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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:13:35 -0600
From: "Sandy W5TVW" 

Subject: Re: Yet more Re: GB> Tube Dampers? LOL!


The "rubber band" dampers are no joke in some instances!
Some of the old reel to reel tape recorders used to use a thick
sheet lead damper on the outer part of the steel tube shield!
Some people found out a rubber band on the preamp tube
would reduce or eliminate "microphonics".
I'd bet the "audiophools would jump on this as `giving richer and
fuller' sound!
73,
Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: "Brad Thompson" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Yet more Re: GB> Tube Dampers? LOL!


| 
| 
| In the 20's you could spens a bit extra and buy 'sprung' sockets
| for the tubes in your radio. I just sole a homebrew TRF on ebay that used
| these. lineup was  301, 300, 2 x 340, 171
| -bob
| 
| 
| On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Brad Thompson wrote:
| 
| > At 02:13 AM 03/14/2004 -0500, Sparkwireless@aol.com wrote:
| > >Don't laugh guys.  I have a very small tube portable from the mid
| > >50s.  Each of the 4 tubes has a heavy rubber band around it.  (The little
| > >radio was way cool too.  Plugging in the earphone also disconnected the
| > >3A5 audio amp stage to save the battery.  I also have a pair of Roberts
| > >770X tape recorders.  The first audio stage tube has a heavy rubber
| > >bourlet which it is pressed into.
| > >
| >
| > Hello--
| > I dimly recall dismantling an oddball oscilloscope plug-in (Fairchild?
| > LFE?) that
| > featured a couple of odd tube shields in the preamp portion of the circuit.
| > These
| > were normal-looking shields except for a lead sleeve fitted over the top
| > inch of the
| > shield which added a large amount of mass. Also, IIRC the tube sockets were
| > floated
| > in rubber washers. I don't believe that the lad was there for radiation
| > shielding-- only
| > adding mass.
| >
| > 73--
| >
| > Brad  AA1IP
| >
| 
| 


Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:38:00 -0500
From: john 

Subject: GB> Trade 50's QST CD set.....


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I've got two original sets of the ARRL QST CD's for 1950-1959.
Would like to trade for any pre-40's original set.

Thanks!
John 

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:32:37 -0500
From: "dave hooker" 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Getting a bid is only half the battle...getting them to pay for it is the 
real fight.
There seems to be quite a few bidders that either don't pay or as I have 
had, wish to withdraw their bids when they rethink them. I have had many 
back out like that , leaving me with the ebay fee's to pay. But I recently 
sold a radio shack TV type antenna rotor...to a chap in Canada for much more 
than it was worth...go figure.. plus, he had to pay the shipping and duties 
on the the item.
73's Dave WB4KVZ


>From: "Brad Hernlem" 
>To: Hans.Summers@tudor.com
>CC: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
>Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again
>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:54:02 +0000
>
>
>
>
>>From: Hans Summers 
>
>>I have a related question. A Mullard GZ34 on aBay UK, claimed tested OK,
>>priced at over £30, with 9 minutes to go at the time I left work. A search
>>on "completed" auctions showed one went recently for £90+! Yet at Farnell
>>http://www.farnell.com a brand new "Chelmer" GZ34 incl shipping and tax
>>would set you back approx £22. What gives? Do the Audiophiles who like 
>>GZ34
>>rectifiers not bother to check the price of a new one?
>
>I think that there IS quite a bit of THAT phenomenon happening on EBay, not 
>necessarily in this context. I alerted one fellow once to several web based 
>sources that offered, straight out, Tektronix probes for less than what he 
>was presently bidding.
>
>Brad
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:36:18 -0600
From: Jim Isbell 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Then there is the guy...I am dealing with one right now...........that 
has my money but hasnt sent the tubes. I complained and I got back a 
simple answer..."I am working on it"...This was a sale that took place 
three weeks ago and I paid on the first day. Unfortunately I did not 
check his feedback until after things started looking bad and he has 23 
complaints of never receiving goods that were paid for and has been 
suspended from trading on EBay, but still continues to trade there...I 
dont understand that at all.

E Bay does NOTHING to protect its customers on either side. I had a $250 
bid on a radio I was selling, the buyer never answered any posts and E 
Bay didnt even suspend his trading abilities...but then even if they 
did, he would have continued to trade just as the guy I am fighting with 
right now is doing!!!!

Ebay will ONLY work for you if you PAY them to do it....but I doubt that 
you would get your moneys worth even if you did pay the ransom they 
demand for protecting their OWN customers from whom they extract fees 
for services NOT RENDERED

dave hooker wrote:

> Getting a bid is only half the battle...getting them to pay for it is 
> the real fight.
> There seems to be quite a few bidders that either don't pay or as I 
> have had, wish to withdraw their bids when they rethink them. I have 
> had many back out like that , leaving me with the ebay fee's to pay. 
> But I recently sold a radio shack TV type antenna rotor...to a chap in 
> Canada for much more than it was worth...go figure.. plus, he had to 
> pay the shipping and duties on the the item.
> 73's Dave WB4KVZ
>
>
>> From: "Brad Hernlem" 
>> To: Hans.Summers@tudor.com
>> CC: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
>> Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again
>> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:54:02 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Hans Summers 
>>
>>
>>> I have a related question. A Mullard GZ34 on aBay UK, claimed tested 
>>> OK,
>>> priced at over £30, with 9 minutes to go at the time I left work. A 
>>> search
>>> on "completed" auctions showed one went recently for £90+! Yet at 
>>> Farnell
>>> http://www.farnell.com a brand new "Chelmer" GZ34 incl shipping and tax
>>> would set you back approx £22. What gives? Do the Audiophiles who 
>>> like GZ34
>>> rectifiers not bother to check the price of a new one?
>>
>>
>> I think that there IS quite a bit of THAT phenomenon happening on 
>> EBay, not necessarily in this context. I alerted one fellow once to 
>> several web based sources that offered, straight out, Tektronix 
>> probes for less than what he was presently bidding.
>>
>> Brad
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:59:12 -0700
From: Doug 

Subject: GB> Loctal Sockets........


OK.....someone out there wanted some loctal sockets.  Dont
remember who it was.  'Found some and would be willing to
ship.  Just need to know who to send them to.

73

Doug, K7YD


Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:31:33 -0500
From: john 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


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At 05:36 PM 3/14/04 -0600, Jim Isbell wrote:

>Ebay will ONLY work for you if you PAY them to do it....

I  am finding this out! After several hundred successful transactions
(mostly as a customer) over the past 5 years or so, I finally found
a lunatic seller who's impossible to deal with   

It's really an interesting protection racket they have going ...

John


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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:18:02 -0600
From: Tom Norris 

Subject: GB> "Vintage fuse" or grid leak resistor??


Can anyone take a look at ebay item 3082216212  and tell me what
it really is?

BTW, the seller has some other nifty looking things too, glowbugge
style. (no association with the seller, etc)

Tom


Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:52:12 -0500
From: Kim Herron 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Hi John (et.al)
>At 05:36 PM 3/14/04 -0600, Jim Isbell wrote:
>
> >Ebay will ONLY work for you if you PAY them to do it....
>
>I  am finding this out! After several hundred successful transactions
>(mostly as a customer) over the past 5 years or so, I finally found
>a lunatic seller who's impossible to deal with
>It's really an interesting protection racket they have going ...
>
>John

         Do the rest of us a favor and let us know who these people are.
We (at least I) like to know these things so I can avoid these people.



Thanks!!

Kim Herron  W8ZV
1-616-677-3706 


Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:20:46 -0600
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Tom_N=D8JMY_-_AAR7FV?= 

Subject: GB> "It's a wonderful day in my eBay neighborhood..."


Jim said:
>Then there is the guy...I am dealing with one right now...........that
>has my money but hasnt sent the tubes.

All the more reason to deal with your humble and friendly "theponyengine".
Unfortunately, the only thing I've got going on this week is a pair of
7591A's which I'm dangling on a hook in the audiophool pond.  Last week, a
similar pair caught me a bid of $86.00.  Keep in mind, this is a consignment
so I'm not pocketing the whole craparee.

However, the week before, a comely young lady from Tokyo sent me a money
order of $250 for a CX-350 that I'd given a fellow ham's widow five bucks
for.   NOW WAIT FOR THE REST OF THE STORY, DOGGONE IT!!!.  Jeez!  Hmmph!
The fact was, I was desperately seeking 30's for youse guys back in November
when I came across an eBay ad that had a few ST type 30's along with some
various other tubes advertised in it-- so I bid accordingly and lost.  A
couple weeks later, the little old lady contacted me and said the original
buyer stiffed her and I could have them for my bid if I still wanted (eBay's
2nd chance option).  I went ahead and got them.  A day after I paid, the
original winner "chetatkinsdiet" contacted her only to find out she had sold
them to me, and he went ballistic.  He gave her a negative feedback that
claimed she defrauded him and sold to a higher bidder on the side, then sent
her an e-mail so obscene it would make Sid, my sea-faring parrot, blush (and
Sid's truly one dirty bird- www.theponyengine.com/sid.jpg ).  I couldn't
figure out why anyone would be that rotten about some old 30's.  Well, when
the tubes got here I found out.  I opened the box and there on top was a
carefully wrapped CX-350!  She had it listed as a UX-30.  Even so, I should
have seen the huge envelope in the eBay pic. but I was only looking at the
30's and was in a hurry.  I guess I figured it was an old 80 as their is no
such thing as a UX-30.

Anyway, I wrote her back and said, "hey lady, dis ain't no oydinary
fire-bottle," and I explained to her why the creep had been so nasty to her.
I said I felt bad but she said, "no, no big deal," etc.  So I offered to at
least split it with her, and she thought that was sweet of me and all, so I
cut it in half with a chop-saw.  No.  I waited 'til the post Christmas slump
was over and then sold it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3079553183 and gave her
$125.  She said I'm wonderful, which confirms my suspicion and also shows
you how easy it is to con senior citizens, I guess.  WØJHS's widow
incidently.

ANYWAY...I have to sheepishly admit, that (knock wood) I have yet to be
burned by a buyer, even though half of them are from the Pacific Rim (doing
my part to reduce the U.S. trade deficit), (knock twice) I've only been
burned once when I was the buyer, and that was when I was a new guy--I don't
think I would have burned on it today, (knock thrice) the two or three other
times I got a defective tube, or radio, the seller's were very gracious and
refunded all my expense, (keep knockin') I still have 100% positive feedback
after a hundred and some transactions.  I've only had to take a return once,
and that guy gave good feedback because I stood by my return policy.

Shoot, when I was in the truck business, people would pat me on the back,
smile at me and then screw me out of ten grand on a regular basis.  As the
capo Tessio said right before he got whacked, "Tell Mikey it was just
business..."

73, and "you came to the right place, my friend"
Tom

>----- Original Message ----- 
rom: "Jim Isbell" 
.Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Then there is the guy...I am dealing with one right now...........that
has my money but hasnt sent the tubes. I complained and I got back a
simple answer..."I am working on it"...This was a sale that took place
three weeks ago and I paid on the first day. Unfortunately I did not
check his feedback until after things started looking bad and he has 23
complaints of never receiving goods that were paid for and has been
suspended from trading on EBay, but still continues to trade there...I
dont understand that at all.

E Bay does NOTHING to protect its customers on either side. I had a $250
bid on a radio I was selling, the buyer never answered any posts and E
Bay didnt even suspend his trading abilities...but then even if they
did, he would have continued to trade just as the guy I am fighting with
right now is doing!!!!

