFarm)


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> On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 FranksFarm@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 8/3/99 4:13:50 AM, london@metalab.unc.edu writes:
> >
> > <<Lespedeza is an amazing plant.>>  Hmmm...is lespedeza also a nitrogen
> > fixing legume...can't recall for sure. Also can it be utilized as
pasture for
> > cattle as part of a grazing mix?
>
> It is a legume and fixes nitrogen, reseeds itself and becomes permanently
> established this way and through root division. Very drought resistant,
> shades ground well. Again, an amazing plant. I think the variety I planted
> was Sericea Lespedeza. The farm supply companies usually have several
> varieties, some shorter, for mowing and baleing.
>
> > What kind od seed/variety did you plant? How much seed per acre? How did
you
> > sow it? How do you plant it into existing pasture/weed ground?
>
> Just broadcast it or drill it - make sure it gets planted at the right
> depth, i.e. shallow, I think. It will take a while to become established
> but will eventually outcompete nearly everything else. A very valuable
> plant.
>
> > With acres of ground to cover what do you feel is best way to disribute
the
> > overflow to ensure good even coverage? Drip system would work for high
$$
> > market garden areas, but what about pasture and small orchards?
>
> How about irrigation ditches and occasional flooding of areas planted to
> crops or trees. I was actually thinking of having a long row of small
> diameter concrete or galvanized culvert pipes embedded in the ground at
> shallow depth on the top of the dam (level enough to drive over or pull
> carts over) the overflow would then be distributed over a wide area to
> dissipate over and irrigate/fertilize the erosion-control plantings on
> the dam's slopes. Water channelling using a KeyLine plow could increase
> the area the water reaches - this could be redone from time to time. Just
> a thought.
>
> > Any other values, benefits, products from lespedeza...also can it be
> > contained fairly easily. I wouldn't want it to over run the place like
kudzu
> > or purple loose strife etc.
>
> Nothing wrong with Kudzu. Homework for you, Frank:
> How to integrate kudzu into various permaculture systems on one's
> property, emphazise the maintenance aspects of kudzu plantings :-)
>
> Here's something interesting on various cover crops used for grazing:
> (I have more info on organic chicken feed and cover crops at:
> http://metalab.unc.edu/london/orgfarm/cover-crops
> http://metalab.unc.edu/london/orgfarm/livestock
> http://metalab.unc.edu/london/orgfarm/faqs/new
> http://metalab.unc.edu/london/orgfarm/faqs/new-faqs
> I also have a copy oif the Morrison book Feeds and Feeding mentioned
> below, In case you want me to look something up.
>
> Speaking of books and libraries, who in this list is into
> collecting (hounding :-) publications on ag, landscaping, gardening,
> permaculture? I'm into it in a big way and have a huge library of books
> and mags. I know Scott is into this also, and I hear Bill Mollison is
> also. Others?
> -
> -
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:20:25 -0500
> From: Greg & Lei Gunthorp <hey4hogs@kuntrynet.com>
> Cc: sanet <sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: organic chicken feed recipes.
>
> Ladino clover is a cool season pasture component that will run the highest
> levels of protein and amino acid levels (protein building blocks) of any
> pasture species.  It will easily bloat ruminants if it makes up too much
> of a percentage of the pasture.
>
> I would strongly suggest you go to the University library and pick up some
> old books on poultry production.  An old Morrison Feeds and Feeding, pre
> 1960, would be a good place to start.  I've got several old hog production
> books around here.  I used to have an old poultry production book.  The
> research has already been done to demonstrate the effectiveness of various
> pasture species in non-ruminant animal production.  Ladino clover was
> clearly the best choice.  It might be debatable now days whether alfalfa
> should be the king of pastures for chickens and hogs because a lot more
> money has been spent on grazing alfalfa species.
>
> A good non-ruminant grazing program in the midwest can be built around
> clovers, alfalfa, brassicas(primarily rape), and some vegetative grass.
> Percentage reduction in feed is going to depend a lot on the quality of
> pasture grown.  I've got sows that I haven't fed since January.  They
> gleaned corn fields all winter and are doing just fine now on pasture.  We
> are getting so dry now that I'm going to have to start feeding them.
>
> Good luck,
> Greg Gunthorp
> Free Range Hog Farmer
>
>
>
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