Ebay will ONLY work for you if you PAY them to do it....but I doubt that
you would get your moneys worth even if you did pay the ransom they
demand for protecting their OWN customers from whom they extract fees
for services NOT RENDERED

dave hooker wrote:

> Getting a bid is only half the battle...getting them to pay for it is
> the real fight.
> There seems to be quite a few bidders that either don't pay or as I
> have had, wish to withdraw their bids when they rethink them. I have
> had many back out like that , leaving me with the ebay fee's to pay.
> But I recently sold a radio shack TV type antenna rotor...to a chap in
> Canada for much more than it was worth...go figure.. plus, he had to
> pay the shipping and duties on the the item.
> 73's Dave WB4KVZ
>
>
>> From: "Brad Hernlem" 
>> To: Hans.Summers@tudor.com
>> CC: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
>> Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again
>> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:54:02 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Hans Summers 
>>
>>
>>> I have a related question. A Mullard GZ34 on aBay UK, claimed tested
>>> OK,
>>> priced at over £30, with 9 minutes to go at the time I left work. A
>>> search
>>> on "completed" auctions showed one went recently for £90+! Yet at
>>> Farnell
>>> http://www.farnell.com a brand new "Chelmer" GZ34 incl shipping and tax
>>> would set you back approx £22. What gives? Do the Audiophiles who
>>> like GZ34
>>> rectifiers not bother to check the price of a new one?
>>
>>
>> I think that there IS quite a bit of THAT phenomenon happening on
>> EBay, not necessarily in this context. I alerted one fellow once to
>> several web based sources that offered, straight out, Tektronix
>> probes for less than what he was presently bidding.
>>
>> Brad
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:16:39 -0800 (PST)
From: keith ford 

Subject: GB> Ham Freight


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Is there anyone who is retired or works at home who would be interested in coordinating pickups and drop offs? I believe Brian Carling said he would.  Anyone else? keith

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:12:17 EST
From: W6jod@aol.com

Subject: Re: GB> "Vintage fuse" or grid leak resistor??



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In a message dated 3/14/2004 4:27:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
r390a@bellsouth.net writes:

> Can anyone take a look at ebay item 3082216212  and tell me what
> it really is?
> 

Looks like or similar to many cartridge type power resistors I've seen in 
various Broadcast TV transmitters & power supplies.  Size is not noted but it is 
likely bigger than any fuse other than a very large one.

73,

Norm Hall, W6JOD

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In a message dated 3/14/2004 4:27:4=
0 PM Pacific Standard Time, r390a@bellsouth.net writes:

Can anyone take a look at ebay= item 3082216212  and tell me what
it really is?


Looks like or similar to many cartridge type power resistors I've seen in va= rious Broadcast TV transmitters & power supplies.  Size is not note= d but it is likely bigger than any fuse other than a very large one.

73,

Norm Hall, W6JOD
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:39:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Glen Zook 

Subject: Re: GB> "Vintage fuse" or grid leak resistor??


Although there is nothing to compare the size with, it
sure looks like some of the fuses that were used in
various line applications when I worked for TXU (the
electric company for about half the State of Texas,
gas company for over half, etc.).  Most of these had
fuse elements that could be replaced when they
happened to "blow".

Some of the fuses were almost a "foot" long and at
least a couple of inches in diameter (some even
more!).

Glen, K9STH


--- W6jod@aol.com wrote:

Looks like or similar to many cartridge type power
resistors I've seen in various Broadcast TV
transmitters & power supplies.  Size is not noted but
it is likely bigger than any fuse other than a very
large one.


=====
Glen, K9STH

Web sites

http://home.comcast.net/~k9sth
http://home.comcast.net/~zcomco

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:22:54 -0500
From: Donald E Sanders 

Subject: Re: GB> Ultimate mixers


Nice tubes but not good choice - too hard to find 
and usually $12 to $15 each.They have gone the 
way of the TV sweep tube linears. I just refurbished 
rig that used two in front end.
Donn W4BWS
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:28:39 -0500 Bob Kulow  writes:
> How about using two nuvistors, like the 6DS4 which is a
> remote-cutoff triode, in a Pullen mixer?
> 
> 73
> Bob WA2UEH
> 


Donald Sanders W4BWS
PO Box 459 
Fellsmere, Fl 32948
321-426-5023
w4bws@juno.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:34:43 +1100
From: "Ian C. Purdie" 

Subject: GB> ATTN: Scientists and pretenders


I'm in the hopeless process of assisting one of my grandson's with a serious
school assignment.

Jesse, is in year 5, he needs to research "Hurricanes and Cyclones".

Put that into Google and see how many "unprintable" pages emerge because of a
total obsession by amateurs with ludicrous backgrounds.

Sorry, I'm really angry here. Really, really angry.

You have a home page with valuable information? It isn't plain vanilla white
background? The page isn't readily printable?

You're a serial offender, print your page out. I'm so angry right now, I
impress upon my grand-kids the value of the internet, using your brains and
searching.

And guess what? I was just shot down in flames, my credibility is in shreds.

Check with Mr. Google for  "Hurricanes and Cyclones", see what you can
immediately print out.

72/73's

Ian

A.K.A. very cranky mouth....


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 04:07:38 -0600
From: dswart 

Subject: RE: GB> ATTN: Scientists and pretenders


If you go to "page setup" in your browser, or under "preferences" in some 
browsers, you can turn off printing of background colors and images. Works for 
me! You can also tell your browser to always print text as BLACK, which saves 
your butt when pages display white text on a black background.



>===== Original Message From "Ian C. Purdie"  
=====
>I'm in the hopeless process of assisting one of my grandson's with a serious
>school assignment.
>
>Jesse, is in year 5, he needs to research "Hurricanes and Cyclones".
>
>Put that into Google and see how many "unprintable" pages emerge because of a
>total obsession by amateurs with ludicrous backgrounds.
>
>Sorry, I'm really angry here. Really, really angry.
>
>You have a home page with valuable information? It isn't plain vanilla white
>background? The page isn't readily printable?
>
>You're a serial offender, print your page out. I'm so angry right now, I
>impress upon my grand-kids the value of the internet, using your brains and
>searching.
>
>And guess what? I was just shot down in flames, my credibility is in shreds.
>
>Check with Mr. Google for  "Hurricanes and Cyclones", see what you can
>immediately print out.
>
>72/73's
>
>Ian
>
>A.K.A. very cranky mouth....



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:25:04 -0600
From: Jim Isbell 

Subject: GB> The TDSL (Tube Data Sheet Locator) Personal Edition


I just found out about this free download that gives you tube data at 
your fingertips.

Just go to :

http://www.duncanamps.com/tdslpe/

and download it for data on 1700 tubes.


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:38:18 -0500
From: "Merz Donald S" 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


A friend of mine buys and sells tubes on the web and on eBay. He has been doing this for at least 6 years. It has been very lucrative for him. He caters to the audiophile and jukebox markets with almost no interest in ham stuff at all. I recently asked him why we see these wide variations in tube prices. The discussion was interesting.

It seems that certain audiophiles have made histories of tube manufacturing practices for specific tube types they are interested in. within each type, there are manufacturing variations that are highly prized and some regarded as proof that the tubes are junk. This goes way beyond the brand, sub-type (G, GT, GT/A, etc.) and date code of the tubes. These guys can read specific manufacturer codes to figure out which production line runs created a tube. 

If they don't have the tube data for this kind of analysis, they also focus heavily on the internal structure of the tube by visually inspecting it through the glass. This is why, when you advertise audiophile tubes on ebay, you will often get requests for close-up pictures of the tube that show its internals.

Bob says that when all the criteria are met for a tube--like a specific RCA 6SN7 with a specific date code and other manufacturing codes, and the tube is new in the original box, then prices soar. He does not claim to have it all mastered. But he knows the basics and looks for tubes that are considered most desirable by the audiophiles. 

I have recently been selling off accumulated 6SN7s and a weird 12AX7 low-mu variant called a 5751. I don't know enough about the 6SN7's to know what the deal is but there are some RCA variants that seem to be attracting serious dollars. Also note that due to the USA's enormous trade deficit, which is mostly due to buying of foreign oil, the dollar is weaker than ever overseas. So foreign buyers are very active right now.

It's a hell of a world, that's for sure.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
[mailto:owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu]On Behalf Of Tom Norris
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 1:55 PM
To: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
Subject: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Since the list is not too busy today... ahem....

What is the deal with audiophiles and 6SN7's? When online looking
for tubes, came across a fellow with a pair of them that *he does not
even know have been used or not* (no boxes) that is up over $150 with
a buy it now of $300 for a pair. Really wish I could figure out the formula
for selling my tubes on Ebay, if I were to sell them, they would bring no
more than $5 per, I'm sure....


Tom
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:01:18 -0500
From: "Merz Donald S" 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


As the original e-mailer admitted, he failed to check feedback. This is critical. You must check feedback. Anyone with less than 50-100 feedbacks is a questionmark. Anyone with negative feedbacks is a questionmark. Do you deal with these folks or not? You have a decision to make. It may not be that they intentionally defraud you. But they may be inexperienced at selling and packing--and cause the shipment to be ruined or very late just from sheer incompetence. Also look at their other auctions. If all the other stuff is Harlequin Romance paperback books and the item you are bidding on is an SX-88 in mint condition with a $499 BUY-IT-NOW, that is really suspicious.

Anyone with a ham callsign is usually okay--you can just look up their home address in QRZ, go to the phone book and most of the time have them on the phone in 5 minutes. But I have never found that necessary with hams. Hams are good to deal with.

For large purchases, I always use buyer protection from either PayPal or American Express. Yes, you have to pay for it--the free lunch still does not exist as far as I can tell. PayPal recovered $115 for me once when a buyer tried to rip me off. He had an AOL e-mail address so I should have known better. But PayPal saved the day. So I have proof that their system works.

Check Fortune magazine from about June of last year. They had a great analytical article about fraud on eBay and what eBay can and should do about it. Eventually, ecommerce sites will stop accepting anonymous e-mail addresses like yahoo, aol, hotmail and so forth. They will insist on a verifiable e-mail address. This is what the payment sites like PayPal require today. At that point, the fraud game will get a lot harder for the bad guys.

Last points: Never pay by Western Union money order for anything. WU Money orders are the bad guys currency of choice. And, probably obvious--but we all get caught up in hunting bargains--if it seems too good to be true, it isn't. Walk away.

73, Don Merz, N3RHT


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
[mailto:owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu]On Behalf Of Kim Herron
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:52 PM
To: john; Jim Isbell
Cc: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Hi John (et.al)
>At 05:36 PM 3/14/04 -0600, Jim Isbell wrote:
>
> >Ebay will ONLY work for you if you PAY them to do it....
>
>I  am finding this out! After several hundred successful transactions
>(mostly as a customer) over the past 5 years or so, I finally found
>a lunatic seller who's impossible to deal with
>It's really an interesting protection racket they have going ...
>
>John

         Do the rest of us a favor and let us know who these people are.
We (at least I) like to know these things so I can avoid these people.



Thanks!!

Kim Herron  W8ZV
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:36:24 -0500
From: Kim Herron 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Hi Gang,
>A friend of mine buys and sells tubes on the web and on eBay. He has been 
>doing this for at least 6 years. It has been very lucrative for him. He 
>caters to the audiophile and jukebox markets with almost no interest in 
>ham stuff at all. I recently asked him why we see these wide variations in 
>tube prices. The discussion was interesting.
>
>It seems that certain audiophiles have made histories of tube 
>manufacturing practices for specific tube types they are interested in. 
>within each type, there are manufacturing variations that are highly 
>prized and some regarded as proof that the tubes are junk. This goes way 
>beyond the brand, sub-type (G, GT, GT/A, etc.) and date code of the tubes. 
>These guys can read specific manufacturer codes to figure out which 
>production line runs created a tube.


      Yes I concur with Don,  I have a friend here that has gone even 
further than that in the audio market.  He has several tube testers that he 
uses and
has set up test beds for certain tubes that he can configure for certain 
amp designs.  He can then test these tubes for certain applications
and can GUARANTEE that it will perform as the original amp manufacturer 
intended.  He looks for noise in a tube with scope
in certain elements and can reject a tube that the rest of the world 
probably wouldn't call bad.  He only deals with about 25 numbers and
is EXTREMELY fussy about what he sell.  He has documentation on RCA and 
their facility, even owning one of their engineering manuals
that was never to be seen by the outside world.  He paid hundreds of 
dollars just for that book.  He has a shop that is bigger than my house
just for sorting and test tubes and has built an anechoic chamber for audio 
testing of the tube before it's sold.  I thought these people were
crazy and he tells me that there are many "snake oil salesman" out there, 
but I also now realize that what he say is true and he can prove it
via test gear and your ear (proved it to me).  He doesn't buy into the 
oxygen free wire and all that stuff, but he does have a point and a fellow
that is trying to obtain certain results can get what he wants from my friend.

Thanks!!

Kim  Herron
616-677-3706 


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:30:22 +0000
From: "Brad Hernlem" 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again



>From: "Merz Donald S" 

>As the original e-mailer admitted, he failed to check feedback. This is 
>critical. You must check feedback. Anyone with less than 50-100 feedbacks 
>is a questionmark. Anyone with negative feedbacks is a questionmark. Do you 
>deal with these folks or not? You have a decision to make. It may not be 
>that they intentionally defraud you. But they may be inexperienced at 
>selling and packing--and cause the shipment to be ruined or very late just 
>from sheer incompetence.


Sometimes excessive patience pays off. I have to agree with what Don states 
here. I once won a Weller soldering station and went through several months 
waiting to get it. Initially, I sent a check and waited ... and waited. It 
turned out the unit was sent to the wrong state. Eventually it got sent the 
right way but when it arrived, it failed to function. The seller had claimed 
that they had sold several of these and they were "like new". I wrote back 
to the seller to ask for a refund. The seller didn't return e-mails. I tried 
calling and eventually got through. Seller claimed that their computers were 
down due to a flood. I explained the state of the unit and that the iron 
appeared to be burned out. I said that I would accept if seller sent me a 
new iron or else I wanted my money back. Seller had no replacement irons but 
finally agreed to send my money back and did NOT want the unit shipped back. 
It took a while longer but eventually I got my money back.

As it turned out, and as I had suspected, the station was fine (looked brand 
new except for the burned iron) and all I had to do was buy a new iron to 
get it functioning. The cost of the brand new replacement iron was about the 
same as what I had bid on the whole thing so I ended up getting what I 
wanted even though it took a lot longer than expected.

The point of the story, though, is that this seller was clearly not 
experienced in handling the volume of sales traffic that they had set upon 
themself. Several "suspicious" excuses turned out to be legitimate ... or at 
least the seller proved honest in the end. A less patient buyer might have 
blown up before everything turned out OK.

Brad

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:01:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: wa4qal@ix.netcom.com

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


So, you're saying that that NOS 6SN7 that I picked up last week for $.50 was probably
a good deal?  I was also happy to get a NOS 5U4 for $.50, too.  :-)

On another note, I just happened to remember seeing a Tektronix 1L10 spectrum
analyzer plugin on the used shelf of a local radio shop for $10 (untested, no idea of
whether it worked or not).  I've been lusting after a spectrum analyzer for a number
of years, but I have 7000 series scopes, and the 1L10 won't fit those.

Dave
WA4QAL

-----Original Message-----
From: Merz Donald S 
Sent: Mar 15, 2004 9:38 AM
To: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again

A friend of mine buys and sells tubes on the web and on eBay. He has been doing this for at least 6 years. It has been very lucrative for him. He caters to the audiophile and jukebox markets with almost no interest in ham stuff at all. I recently asked him why we see these wide variations in tube prices. The discussion was interesting.

It seems that certain audiophiles have made histories of tube manufacturing practices for specific tube types they are interested in. within each type, there are manufacturing variations that are highly prized and some regarded as proof that the tubes are junk. This goes way beyond the brand, sub-type (G, GT, GT/A, etc.) and date code of the tubes. These guys can read specific manufacturer codes to figure out which production line runs created a tube. 

If they don't have the tube data for this kind of analysis, they also focus heavily on the internal structure of the tube by visually inspecting it through the glass. This is why, when you advertise audiophile tubes on ebay, you will often get requests for close-up pictures of the tube that show its internals.

Bob says that when all the criteria are met for a tube--like a specific RCA 6SN7 with a specific date code and other manufacturing codes, and the tube is new in the original box, then prices soar. He does not claim to have it all mastered. But he knows the basics and looks for tubes that are considered most desirable by the audiophiles. 

I have recently been selling off accumulated 6SN7s and a weird 12AX7 low-mu variant called a 5751. I don't know enough about the 6SN7's to know what the deal is but there are some RCA variants that seem to be attracting serious dollars. Also note that due to the USA's enormous trade deficit, which is mostly due to buying of foreign oil, the dollar is weaker than ever overseas. So foreign buyers are very active right now.

It's a hell of a world, that's for sure.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:06:03 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_N=D8JMY_-_AAR7FV?= 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Another point regarding feedback.  Don't give alot of weight to the
percentage.  Read the actual negative feedback AND the guy's response.  I
would have to say that you can spot most of the crack-pots by their
responses to negs.  "You LIE! This guy wants sumting (sic) for noting (sic)!
BLock Bidder!" for example.

Look for similarities in complaints.  One guy I know with a 98% rating who
has about 25 negs saying he misrepresented the condition of the item, and
about an equal number that say the item was damaged because of poor packing.
He has a nasty reply for each one.  Steer clear.

Last night a guy had a "NIB" PK-232 for $40 with no bids, though it was
ending.  A quick check of his negs showed, first of all, that he spelled
like a first grader, and secondly, that he would call something that was
inoperable and scratched "mint" and "working perfectly" --then when the
buyer complained and left a neg, he would respond "Thsi Buyer Lie!  Can't
read auction tems -no retuns means NO RETRUNS, DUMMY! F-"

For more in-depth insight, take a look at the feedback he leaves for others.
A true professional will leave feedback for a buyer as soon as he is paid,
or the check clears.  Beware of guys that "hold your feedback hostage" until
you, the buyer leave HIS feedback.

And while you're at it, it's relatively easy to spot guys who leave negative
feedback in retaliation for having received negative feedback from the
buyer.  I avoid these guys like plague.

If you're selling quite a bit on eBay, it's like owning any other
business...i.e. you shouldn't be a business owner unless you can accept the
certainty that you will have bad transactions and debts.  You can bank on
it, so anticipate it in your budget, like a real business does.  If you've
never owned a business, you need to understand that that's the way the
cookie crumbles when you're in business.  Always been that way.

If your buying on eBay, take the time to scope out the seller.  It's no more
effort than going to a  hamfest, it's just a different effort.  The fact is,
I've been burned buying at hamfests plenty of times, but I always knew that
this was possible before I made the deal.  Only been burned once on eBay,
and I would only rate it a first-degree burn.

Finally, they say you can't cheat an honest man.  I disagree...but many an
honest ham has been cheated because he became a little greedy and a little
careless in his excitement over the prospect of a deal in which he thought
he was going to cut a fat hog in the arse.

BTW, did I tell you the one about out the old sow that...oh, yeah.  Guess I
did.

Onnest Tom
"I shaft the ohter guy, and pass the svaings on to yew"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merz Donald S" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


> As the original e-mailer admitted, he failed to check feedback. This is
critical. You must check feedback. Anyone with less than 50-100 feedbacks is
a questionmark. Anyone with negative feedbacks is a questionmark. Do you
deal with these folks or not? You have a decision to make. It may not be
that they intentionally defraud you. But they may be inexperienced at
selling and packing--and cause the shipment to be ruined or very late just
from sheer incompetence. Also look at their other auctions. If all the other
stuff is Harlequin Romance paperback books and the item you are bidding on
is an SX-88 in mint condition with a $499 BUY-IT-NOW, that is really
suspicious.
>
> Anyone with a ham callsign is usually okay--you can just look up their
home address in QRZ, go to the phone book and most of the time have them on
the phone in 5 minutes. But I have never found that necessary with hams.
Hams are good to deal with.
>
> For large purchases, I always use buyer protection from either PayPal or
American Express. Yes, you have to pay for it--the free lunch still does not
exist as far as I can tell. PayPal recovered $115 for me once when a buyer
tried to rip me off. He had an AOL e-mail address so I should have known
better. But PayPal saved the day. So I have proof that their system works.
>
> Check Fortune magazine from about June of last year. They had a great
analytical article about fraud on eBay and what eBay can and should do about
it. Eventually, ecommerce sites will stop accepting anonymous e-mail
addresses like yahoo, aol, hotmail and so forth. They will insist on a
verifiable e-mail address. This is what the payment sites like PayPal
require today. At that point, the fraud game will get a lot harder for the
bad guys.
>
> Last points: Never pay by Western Union money order for anything. WU Money
orders are the bad guys currency of choice. And, probably obvious--but we
all get caught up in hunting bargains--if it seems too good to be true, it
isn't. Walk away.
>
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
> [mailto:owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu]On Behalf Of Kim Herron
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:52 PM
> To: john; Jim Isbell
> Cc: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
> Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again
>
>
> Hi John (et.al)
> >At 05:36 PM 3/14/04 -0600, Jim Isbell wrote:
> >
> > >Ebay will ONLY work for you if you PAY them to do it....
> >
> >I  am finding this out! After several hundred successful transactions
> >(mostly as a customer) over the past 5 years or so, I finally found
> >a lunatic seller who's impossible to deal with
> >It's really an interesting protection racket they have going ...
> >
> >John
>
>          Do the rest of us a favor and let us know who these people are.
> We (at least I) like to know these things so I can avoid these people.
>
>
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kim Herron  W8ZV
> 1-616-677-3706
>
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>



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:35:07 -0600
From: fkamp@comcast.net

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


I have been trading on the bay for over four years now.  I have nearly 400 sales and close to 60 purchases.   There have been times when I was dissapointed but I can't say that I was outright cheated.

During that time there was only one radio I purchased, (a Kenwood, 2-meter, all mode), that worked perfectly without any need for repair or tweaking.  That radio was purchased from a ham.  However, there were other radios purchased from other hams that did not fare as well.

I don't consider my experiences unique to the bay.  People are more apt to sell equipment they don't need.  Sometimes they don't need it because it is not working right. Sometimes they may even tell you that it is not up to par.  More usually, they really don't know there is something amiss (even if they are hams), other than a newer radio works better.

So, you pays your money and takes your chances.   Buying something sight unseen from someone you don't know on the bay is really not that much removed from buying something used at a hamfest.  Yes, you can see it at the hamfest, but you still don't know the fellow and usually can't check it out to see if it works as it should.

So, before buying used equipment, make sure you are prepared to do repairs if needed.  There is no such thing as used equipment in mint condition.  If it really were in mint condition, it would be advertised as being new.

I have learned to look for these phrases in an equipment description.

Mint condition
It worked the last time I used it.
It is working now but I can't guarantee it will not be damaged in shipping
I have no idea what this is.
I know nothing about this item.
The lights came on when I plugged it in and turned it on.
Buyer pays shipping AND HANDLING.

When is see these phrases, I avoid the auction.  I also avoid anything priced over $200 and stuff where the shipping is going to be more than the selling price.

Regards,
Frank Kamp
K5DKZ







Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:40:31 -0600
From: fkamp@comcast.net

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again




wa4qal@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> So, you're saying that that NOS 6SN7 that I picked up last week for $.50 was probably
> a good deal?  I was also happy to get a NOS 5U4 for $.50, too.  :-)
>

Good deal?  Yes, if they were good tubes.  I have seen tubes advertised as NOS in original boxes that had open filaments.

> On another note, I just happened to remember seeing a Tektronix 1L10 spectrum
> analyzer plugin on the used shelf of a local radio shop for $10 (untested, no idea of
> whether it worked or not).  I've been lusting after a spectrum analyzer for a number

Picky, picky, picky.  I would bet that thing has at least $10 worth of parts in it.  Heck, the salvagable hardware (nuts and bolts) should be worth at least that.

Regards,
Frank Kamp
K6DKZ


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:09:21 -0600
From: msmith@licor.com

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again






Hi Don,

Very good advice. i agree with all of that. I have been ePaying since 1999.
Only a couple bad experiences for me, one of which I will relate below.

I do have a question though. (I pay with postal money orders or cash) What
is it with Western Union money orders?? What could someone do with those
that they cannot do with a postal money order?  I don't get it.

> Last points: Never pay by Western Union money order for anything. WU
> Money orders are the bad guys currency of choice.

Ok, me story: Jim, N2EY, touted the tuning cap in the BC221 a few times, so
I decided I would see about getting one and check it out for myself. he
also said the rest of the parts in there are made of pure gold. Heck, the
price of gold these days, I could stand to be rich beyond measure if I
could get one of these!

So I look on epay and see a couple of them. One was $5, the other $7.95
starting bids. I bid on both, but only the starting bid, no higher. I
figured I would lose both auctions anyway. Well, I won both auctions. The
$5 one has a homebrew power supply with it. The $5 one needed about 24 in
shipping. Ok... about 5 times the auction price, but to get a shipment of
pure gold and be rich beyond belief was worth that.  This one is in
California.

The other one is in Florida. Ths guy wants the $7.95 and about $45 to ship
it, and it does not have any power supply or anything with it. I asked if
it was full of batteries or something, but no. I told him about the other
one and asked why his shipping is so high. I got the box dimentions and
wieght from him and plugged it into the UPS site and find it is WAY less
than what he wants. I asked him about that. He was adamant that this was
his price. Then he used the "shipping and HANDLING" words on me.

I figure he is disappointed in not having gotten rich beyond belief himself
and decided that he could gouge me some more. (this is one aspect of epay
that bugs me, you don't always have a clear view of what shipping will be)

So, I decided that rather than get gouged that much, that I would elect to
not have it shipped. I emailed him and said that I will send him $7.95 and
he can set it out for the trash or relist it. I think he gets the message.

( HEY... this gives me an idea... He is in Spring Hill, FL. Anyone here
live in that town that wants it??? I will send him the $7.95 and tell him
my associate will pick it up at his house. Then you can just keep it.
Remember, it's pure gold on the inside)  Just let me know if you want it.
Gary???? Bry??? where is he in relation to your QTH?)

I will get the other one and its power supply and call up the car dealer
and order a new minivan with all the options. It will be so nice to just
pay cash for a car! Thanks Jim, I can't wait to sit in the lap of luxury.

One other thought on ePay: Does anyone else get bugged by people that put
up stuff on QTH.net or other places like that, and you click on it, only to
find they are just advertising their ePay auction?  The reason I go to QTH
or whereever, it to find something that is NOT on ePay....

I think I will put up a couple 6SN7s... gee, mine have black plates.

73
Michael




Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:03:39 -0500
From: "Merz Donald S" 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Thanks for your note. WU money orders do not have to be delivered to an address. The recipient can pick them up at any local WU agent--like a drug store. A WU MO recipient is not traceable in any of the easy, conventional ways that you or I might use.

BTW, a postal MO is no protection at all. All the advantages of a postal MO payment accrue to the person receiving the MO and none to the sender. Yes, you can file a mail fraud claim. Yes, you can follow up with your state and local fraud authorities. But NOTHING will happen. Nothing. Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt and used it for a rag. Postal MOs are a complete waste of money. Unless you are the recipient. Then they are a great form of guaranteed payment.

I sometimes buy and sell pro audio music equipment. You want scum? Try the music business. 50% of all deals fall through for one reason or another. You cannot trust a soul. The pro audio business taught me a lesson--Amex or PayPal. Anything else and I am out.

73, Don Merz, N3RHT


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
[mailto:owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu]On Behalf Of
msmith@licor.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:09 PM
To: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again






Hi Don,

Very good advice. i agree with all of that. I have been ePaying since 1999.
Only a couple bad experiences for me, one of which I will relate below.

I do have a question though. (I pay with postal money orders or cash) What
is it with Western Union money orders?? What could someone do with those
that they cannot do with a postal money order?  I don't get it.

> Last points: Never pay by Western Union money order for anything. WU
> Money orders are the bad guys currency of choice.

Ok, me story: Jim, N2EY, touted the tuning cap in the BC221 a few times, so
I decided I would see about getting one and check it out for myself. he
also said the rest of the parts in there are made of pure gold. Heck, the
price of gold these days, I could stand to be rich beyond measure if I
could get one of these!

So I look on epay and see a couple of them. One was $5, the other $7.95
starting bids. I bid on both, but only the starting bid, no higher. I
figured I would lose both auctions anyway. Well, I won both auctions. The
$5 one has a homebrew power supply with it. The $5 one needed about 24 in
shipping. Ok... about 5 times the auction price, but to get a shipment of
pure gold and be rich beyond belief was worth that.  This one is in
California.

The other one is in Florida. Ths guy wants the $7.95 and about $45 to ship
it, and it does not have any power supply or anything with it. I asked if
it was full of batteries or something, but no. I told him about the other
one and asked why his shipping is so high. I got the box dimentions and
wieght from him and plugged it into the UPS site and find it is WAY less
than what he wants. I asked him about that. He was adamant that this was
his price. Then he used the "shipping and HANDLING" words on me.

I figure he is disappointed in not having gotten rich beyond belief himself
and decided that he could gouge me some more. (this is one aspect of epay
that bugs me, you don't always have a clear view of what shipping will be)

So, I decided that rather than get gouged that much, that I would elect to
not have it shipped. I emailed him and said that I will send him $7.95 and
he can set it out for the trash or relist it. I think he gets the message.

( HEY... this gives me an idea... He is in Spring Hill, FL. Anyone here
live in that town that wants it??? I will send him the $7.95 and tell him
my associate will pick it up at his house. Then you can just keep it.
Remember, it's pure gold on the inside)  Just let me know if you want it.
Gary???? Bry??? where is he in relation to your QTH?)

I will get the other one and its power supply and call up the car dealer
and order a new minivan with all the options. It will be so nice to just
pay cash for a car! Thanks Jim, I can't wait to sit in the lap of luxury.

One other thought on ePay: Does anyone else get bugged by people that put
up stuff on QTH.net or other places like that, and you click on it, only to
find they are just advertising their ePay auction?  The reason I go to QTH
or whereever, it to find something that is NOT on ePay....

I think I will put up a couple 6SN7s... gee, mine have black plates.

73
Michael 
  
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:16:42 -0600
From: Jim Isbell 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again




fkamp@comcast.net wrote:

>I also avoid anything priced over $200 and stuff where the shipping is going to be more than the selling price.
>  
>

Interesting comment because I have bought things that were quite 
expensive, even a motorhome, on the internet and found no real problems. 
BUT....I had someone I trusted inspect the item and in the case of the 
Motorhome, drive it.

On the other hand the worst I got burned as a Seller...didnt really lose 
any money, just a bogus bidder that ran the bid up (from Korea) and then 
wouldnt pay...was a radio that went to $250 and should have gone at $50.

The biggest thing I ever sold was a 44 foot steel hulled Schooner (16 
tons) that went for $25,200 and the transaction went smoothly....of 
course he was getting a $100,000 boat of 25 cents on the dollar.


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:24:03 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_N=D8JMY_-_AAR7FV?= 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again



>
> Then he used the "shipping and HANDLING" words on me.
> I figure he decided that he could ...gouge me some more. (this is one
aspect of epay
> that bugs me, you don't always have a clear view of what shipping will be)
>
Mike (another satisifed customer of your humble "ponyengine", by the way)
has brought up another point...the matter of "handling".  This is a huge
controversy amongst eBay sellers, and I won't go into that.  But, be advised
that when you sign up for eBay, you are certifying that you will be bound by
the auction terms.  If shipping and handling is not spelled out and you
don't inquire before leg, you haven't got a hand to stand on.

Lots of people just flat will not buy from anyone who doesn't give a fixed
S&H price.  If you see something worth the money, but have doubts about S&H,
send an e-mail (it's only two clicks) and pin the guy down.  Watch out for
"buyer to pay ACTUAL shipping costs".  Most people who say this are legit,
but some will say that their shipping cost ACTUALLY includes boxes, peanuts,
tape, labels, ink, labor to pack @$50/hr, gasoline to P.O., depreciation on
car, tire wear, liability insurance, self-employment tax, etc. etc. etc.
Many will only ship priority, because the P.O. furnishes the boxes for free.

Instead, look for a guy, say, like me (heh, hehhh).  I am loathe to put a
fixed shipping cost in the ad, because I would have to make it high enough
to cover a worst case scenario.  I want my customers to get the lowest total
payment they can get because it makes me look good.  So, if you look a one
of my ads, you'll see that all you have to do is scroll down to my
"ZonAlyzer" and enter your zip code (or country) and click the button.
Wham-o!  There's your total shipping cost (except optional insurance),
usually with two options.  Often Priority doesn't get to the customer any
quicker that 1st Class but costs a couple bucks more.  I give you the
choice.  If you read further you'll see that the good ol' proprietor of
"theponyengine" tells you that what you a paying for is his actual cost of
postage or freight, + delivery confirmation (or Certificate of Mailing if
it's out of the country).  You'll also note that he specifically states that
you are not being charged for materials or handling.  He tells you about
insurance and that it isn't included, and what happens if if the freight
company damages it.  Couldn't do it better myself... I mean, uh...

Also, you'll see a return policy that doesn't leave a whole lot to the
imagination.  This is the kind of guy I like.

> One other thought on ePay: Does anyone else get bugged by people that put
> up stuff on QTH.net or other places like that, and you click on it, only
to
> find they are just advertising their ePay auction?

Some newsgroups state that they don't want auction ads on there group.  A
decent eBay guy gets the group's FAQ before posting, to see if he's welcome
or not.  Then, if he is, it is common courtesy for a decent eBayer to put
the letters "FA:" at the beginning of his subject line, so that those not
interested in auctions can just hit the delete button.  Guys that violate
this rule are asking to get flamed publically and sometimes quite
hilariously as well.

> I think I will put up a couple 6SN7s... gee, mine have black plates.

Good luck.  If they are Sylvania chrome-tops with triangle plates and green
lettering you should do okay.  I sold a couple for ten bucks + freight to a
guy in Austria, I think it was, a few weeks ago.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071184892

"...and we thank you for shopping "theponyengine"
Tom



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:42:28 -0600
From: "Sandy W5TVW" 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


I had a piece of gear that some Jap bid on and won, then he didn't want to pay the
shipping costs.  Insisted on another carrier that didn't exist or have a web site.  I
had told him ahead of time shipping was going to be expensive, but he outbid everyone
else in spite of that.  Too add to it he gave a nasty negative feedback note.
Some you win some you lose!
73,
Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Isbell" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


|
|
| fkamp@comcast.net wrote:
|
| >I also avoid anything priced over $200 and stuff where the shipping is going to be
more than the selling price.
| >
| >
|
| Interesting comment because I have bought things that were quite
| expensive, even a motorhome, on the internet and found no real problems.
| BUT....I had someone I trusted inspect the item and in the case of the
| Motorhome, drive it.
|
| On the other hand the worst I got burned as a Seller...didnt really lose
| any money, just a bogus bidder that ran the bid up (from Korea) and then
| wouldnt pay...was a radio that went to $250 and should have gone at $50.
|
| The biggest thing I ever sold was a 44 foot steel hulled Schooner (16
| tons) that went for $25,200 and the transaction went smoothly....of
| course he was getting a $100,000 boat of 25 cents on the dollar.
|
|


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:03:17 -0600
From: Jim Isbell 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


On the subject of Red Flags in an auction, there is an interesting piece 
of Collins equipment for sale right now that has a RED flag in the text. 
 Its  #3084137408.  In the text the seller says he has made several 
contacts on 40 meters and on 75 meters and had favorable comments on the 
signal.  His quote is that the signal reports all were  "you sound very 
loud".  Now I have never heard a Ham give such a signal report in the 
40+ years I have been a Ham..  This really sounds fishy to me.  I'll bet 
he never got it on the air!




Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:10:44 -0600
From: Tom Norris 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Michael Smith wrote....
>I do have a question though. (I pay with postal money orders or cash) What
>is it with Western Union money orders?? What could someone do with those
>that they cannot do with a postal money order?  I don't get it.
>
>>  Last points: Never pay by Western Union money order for anything. WU
>>  Money orders are the bad guys currency of choice.

Indeed. I have always wondered about WU money orders
myself. I do understand, and share, the reluctance to buy from
someone who is "cash or money order only" especially if they seller
has one piece of electronic gear out of a thousand listing for Avon
bottles, used baby clothes and romance novels, and has
worded the listing as "I have no idea what this is/how to test/
if it works, etc." I quickly run away from the same type of seller
who says all that, but adds "but I know it is working properly"
(even though they have no idea what the thing is!) as well as
lists it as "AS IS" on top of all that. The "I have no idea what
it is" line is especially annoying when it is a military item with
a clearly marked name plate on the front!! Bonus point go to
the seller of a clearly marked/tagged military item if they
give some wild off the mark description that contradicts
the clearly photographed ID tag. Even more bonus point if I
email the seller the correct identity of the item and they
reply back with hate mail. Misspellings don't bother me that
much as I always have to use spell check myself. But...
There is one seller -- a nationally recognized ham radio store
that will go unnamed -- that gets a special "spelling award"
for selling Saratoga PSK interfaces by the name of
"saragoga" even after a couple emails alerting them to
that error. The listing shows the logos of the items they
sell, including Saratoga, but they simply hit "relist" and
don't pay it any mind, the fellow who answered my email
admitted. Grr.

I have listed items "as is" that I have been too lazy or unable
to test and I say so in the listing. But I don't tell the buyer
that an item that I have no clue about works fine!

>(this is one aspect of epay
>that bugs me, you don't always have a clear view of what shipping will be)

I agree. I wonder what other realization, other than greed,
can make one charge that much handling? I have seen small
items with $20+ handing fees . I could take a half dozen packages
to a pack and ship place for that price should I not want to pack
them myself. And the same thing goes for insurance. I almost bid on
a couple items from one seller recently, then I noticed that insurance
was $12 per item, handling was another $10, plus $15 shipping, overnight
via Airborne Express only, no combining shipments for discount.
The items were *buy it now* $15 DMMs!  Needless to say, I didn't buy.

I have seen folks list $1 items have similar or EVEN HIGHER
"handling fees." See it a lot with small computer parts, mostly.
The sad part is folks seemed to be bidding/buying their items
regularly. I guess they rely on folks not reading the fine
print...

But... when I have sold stuff, I have had folk refuse to pay if they
had to pay a nickle over shipping, they  did not care if I had to
buy new packing material in order to ship it safely - even if
I list that I may have to do so. A couple of years ago I had a
$2900 radio already packed and ready to ship overseas, and
the guy refused to pay because he looked up the shipping
charges and I asked $20 more than BAX Global did on their
web page. I had in the listing that "extra packing materials may
be needed at additional cost depending on destination." The
item was a nice (@LOOK@ MINT @WOW@) 51S1, and didn't
have the proper sized boxes or foam to double box it, so had to
buy new. Amazing that if he could afford *that much* for the
radio, he could have spent the extra for me to pack it properly.
No gouging, just the cost of materials. I re-listed and sold it a
week later for about the same price to guy in the states. (this
guy insisted I not put any sort on invoice inside, so I'm pretty
sure it was just on its way to Japan as the first listing was. I
have no problem with selling radios to Japanese collectors, if
they appreciate them, that's a good thing. Especially if they
want to pay that kind of price for a radio.)

Also, when I have listed "ballpark" or flat rate shipping,
instead of "actual plus any packing materials needed"
I have almost always gotten emails accusing me of price inflation.
Cant' win either way it seems. Had a fellow bid and win an
item I had listed back several months ago and he *refused*
to pay my flat rate that was listed. Raised all kinds of heck,
talked about emailing Ebay and having me removed for price
gouging, etc. So I agreed with him, and charged him exactly
what it cost to ship. Actual shipping was about $5 more than
my original flat rate, but he was happy with that price - I guess
because he could go to UPS web page and look up the cost and
be satisfied he did not pay a penny more than the shipping rate.

All in all, I've had very good luck on ebay both buying and
selling. Part of it is because I do some of the very same
"check the seller" things that have been suggested. I have
only had to do one refund - this past week for an item sold
in December that I promised was not DOA. Turned out to
not work 100%, so they are sending it back. Only one negative
as a buyer, that was my first actual purchase on ebay --
a $1 bumper sticker from a guy in Georgia. I kept emailing
him and asking shipping cost, address to send payment, etc.
He never answered ANY of the emails, but gave me negative
feedback for nonpayment!

It's all part of having fun on Ebay, I suppose. Now off to find
my graphite plate, gold pinned, silica glass bronze based 6SN7s
I have around here somewhere. :-)

Tom





Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:46:29 EST
From: TelegrapherQRF@aol.com

Subject: GB> Fwd: ID'ing Crystals



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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:42:38 EST
Subject: ID'ing Crystals
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   Hello Lists

   I am asking for help locating and posessing a copy of ?? pamphlet -?? 
couple of individual loose pages/ papers ?? - however configuered.

   The title is " Identifying Surplus Crystals" .....case styles , holders, 
and military channel lists.

   I do not know how many pages are involved . I do not know what 
organization or person put it together. I am not sure (but believe) that this is the 
precise title.

   Infotronics sold his one copy a year ago to someone whose name he did not 
know.!!

   ALSO;   ........what is the most likely CW or crystal reflector I might 
put this question toward  ?

   Reply directly or to the group 

  73           Dick
                                        P.S.         where did all those 
Case-140's go ????

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   Hello Lists

   I am asking for help locating and posessing a copy of ?? pamphl= et -?? couple of individual loose pages/ papers ?? - however configuered.
   The title is " Identifying Surplus Crystals" .....case styles ,= holders, and military channel lists.

   I do not know how many pages are involved . I do not know what=20= organization or person put it together. I am not sure (but believe) that thi= s is the precise title.

   Infotronics sold his one copy a year ago to someone whose name=20= he did not know.!!

   ALSO;   ........what is the most likely CW or crystal= reflector I might put this question toward  ?

   Reply directly or to the group

  73           Dick             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =   P.S.         where did all th= ose Case-140's go ????
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:35:08 -0600
From: Tom Norris 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again



Jim Isbell  wrote -
>Interesting comment because I have bought things that were quite 
>expensive, even a motorhome, on the internet and found no real 
>problems. BUT....I had someone I trusted inspect the item and in the 
>case of the Motorhome, drive it.

There was a recent thread on the Mercedes diesel list about buying 
selling vehicles
on ebay, always recommended doing just that because most old M-B diesels seem
to go for more than they are worth.

As well as radios, I have bought and sold cars on Ebay. Only bought one that I
could not drive first, and that was a mistake. I have sold 7 older Mercedes
diesels, plus one 1962 Unimog. (GB/BA content - it was an ex- Bundeswehr radio
truck that was originally stocked with lots of heavy tube gear. This was the
type of truck that I was commenting still had GRC-9's in them that were
inventoried through the 1990's. Mine was pretty much stripped of radio gear,
though.)

Never had a problem with any of the sales since the folks came by in person
to pick them up and paid by certified check after seeing the vehicle in person.
It's amazing how for some folks with drive to trailer home a parts car. Radios
are much much easier to ship!

Tom


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:52:37 -0600
From: msmith@licor.com

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again






> But... when I have sold stuff, I have had folk refuse to pay if they
> had to pay a nickle over shipping, they  did not care if I had

I tell them that the shipping cost is what I calculated it will be rounded
up to the nearest dollar. If shipping is more than that, I make it up. If
it is more than a dollar too high, I send them the refund. Never had a
complaint on shipping cost.

Anyone down there in Florida want that BC221?  I went to the post office at
lunch time and mailed some stuff, but held that guy's payment back in case
someone wants to pick it up and have it.

Michael



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:54:16 EST
From: Tbs50A@aol.com

Subject: GB> Could anyone use a scope cart?



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I got a Tektronix cart model C with drawer and power plug in good shape. If 
you can use it you can have it. Would prefer pickup in the Phila. Pa area but 
can ship. Pic's available
Terry N3GTE

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I got a Tektronix cart model C with draw= er and power plug in good shape. If you can use it you can have it. Would pr= efer pickup in the Phila. Pa area but can ship. Pic's available<= /DIV>
Terry N3GTE
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:13:28 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_N=D8JMY_-_AAR7FV?= 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Tom, I'd like to hear some pointers from you about selling vehicles on eBay
sometime at your convenience.  I've got a '72 Charger Rallye with the 440
magnum I want to sell on eBay, but have no experience with eBay Motors and
am therefore a little nervous.  They tell me it's sort of rare, just a few
hundred built.

73,
Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Norris" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


>
> Jim Isbell  wrote -
> >Interesting comment because I have bought things that were quite
> >expensive, even a motorhome, on the internet and found no real
> >problems. BUT....I had someone I trusted inspect the item and in the
> >case of the Motorhome, drive it.
>
> There was a recent thread on the Mercedes diesel list about buying
> selling vehicles
> on ebay, always recommended doing just that because most old M-B diesels
seem
> to go for more than they are worth.
>
> As well as radios, I have bought and sold cars on Ebay. Only bought one
that I
> could not drive first, and that was a mistake. I have sold 7 older
Mercedes
> diesels, plus one 1962 Unimog. (GB/BA content - it was an ex- Bundeswehr
radio
> truck that was originally stocked with lots of heavy tube gear. This was
the
> type of truck that I was commenting still had GRC-9's in them that were
> inventoried through the 1990's. Mine was pretty much stripped of radio
gear,
> though.)
>
> Never had a problem with any of the sales since the folks came by in
person
> to pick them up and paid by certified check after seeing the vehicle in
person.
> It's amazing how for some folks with drive to trailer home a parts car.
Radios
> are much much easier to ship!
>
> Tom
>



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:10:18 -0700
From: w5xe@juno.com

Subject: Re: GB> Fwd: ID'ing Crystals


Don't recognize the addresser and not expecting
any attachments, so have deleted the information
that was attached.  sorry for any inconvenience
this may have caused.

Ray
"Politicians are like nappies.  Both should be 
changed regularly -- and for the same reason"
"Scotsman - Scotsman's Diary 12/97"
Ray Colbert, W5XE, OOTC#3618, SOWP#1064M SOC#78 
fp #111 ARCI-5784 NCT2R El Paso,(FAR WEST) TEXAS


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:06:23 -0600
From: Tom Norris 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


I think my favorite of the clueless seller looking for clueless
buyer auctions was last year or  the year before there was a
guy selling a 75S3 that "transmits fine, made many contacts
with this" !!! All his other items were, of course estate finds
that he had no idea about. Most were marked "don't know
anything about the item, but it works fine" or similar wording.

What is it about the estate hunters out there? We had a local
Hunter by the name of Chuck Grossman. Everything he sold was
"rare" -- had rotted RAKs and RALs with no paint for $200,
a beat up ART-13 with holes in it for $500, stuff like that.
His plain old broadcast radios were priced as badly.
And he used to boast about getting truckloads of stuff like
this for under $100 - TO HIS CUSTOMERS! When he was
moving to Florida, he had three semi-trailer loads of this
stuff, I think he sells it on ebay every now and again. Not
sure if he took all three trailerloads with him. Conard (WS4S)
may remember his ebay ID...

The good thing about this guy when he was up here in
Nashville is that all his tubes were just a couple bucks,
audiophiles only a bit more. And he checked all the used
ones when you bought them, so no pig in a poke tubes.

LOL

Tom


Jim Isbell
>On the subject of Red Flags in an auction, there is an interesting 
>piece of Collins equipment for sale right now that has a RED flag in 
>the text. Its  #3084137408.  In the text the seller says he has made 
>several contacts on 40 meters and on 75 meters and had favorable 
>comments on the signal.  His quote is that the signal reports all 
>were  "you sound very loud".  Now I have never heard a Ham give such 
>a signal report in the 40+ years I have been a Ham..  This really 
>sounds fishy to me.  I'll bet he never got it on the air!


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:21:43 -0600
From: "Freeberg, Scott (STP)" 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Since we're on the subject, my favorite is the "I don't know what it is, but its rare and my high starting bid reflects it" :)))))
73, Scott WA9WFA

-


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:29:38 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_N=D8JMY_-_AAR7FV?= 

Subject: GB> I need a trucker...Iowa to Colorado


Well, I believe I'll be in a position to test the trucker/RVer freight
system sometime in the coming days or weeks.  The freight is a TX-1.  It is
bound for Colorado Springs, but the recipient can meet you at truck-stop E.
of Denver.  The pickup point can be about anywhere in N.E. 1/4 of Iowa,
including along I-80 from Iowa City to Brooklyn,  I-35 at Mason City,
anywhere on I-380/Avenue of the Saints route N. of I-80, Cedar Rapids,
Waterloo, whatever.

I will assist in loading, recipient will assist in unloading.  If your goin'
my way in the next month, please contact me and give me an idea as to how
you would like to be compensated.

Thanks,
Tom



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:11:30 +0000
From: "Brad Hernlem" 

Subject: GB> Capacitor Plate Spacing


Getting off the EBay topic for a bit, could someone explain to me the 
definition of spacing in air variable capacitors? When one reads that a 
certain capacitor has 1/4" spacing, is it the spacing of the actual air gap 
or the spacing between the midpoints of the blades?

I found up a couple of big caps at the industrial/commercial surplus joint a 
few days ago. One of them is made by National, is split stator 100 pF per 
section and has thick plates which are spaced every 1/2" if you consider the 
midpoints on the stator or rotor. This means that the spacing of the plates 
is 1/4" back and forth between the stator and rotor but the actual air gaps 
are more like 3/16".

So what is the correct spacing spec for that unit? 1/4" or 3/16" (or 1/2")?

Brad

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:55:02 -0800
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 

Subject: RE: GB> Fwd: ID'ing Crystals


Ditto. 

I expect it's benign... Someone posting a message in HTML and the mailing
list stripped the text and wrapped it in an attachment. 

But I never take chances, in spite of a current virus checker on the system.


Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
[mailto:owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu] On Behalf Of w5xe@juno.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:10 PM
To: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
Subject: Re: GB> Fwd: ID'ing Crystals


Don't recognize the addresser and not expecting
any attachments, so have deleted the information
that was attached.  sorry for any inconvenience
this may have caused.

Ray
"Politicians are like nappies.  Both should be 
changed regularly -- and for the same reason"
"Scotsman - Scotsman's Diary 12/97"
Ray Colbert, W5XE, OOTC#3618, SOWP#1064M SOC#78 
fp #111 ARCI-5784 NCT2R El Paso,(FAR WEST) TEXAS




Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:55:55 -0500
From: john 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


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At 10:01 AM 3/15/04 -0500, Merz Donald S wrote:
>Check Fortune magazine from about June of last year. They had a great
analytical article about fraud on eBay and what eBay can and should do
about it. Eventually, ecommerce sites will stop accepting anonymous e-mail
addresses like yahoo, aol, hotmail and so forth. They will insist on a
verifiable e-mail address. This is what the payment sites like PayPal
require today. At that point, the fraud game will get a lot harder for the
bad guys.

They better get a handle on SPAM prior to that, or they wont have any
customers.  Giving a merchant your real e-address is almost the kiss of
death, these days...

John K5MO

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:11:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Glen Zook 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


AOL addresses are "valid", not anonymous.  AOL is the
ISP for millions of people.  Now, yahoo, like what I
use for things like reflectors that seem to acquire a
lot of SPAM, is an anonymous E-Mail address if you so
choose.  I do have E-Mail addresses through my ISP and
I don't try to "hide" them.  Unfortunately, I do get a
small number of SPAM messages to those E-Mail
addresses, but nothing like what I get on yahoo.

I don't use AOL but my wife has several relatives and
I have a number of friends who do use it as their ISP.

Glen, K9STH


--- john  wrote:

Eventually, ecommerce sites will stop accepting
anonymous e-mail addresses like yahoo, aol, hotmail
and so forth. They will insist on a verifiable e-mail address.

=====
Glen, K9STH

Web sites

http://home.comcast.net/~k9sth
http://home.comcast.net/~zcomco

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:20:09 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_N=D8JMY_-_AAR7FV?= 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john" 

> They better get a handle on SPAM prior to that, or they wont have any
> customers.  Giving a merchant your real e-address is almost the kiss of
> death, these days...
>

Not really sure about what you mean, John.  Are you meaning giving eBay your
e-address?  I've got one address that I use for eBay and PayPal only.  Had
it for quite a few months now.  At first I always had my ISP filter the spam
and automatically delete it.  Awhile back I changed my configuration to
shunt the spam to a separate folder so I could see if I was missing anything
legitimate.  So far, not a single e-mail, bulk, spam, or otherwise, has
shown up (knock on wood).

Right now, the problem that worries me is that sometimes my invoices or
other legitimate e-mail to my customers wind up being filtered at their end.
Time goes by and they think I'm slow to respond, which is not good for
business.  I don't know how to solve that one other than putting a message
on the auction that warns potential bidders of this problem.  Which is what
I do.  Looking at people's feedback, you often see buyers leaving negs
saying that the seller never followed up after the auction and ignored
e-mails -- then the seller says he never received any e-mails from the buyer
and will gladly rectify the situation.  I wonder how often this is really a
spam filter issue?

73,
Tom

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:30:08 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" 

Subject: Re: GB> FT-243 crystals...


> Er.... ePay says:
> 
> "This seller is not currently offering any items for sale."

Huh?  Check Item number: 3085158307

Did I write the incorrect seller's name?.... 

Ken W7EKB


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:33:52 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" 

Subject: Re: GB> FT-243 crystals...


> Ken,
> 
> I came up empty searching for this seller, nothing current and nothing
> under completed auctions.  Sure you got the right guy?
> 
> 73, Bob W9RAN
Obviously not. Try this Item number: 3085158307 

Sorry about that, fellows.

Ken W7EKB


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:05:36 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" 

Subject: Re: GB> SW-3 Refreshing Simplicity...usable sensitivity...


On 10 Mar 2004 at 11:19, lew t. fitch wrote:

> The noise levels at frequencies below 30 MHz or so are so high that
> the limit on a receiver is not its sensitivity, but whether the signal
> exceeds the noise.  Most tube sets are lots more sensitive than they
> need to be. A short piece of wire will produce microvolts of noise, so
> a nanovolt sensitivity is wasted. Using a highly directive antenna
> will help in that the signal to noise ratio in a particular direction
> is improved, but the noise still is the limit. Lew W4VRV

Lew:

In general, what you say above may be true. However, the noise 
level is NOT steady and constant, but can vary possibly as 
much as 30 db. The average noise level is just that: an average.

Speaking from experience, even on 80 meters, sub-microvolt 
receiver sensitivity can be a big help to dig the weak ones out of 
even a low noise level at times.

I prefer to have the lowest internally generated noise and the 
highest sensitivity, combined with good over-load capability as I 
can get. There are times when a receiver with poorer 
preformance simply won't cut it.

Ken W7EKB


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:12:29 -0800
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 

Subject: RE: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


I haven't had any spam problems with e-bay or paypal either. Long ago I used
to have a yahoo account to give out, but haven't bothered in a couple of
years now. I use just my "main" e-mail address for everything. 

I get 50 or so e-mails a day - I have two businesses and personal stuff that
gets regular e-mails. Among the daily mail are two or three - if that -
SPAMs each day. 

I don't give my e-mail to any site that doesn't promise to keep it close. In
my own business, NO one gets anyone's e-mail address from me for any reason.
We don't sell, trade or give away any e-mail addresses, EVER! 

>From where I sit, the SPAM situation has gotten a LOT better over the past
couple of years. 

Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu] On Behalf Of Tom NØJMY -
AAR7FV
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:20 PM
To: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu; john
Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john" 

> They better get a handle on SPAM prior to that, or they wont have any 
> customers.  Giving a merchant your real e-address is almost the kiss 
> of death, these days...
>

Not really sure about what you mean, John.  Are you meaning giving eBay your
e-address?  I've got one address that I use for eBay and PayPal only.  Had
it for quite a few months now.  At first I always had my ISP filter the spam
and automatically delete it.  Awhile back I changed my configuration to
shunt the spam to a separate folder so I could see if I was missing anything
legitimate.  So far, not a single e-mail, bulk, spam, or otherwise, has
shown up (knock on wood).

Right now, the problem that worries me is that sometimes my invoices or
other legitimate e-mail to my customers wind up being filtered at their end.
Time goes by and they think I'm slow to respond, which is not good for
business.  I don't know how to solve that one other than putting a message
on the auction that warns potential bidders of this problem.  Which is what
I do.  Looking at people's feedback, you often see buyers leaving negs
saying that the seller never followed up after the auction and ignored
e-mails -- then the seller says he never received any e-mails from the buyer
and will gladly rectify the situation.  I wonder how often this is really a
spam filter issue?

73,
Tom

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:01:17 -0500
From: john 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


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At 05:20 PM 3/15/04 -0600, Tom N=D8JMY - AAR7FV wrote:
>
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "john" 
>
>> They better get a handle on SPAM prior to that, or they wont have any
>> customers.  Giving a merchant your real e-address is almost the kiss of
>> death, these days...
>>
>
>Not really sure about what you mean, John.  Are you meaning giving eBay=
 your
>e-address?  I've got one address that I use for eBay and PayPal only.  Had
>it for quite a few months now.  At first I always had my ISP filter the=
 spam
>and automatically delete it.  Awhile back I changed my configuration to
>shunt the spam to a separate folder so I could see if I was missing=
 anything
>legitimate.  So far, not a single e-mail, bulk, spam, or otherwise, has
>shown up (knock on wood).

Ebay and Paypal both do a pretty good job in regards spam....other
merchants vary all over the map.  There's been some scouring of
certain of the lists I'm on, as I now see an occasional spam to
this address, even though I use it only when I have to (as I recall,=20
EPay wont accept yahoo/hotmail/other throwaway accounts).

My address at work is much more publically used, and therefore
abused. I get between 100-200 spam messages a *day* at that
address.=20

John

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:45:06 -0600
From: Tom Norris 

Subject: Re: GB> Grossman?


>
>Tom:
>Did Chuck live on the west side (Nashville) down a street
>that had a huge hill to the north?   (that's a real clear
>explanation, right?)  :-)
>
>I spent a number of weeks there three summers ago working

[snip]

Lived somewhere past Bellemeade going toward Belleview.

Yep, he had a big sale the year he moved to Florida. I really
do miss his shop "Hardware, Etc" Used to spend lots of time
just hanging out there and talking about old radios and
old surplus gear. Chuck is a very knowledgeable guy when
it comes to his antique and surplus radio collecting. Nice
guy too, and a vet with lots of interesting stories to tell.
Just never could afford to buy anything other than tubes.
Hopefully he is enjoying his second retirement in Florida.

Think the owners of the building he leased for the radio
"museum" just refused to maintain the building while
going up on rent, forcing him out in favor of more
"appropriate" (read "trendy") clientele. The only business
that has been in that space since he left was only in there
for a couple months. The place was empty last time I checked.


73,
Tom
KA4RKT


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:32:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Claude 

Subject: GB> 450 ohm antenna question


     I have an antenna question that I would like to
present to the group....
     I would like to put up a dedicated 40 meter
antenna for the low end of the CW band, appx 7.040....
I would like to feed it with 450 ohm feedline, and not
use an antenna tuner.... 
     My setup is this....
     I have about 65 feet to work with (total), but
really would like it in a shorter space.... I can only
get about 20 to 30 feet off the ground at best....
     I will be using my homemade 6AG7/6L6 CW
transmitter, its output power is 8 watts at the
antenna terminal.... IT needs to be effiecient as
possible.... The transmitter will load perfectly into
a 450 dummy load, it will not load into a 300, or 50
ohm dummy load.... The reason for this was the choice
of variable capacitors that I had avialable to use....
Its output stage is a variable capacitor tuning for
the plate and an output coil for the antenna side....
I Wish I could have used a pi-network, but did not
have the variable capacitors to do so....
     I would like to connect the 450 ohm twin lead to
the output of the transmitter and go directly to the
antenna..... But what lengths, and connection
points...????
     I have some ideas, but really would like to hear
the groups thoughts as to a proven way to do this with
the above conditions..... I thought that I knew until
I started looking around as what to build..... 
     I Thank everyone ahead of time for their input,
it is sincerly appreciated......
                                  Claude
                                  WB4WHH
http://www.qsl.net/wb4whh/
      

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:54:14 -0500
From: Brad Thompson 

Subject: Re: GB> Tube Prices and Ebay, again


Hello--

A few years ago, I noted an auction posting on another group (either 
rec.audio.tubes or boatanchors)
and saw that the seller (a licensed Radio Amateur) listed "0.1 uF, 200 V. 
silver mica caps". As a designer
and components engineer, I was intrigued as I had never encountered a 
silver-mica capacitor
this large.

After viewing the auction listing, I noted the capacitor's type number on 
the photo and looked it up-- sure
enough, the capacitors in question were actually a metallized-foil type, 
although their reddish-brown epoxy
coating resembled that of a garden-variety silver mica cap.

I wrote a friendly note to the seller suggesting that he might want to 
crack one of the caps open and check
its innards, just to be sure that it was of silver-mica construction.

He wrote back a very brief note stating that the construction didn't matter 
and that he "didn't care" what was
inside the caps.

So, be careful of what's Out There. Sometimes, it's not The Truth (cf. "The 
X-Files", F. Mulder).

73--

Brad  AA1IP


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:54:00 -0800
From: "Don Ehrlich" 

Subject: Re: GB> 450 ohm antenna question


A folded dipole would meet your needs.

Don K7FJ



>      I have an antenna question that I would like to
> present to the group....
>      I would like to put up a dedicated 40 meter
> antenna for the low end of the CW band, appx 7.040....
> I would like to feed it with 450 ohm feedline, and not
> use an antenna tuner.... 
>      My setup is this....
>      I have about 65 feet to work with (total), but
> really would like it in a shorter space.... I can only
> get about 20 to 30 feet off the ground at best....
>      I will be using my homemade 6AG7/6L6 CW
> transmitter, its output power is 8 watts at the
> antenna terminal.... IT needs to be effiecient as
> possible.... The transmitter will load perfectly into
> a 450 dummy load, it will not load into a 300, or 50
> ohm dummy load.... The reason for this was the choice
> of variable capacitors that I had avialable to use....
> Its output stage is a variable capacitor tuning for
> the plate and an output coil for the antenna side....
> I Wish I could have used a pi-network, but did not
> have the variable capacitors to do so....
>      I would like to connect the 450 ohm twin lead to
> the output of the transmitter and go directly to the
> antenna..... But what lengths, and connection
> points...????
>      I have some ideas, but really would like to hear
> the groups thoughts as to a proven way to do this with
> the above conditions..... I thought that I knew until
> I started looking around as what to build..... 
>      I Thank everyone ahead of time for their input,
> it is sincerly appreciated......
>                                   Claude
>                                   WB4WHH



Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:26:29 +1100
From: "Brian Goldsmith" 

Subject: Re: GB> Fwd: ID'ing Crystals



----- Original Message ----- 
From: 

Don't recognize the addresser and not expecting
any attachments, so have deleted the information
that was attached.  sorry for any inconvenience
this may have caused.

*** Complete agreement from this end,don't be sorry for the other
posters ignorance.

Brian Goldsmith.



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:29:27 -0600
From: "jo" 

Subject: GB> Thanks Crawfish! my 1930's regen on it's way. Also thanks to Rocky


First off, thanks Crawfish for sending me the 30 tube a few months back. It
gave me the kick I needed to get my regen started. Here is the line up.

RF amp    34
Detector    30
Preamp    31
PA            33

I ordered the "Secrets of Homebuilt Regenerative Receivers" by C. F. "Rock"
Rockey from Midnight Science. Great reading. I've also got a 2" binder of
print outs from this reflector on regens. I wonder if anyone here has any
pointers to some schematics that use the 30 series? Also I got an ignition
coil from my local junk yard to be used as the "500 Henry" coil, I've heard
that these can be used effectively. Any comments from some of you who have
used them?

Thanks again Crawfish!

Rick  KC0GIX



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:39:42 -0600
From: "jo" 

Subject: GB> OT: SS pullen mixer


I want to do some experimenting with Solid State Pullen mixers and I have a
basic question. I understand that the original tube designs where often used
almost without change with FETs replacing the tubes since the input/output
impedance of a FET is similar to the impedance of a tube. My question is, do
FET's make a better pullen than bipolar transistors or should I use some
thing completely different (MOSFETs, Unijunction)? Does anyone have any data
or article recommendations? I have access to a large number of PN2222As and
a number of MPF102s. I figured I'd start with these and see what happens.

Thanks to all

Rick  KC0GIX



Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:29:43 -0000
From: "Barry Kirkwood" 

Subject: Re: GB> OT: SS pullen mixer


Hmmm, is it heresy to talk solid state?
Anyway, a short answer is if you go that way with a couple of devices there
are better ways of doing it.
Have a look at circuit of many of the ss transceivers and you will see neat
semibalanced mixers using fets.
73
Barry

end
Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD
Signal Hill Homestay
66 Cory Road
Palm Beach
Waiheke Island 1240
NEW ZEALAND
ph/fax 64-9-372-5161
www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jo" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:39 AM
Subject: GB> OT: SS pullen mixer


> I want to do some experimenting with Solid State Pullen mixers and I have
a
> basic question. I understand that the original tube designs where often
used
> almost without change with FETs replacing the tubes since the input/output
> impedance of a FET is similar to the impedance of a tube. My question is,
do
> FET's make a better pullen than bipolar transistors or should I use some
> thing completely different (MOSFETs, Unijunction)? Does anyone have any
data
> or article recommendations? I have access to a large number of PN2222As
and
> a number of MPF102s. I figured I'd start with these and see what happens.
>
> Thanks to all
>
> Rick  KC0GIX
>
>
>


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:32:46 EST
From: Wd4nka@aol.com

Subject: GB> Eldico r-104 part value needed.



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Hi, gang:

Someone ( i erased most of my mail, unfortunately ) was
going to check their eldico R-104 manual to get a value for
L-201 and L-202.  I wonder if they had a chance to do that
yet?  Or if anyone on list might just happen to have an r-104
manual which has the parts list in it.  I have a scanned version,
but unfortunately the parts list was not included.  I am rebuilding
the pto, and the tuning coil values were omitted from the
schematic.  All other values are there except for those two
coils.  I particularly need the value of L-202, the trim coil.

Tnx.

gary // wd4nka

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Hi, gang:


Someone ( i erased most of my mail, unfortunately ) was
going to check their eldico R-104 manual to get a value for
L-201 and L-202.  I wonder if they had a chance to do that
yet?  Or if anyone on list might just happen to have an r-104
manual which has the parts list in it.  I have a scanned version,
but unfortunately the parts list was not included.  I am rebuilding
the pto, and the tuning coil values were omitted from the
schematic.  All other values are there except for those two
coils.  I particularly need the value of L-202, the trim coil.

Tnx.

gary // wd4nka

Visit my site at: http://www.qsl.= net/wd4nka/
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:39:53 +0000
From: "Brad Hernlem" 

Subject: GB> Thanks re Plate Spacing Convention


Thanks to those who responded to my question about plate spacing specs in 
air variable capacitors. Of course it makes more sense that this refers to 
the air gap but I wasn't sure whether this was what was meant as I read 
through various project articles. Also, it seems that many of the caps that 
one finds are less than perfectly aligned* and so a specified air gap is 
only the best case scenario until one of the plates is bent or the unit is 
put out of alignment (right?).

Stuart recommended checking the Cardwell Condensor site and their charts 
don't even use the term "spacing" ... just "air gap". So there you are. This 
whole question is just a product of misleading or misapplied terminology in 
the articles.

* but this is mainly the case with the narrow gap sort that are intended for 
relatively low voltage, receiver tuning applications. The wide gap caps 
typically have some facility for adjusting the alignment of the stator.

Brad

P.S. It's ALIVE! It's ALIVE!  .... I donated my old beater, 185k miles car 
last month and I received a bill in the mail yesterday complete with a 
surveillence camera photo of my former car's license plate as the car 
cruised through a toll booth without paying the toll. The violation is dated 
4 days after the car left my possession. I wonder what other naughty 
activities it is being used for. :-(
Or maybe someone just slapped the old plate on a different car. Hmmm ....

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:29:26 -0500
From: 

Subject: GB> Various Type '30 triode regen designs


Rick and group:

That #30 can, of course, be used in 
several regen schemes, the most 
successful for me was the cathode loop.  
I used it for VLF and MW, it seemed that
the feedback occuring at the cathode level 
was less touchy than the place coupled 
feedback arrangements.  In my case i just 
wound a few loops around the base of the 
grid coil, connecting the top wind to the 
negative 'A' battery term and the ground
end to the negative 'B' battery term.  In my 
case, the main ground bus.  You can also 
accomplish the same by voltage control of 
the filament.  

CQ's Dave Ingram featured a very nice 
twin #30 regen in his World of Ideas 
column for Feb. 1990, dubbed the "Globe 
Trotter" ( now you know where i get the idea 
of giving my receivers monikers ) which 
featured a 100pF throttle from plate, aft the
tickler coil and RFC, to ground bus.  Both 
detector and audio stage '30 have parallel 
filament circuits using a 10 ohm pot for voltage 
control.  The beauty here is that you can control
the detector voltage ( i would take the audio fil 
out of the pot circuit and hook it up direct to the 
A battery ) AND throttle the feedback, optimising 
your detector efficiency.  It is considered a great 
little 0-v-1. Transformer coupled, though.  Make 
the 'A' battery positive term common with B battery 
negative, and put the pot in the 'A' negative side.  
( The same article features the "Gil Classic" 
heavy-tank Hartley, the design of which is
taken from a Phil Gildersleeve cartoon from 
1930, when he took over from W8EA, who 
went on to illustrate adds for Taylor,
and other component manufactures. )

Mr Doerle used another cathode 
arrangement in his original
"Globe Circler " which used a pair 
of '30s as a 0-V-1. In this case the B 
negative was also the A negative, and 
feedback occured in the plate via the 
usual armstrong tickler venue, but a 
lower value pot was put in series with 
the A battery positive term.  I note that 
BOTH '30s, the detector and the audio 
had their cathode voltages simultaneously 
varied, their filaments connected in parallel 
above the pot!  B+ on all the type '30 Doerles 
seem to be 90v, if that serves as a cue, although 
I used no more than 45v ever in detector service.

On one of his early 1-V-1's, ("Signal Gripper") 
Doerle used 'A'  batteries in series with the B, 
and a variable resistance in both the plate and 
the cathode, the plate pot likely being the voltage 
control, the cathode pot, not being in the 'A' 
battery line but rather connected to the positive 
side of the cathode, and the rotor conecting to 
the B-negative term.  It's only function appears
to be one of controlling feedback.  There is no 
A batter voltage control.  I believe the cathode, 
rather than the plate pot was the actual regen 
control.  Of course, both have a bearing on 
feedback.

If Doerle arrangements are of interest, here 
is a short biblio:

"Those Good Ol' Radio Magazines", 
J. Nagle K4KJ ( great read! )
Ham Radio Horizons, 
Dec. 31 Wrap-up issue, 1977, pg. 38 - 47

"1929-1941: The Golden Years of Amateur Radio", 
Bill Orr, W6SAI-
Ham Radio, April 1976, pg. 34-38

"Golden Years of Ham Radio", 
also Bill Orr who wrote extensively
on this subject, 
Ham Radio Horizons, May 1978, pgs 40-43

"Golden Years of Radio- The Way it Was, 40 years ago"  
Bill Orr,
Ham Radio Horizons, March 1977, pgs 32-36

"Golden Years of Radio" 
Bill Orr, Ham Radio Horizons, April 1979,
pages 50-57, including a bio on
Walter C. Doerle and tips on 
building his (then) 40 year old designs.

The Editor of CQ and i had a small and 
very nice chat a short while back, and
unfortunately he could not release 
permission to republish any articles by 
Bill Orr, they were one-time releases only.  
Thus i cannot offer scans of these articles, 
but HRHs and HR Reports pop up all the 
time on eBay for next to nuthin', and i plan 
to re-research Walter Doerle and post my 
own material in the future.

gary // wd4nka
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:21:33 -0500 (EST)
From: ah7i@atl.org

Subject: GB> OT: Big motor



Try putting this on your scooter!

http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

-bob



Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:57:54 -0800
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 

Subject: RE: GB> OT: Big motor


When I worked for Mackay in the San Francisco area, one day I stopped off at
the SeaLand warehouse to leave them some radio spares they had ordered. It
was my first trip into that warehouse, and I found the two guys working
there having lunch. They were eating sandwiches while sitting up on top of
what I first took to be a large round drum of some sort on a large wooden
pallet. 

Then I saw the grooves for the rings and big hole for the wrist pin and
realized it was actually the piston for one of the large marine diesel
engines. 

Amazing! 

Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
[mailto:owner-glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu] On Behalf Of ah7i@atl.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:22 AM
To: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
Subject: GB> OT: Big motor



Try putting this on your scooter!

http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

-bob






Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:18:51 -0800
From: Steve Smith 

Subject: Re: GB> OT: Big motor


Wouldn't that honey turn your Field Day generator just fine, HA!  Lessee,
that's about 80 MegaWatts for the 14 banger, ooh baby!

Now, I wanna see Jesse James build a monster out of that puppy! (Monster
Garage, Discovery Channel)

73.......Steve Smith WB6TNL
          Oxnard, CA  USA             
           "Snort Rosin"
 
 
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:21:33 -0500 (EST) ah7i@atl.org writes:
> 
> Try putting this on your scooter!
> 
> http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
> 
> -bob
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:38:56 -0500
From: "Charles W3KC" 

Subject: Re: GB> OT: Big motor


That's why I keep my little one cylinder Yanmar diesel generator away from
steroids!
73 Chas W3KC



Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:54:56 -0600
From: dzabcik@texas.net

Subject: GB> Leo Myerson special event!


I just had the privilige (which I will long remember) of speaking to Leo
Meyerson, W0GFQ, on 20m sideband. He told me that there is a special
event station coming up, using his call, which will be on this Thursday.
The station will be operating on 14.213 and will probably start 11:00 AM
Pacific time, although I gathered that is perhaps subject to change.
Antennas are problematic for Mr. Meyerson, so listen up!

I feel sure there are several on this list that will be anxious to work
this station; but I'm already the FIRST call in the log!

73, Dan, WB5YUZ


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:41:54 -0600
From: Tom Norris 

Subject: Re: GB> The TDSL (Tube Data Sheet Locator) Personal Edition


And, instead of being a simple database that anyone can
use, it is a windows only program. I have OSX and Linux
machines. Oh well, *my type* probably doesn't need that
program anyway, since I have an RCA HB-3 data book set
that covers a little bit of everything - though it is missing
the transmitting tube volume, if there was a transmitting
tube volume. The data in the HB-3 also included operating
curves and other good details. :-)

Tom

>I just found out about this free download that gives you tube data 
>at your fingertips.
>
>Just go to :
>
>http://www.duncanamps.com/tdslpe/
>
>and download it for data on 1700 tubes.


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:31:29 -0500
From: w2bvh 

Subject: GB> Re:Big motor. Check out the details of this little motor


 Check out the details of this little motor:    
http://www.car.co.nz/hotrod.asp?articleid=1934

73,
Lenny W2BVH


ah7i@atl.org wrote:

>Try putting this on your scooter!
>
>http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
>
>-bob
>
>
>
>  
>


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:43:35 -0600
From: fkamp@comcast.net

Subject: GB> QSTs for trade


I have the following duplicate issues of QST:

1948  JAN,MAR, APR, MAY, SEP, OCT
1971 MAR,APR,JUN,JUL,AUG

I would like to trade some or all for any of the following issues of QST
(one for one)::

1950 ANY EXCEPT NOV
1953 ANY EXCEPT AUG,SEP,OCT,NOV,DEC
1954 ANY
1955 ANY EXCEPT MAY
1956 ANY
1957 ANY EXCEPT JAN
1958 APR
1959 ANY EXCEPT APR,MAY,JUN
1960 DEC
1961 ANY EXCEPT JAN,FEB,MAR,APR
1962 ANY EXCEPT JAN,FEB,AUG
1962 ANY

Regards,
Frank Kamp
K5DKZ



Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:58:02 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" 

Subject: Re: GB> OT: Big motor


How in the he** do you start such a beast? Compressed air? A 
starter motor for that thing would be bigger than an entire 
over-the-road truck.

I heard recently that the Bismark and other largeish German 
ships of WWII used diesels too.

Wonder what they looked like?

On 16 Mar 2004 at 13:21, ah7i@atl.org wrote:

> 
> Try putting this on your scooter!
> 
> http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
> 
> -bob
> 
> 



Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:07:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Claude 

Subject: GB> 450 ohm antenna... Excellent answers... Thank you..!!!!


     Someone said a while back that this was the best
radio group out there, I would like to add one comment
to that.... He was right.....!!!!
     Again, I would like to thank everyone who was
able to offer comments about my 450 ohm antenna
question.... Every reply was excellent...!!!! Without
exception, and I really appreciate your posts about
it.... 
      What good answers.... I am back on track now, in
my understanding about the antenna....
      For simplicity sake, I am going to use the
folded dipole for this set..... I will let everyone
know how all of this works out as time goes on.....
      Thank you...!!!!! 73's
                                     Claude
                                     WB4WHH

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:00:56 -0000
From: "Barry Kirkwood" 

Subject: Re: GB> OT: Big motor


FWIW:
Giant Diesels are standard propulsion for big ships these days.
They are controlled from the bridge, pretty much like driving a car.
Most of the time there is nobody in the engine room.
In the case of oil tankers, once underway they cut over from diesel fuel and
run on crude.
It takes about 15mins minimum to change them back again so that speed can be
changed, or the engines reversed.
Thus, if they run over something smaller they usually just keep going.
Usually over the horizon before they could turn around, assuming they wanted
to.
73
Barry


end
Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD
Signal Hill Homestay
66 Cory Road
Palm Beach
Waiheke Island 1240
NEW ZEALAND
ph/fax 64-9-372-5161
www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" 
To: 
Cc: "Old Tube Radios" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: GB> OT: Big motor


> How in the he** do you start such a beast? Compressed air? A
> starter motor for that thing would be bigger than an entire
> over-the-road truck.
>
> I heard recently that the Bismark and other largeish German
> ships of WWII used diesels too.
>
> Wonder what they looked like?
>
> On 16 Mar 2004 at 13:21, ah7i@atl.org wrote:
>
> >
> > Try putting this on your scooter!
> >
> > http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
> >
> > -bob
> >
> >
>
>
>


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:19:23 -0600
From: dzabcik@texas.net

Subject: Re: GB> 450 ohm antenna question


Don Ehrlich wrote:
> 
> A folded dipole would meet your needs.
> 

I agree that this would be an excellent choice given the dimensions
available and the matching method proposed. However, Claude observes:

> 
> >  The transmitter will load perfectly into
> > a 450 dummy load, it will not load into a 300, or 50
> > ohm dummy load....

Huh? Unless I'm missing something, anything that loads perfectly into a
450 ohm load should load quite satisfactorily into a 300 ohm load. If I
did the math correctly, this should give an SWR of less than 1.1:1!

> > I Wish I could have used a pi-network, but did not
> > have the variable capacitors to do so....
> >      I would like to connect the 450 ohm twin lead to
> > the output of the transmitter and go directly to the
> > antenna..... But what lengths, and connection
> > points...????

If you did not build in a pi-net output, it is probably advisable to use
a pi-net antenna tuner following the set up, especially since I gather
you are not using a push-pull or push-push amp (one of the latter
cancels out harmonics, but I forget off the top of my head which
circuit, and whether even or odd harmonics are deleted). 

Connecting the antenna directly across the coil WILL give the most
efficient connection, and was indeed how they did it in the days when
the letters NRA had nothing to do with guns; but in most mopa designs
will result in considerable harmonic radiation. It is also highly likely
no one on the other end of a QSO will ever notice the difference in
signal strength that will result from the insertion loss of a properly
operated pi-net antenna tuner. 

And, using a tuner can mean a nice 50 ohm unbalanced output, giving you
the option of using conventional dipoles, or whatever you might have up
for the sand state rigs. So, think about using a tuner; discretion,
valor, and all. 

> >      I Thank everyone ahead of time for their input,
> > it is sincerly appreciated......

For what the above comments may be worth, you're quite welcome. But I'm
new to this myself, so let's see what others have to say.

73, Dan, WB5YUZ


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:31:38 -0500
From: John Dilks - K2TQN 

Subject: GB> Heathkit Estate FS in Secaucus, NJ



To all,

The main equipment for sale is:

SB-221 linear,  HW-101 transciever,  SB-634 station control,  HP-23C power 
supply,  HD-15 phone patch,  Astatic D-104 microphone,  Clegg FM-28 older 
2-m tranciever

There is more, but the above is the main part.

If anyone is interested, please contact the Son-in-law
Glen  at   GMD5265@aol.com

He would also be interested to sell the entire ham station to one person.

73, John Dilks, K2TQN 


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:29:47 -0700
From: w5xe@juno.com

Subject: GB> Re: ur post   ref mypost    "i.d.ing crystals"


Not a brush off of your query which was not
in the text of your message but with an attachment
thereto, and not being familiar with your email
address, I opted not to keep the message and
apologized if it caused a problem, but I was
not about to open the attachment.  That is all it
was about.  And I did not denigrate your inquiry
but there was nothing to answer unless it was in
the attachment.  If you want to be insulting then
I shan't bother to answer or even try to answer 
your query - why are you sending it to me anyway
when there were numerous responders giving
the same type of response to the attachment from
an unknow person.  Now if you would like to 
repost the same message to the entire list and
get their responses, you may have better answers
than what I can give you.  You might as well know
at this point I did not, do not appreciate these
insinuations and insults.  

I am not familiar with the GRC109, but as I recall
the HT18, which I used to have will accept the FT243,
FT241 (same pin spacing as the 243 but a larger body)
and the HC6 type crystal with the large pin adapters.  
The GRC9, I am not sure of and checking my manual,
I did not see what type is used - perhaps one of the
people on the list can answer that.  
 


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:59:10 EST
From: N2EY@aol.com

Subject: Re: GB> OT: Big motor



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In a message dated 3/16/04 7:02:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, keng@moscow.com 
writes:


> How in the he** do you start such a beast? Compressed air?

Yes. Big diesels are commonly air-started. 

 A 
> 
> starter motor for that thing would be bigger than