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		<title>By: #noemail</title>
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		<dc:creator>#noemail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://ibiblio.org/pjones/blog/good-bye-email-or-is-that-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-440482</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 14:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian M and Brian R,
See later postings for more detail. 

BMcD,
Trusting email and even calling it reliable is delusional at best. Faking email has long been a problem. See the spam that gets through your spam filters by masquerading as you or as someone in your address book as just a beginning. Email is ubiquitous; your address is your network id -- for now. Facebook and Google and OpenId are the emerging alternatives -- and they are better and more trustworthy and reliable. They were created not just for convenience but to solve the problems of email in exactly the areas of spoofing, lack of reliability etc.  
Just as a data point; are you over 55?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian M and Brian R,<br />
See later postings for more detail. </p>
<p>BMcD,<br />
Trusting email and even calling it reliable is delusional at best. Faking email has long been a problem. See the spam that gets through your spam filters by masquerading as you or as someone in your address book as just a beginning. Email is ubiquitous; your address is your network id &#8212; for now. Facebook and Google and OpenId are the emerging alternatives &#8212; and they are better and more trustworthy and reliable. They were created not just for convenience but to solve the problems of email in exactly the areas of spoofing, lack of reliability etc.<br />
Just as a data point; are you over 55?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 13:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, interesting experiment to say the least. I agree with you that email had become a chore that we don&#039;t like. Yet it does offer some level of trusted and reliable communication for other networks to function like Twitter, Facebook, etc.  They all require email to verify the accounts and most use it as a unique identifier that does not give away too much info like a social security number.  Even if we leave email and move to social networking communications there is still a need to track, respond, and manage the various bits of info contained in messages that we find valuable.

Good luck with your experiment and I look forward to your conclusions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, interesting experiment to say the least. I agree with you that email had become a chore that we don&#8217;t like. Yet it does offer some level of trusted and reliable communication for other networks to function like Twitter, Facebook, etc.  They all require email to verify the accounts and most use it as a unique identifier that does not give away too much info like a social security number.  Even if we leave email and move to social networking communications there is still a need to track, respond, and manage the various bits of info contained in messages that we find valuable.</p>
<p>Good luck with your experiment and I look forward to your conclusions!</p>
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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
		<link>http://ibiblio.org/pjones/blog/good-bye-email-or-is-that-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-440464</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 15:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn Paul. It&#039;s like you said the sky was purple instead of Carolina blue. Such heresy for you to quit email. ;) I support you Sensei!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn Paul. It&#8217;s like you said the sky was purple instead of Carolina blue. Such heresy for you to quit email. <img src='http://ibiblio.org/pjones/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I support you Sensei!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 15:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,
Yes that is interesting, but not my point. email needs integration (see latest post about IBM&quot;s attempt to do that), but other than RSS there&#039;s not much that provides an open approach. BTW I do list on my alternatives: Diaspora, freenode, and could have listed Jabber which I occasionally use but has not real central server. I&#039;m open to more open suggestions and alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,<br />
Yes that is interesting, but not my point. email needs integration (see latest post about IBM&#8221;s attempt to do that), but other than RSS there&#8217;s not much that provides an open approach. BTW I do list on my alternatives: Diaspora, freenode, and could have listed Jabber which I occasionally use but has not real central server. I&#8217;m open to more open suggestions and alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Vankevich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Vankevich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  When I joined Facebook a while back, I wrote on my wall:
I&#039;m not very good with this Facebook.  I&#039;m from the old school  - email.
/Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  When I joined Facebook a while back, I wrote on my wall:<br />
I&#8217;m not very good with this Facebook.  I&#8217;m from the old school  &#8211; email.<br />
/Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Watt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Watt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 13:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, one observation. All the services you list above, and in your &quot;What email is not good at&quot; comment, are owned and controlled by single companies (outside of RSS and text-messaging---neither of which could be said offer feature parity with email). I find it amusing that your chosen alternatives are primarily centralized, corporate communications solutions rather than distributed, open communications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, one observation. All the services you list above, and in your &#8220;What email is not good at&#8221; comment, are owned and controlled by single companies (outside of RSS and text-messaging&#8212;neither of which could be said offer feature parity with email). I find it amusing that your chosen alternatives are primarily centralized, corporate communications solutions rather than distributed, open communications.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 12:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What email is not good at (followed by what is better)
collaboration on documents - wiki or gDocs or even the dreaded Sharepoint are better
arranging schedules - calendaring systems and/or Doodle are better
person to person interaction (non-mobile) - AIM, Gtalk etc are better. For richer experience, Skype or iChat video
anything mobile - IM, txt, Twitter
General news flow - Twitter and/or Facebook News Feed
Specific departmental or school announcements - RSS
General questions to experts - Quora, Hunch, ask your Tweeple
Attachments - any other solution but Dropbox or shared docs like gDocs are better
Large files - Dropbox
Social interactions - Diaspora or Facebook or Twitter

eMail was a very good idea in the 70s and even in the 80s when there were no other choices and at best unreliable connectivity. Horses are lovely, but the roads now are for cars. Same with email. On the older unreliable and ununiform networks, it was a miracle. Now eMail needs to be kept off the Interstates.
Secure interactions - Skype, IRC, etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What email is not good at (followed by what is better)<br />
collaboration on documents &#8211; wiki or gDocs or even the dreaded Sharepoint are better<br />
arranging schedules &#8211; calendaring systems and/or Doodle are better<br />
person to person interaction (non-mobile) &#8211; AIM, Gtalk etc are better. For richer experience, Skype or iChat video<br />
anything mobile &#8211; IM, txt, Twitter<br />
General news flow &#8211; Twitter and/or Facebook News Feed<br />
Specific departmental or school announcements &#8211; RSS<br />
General questions to experts &#8211; Quora, Hunch, ask your Tweeple<br />
Attachments &#8211; any other solution but Dropbox or shared docs like gDocs are better<br />
Large files &#8211; Dropbox<br />
Social interactions &#8211; Diaspora or Facebook or Twitter</p>
<p>eMail was a very good idea in the 70s and even in the 80s when there were no other choices and at best unreliable connectivity. Horses are lovely, but the roads now are for cars. Same with email. On the older unreliable and ununiform networks, it was a miracle. Now eMail needs to be kept off the Interstates.<br />
Secure interactions &#8211; Skype, IRC, etc</p>
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		<title>By: David Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 09:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the results have to apply to any specific population.  My point is that without measurements, even those that apply only to your situation, any conclusion you draw from the test is purely an opinion.  If the goal of the test is to demonstrate that social networking is a more effective and efficient communications method, at least for you, then some form of measurement seems necessary.

Having said that email &quot;sucks&quot; I assume you have a list of reasons that lead you to that conclusion.  I&#039;d start there.  What do you see as the downsides of email?  How can you quantify those negatives?  Since I don&#039;t know what your specific objections to email are I can&#039;t offer any suggestions.  Some obvious measurements might be the number of communications per day, time spent on communications, number of communications avoided, and engagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the results have to apply to any specific population.  My point is that without measurements, even those that apply only to your situation, any conclusion you draw from the test is purely an opinion.  If the goal of the test is to demonstrate that social networking is a more effective and efficient communications method, at least for you, then some form of measurement seems necessary.</p>
<p>Having said that email &#8220;sucks&#8221; I assume you have a list of reasons that lead you to that conclusion.  I&#8217;d start there.  What do you see as the downsides of email?  How can you quantify those negatives?  Since I don&#8217;t know what your specific objections to email are I can&#8217;t offer any suggestions.  Some obvious measurements might be the number of communications per day, time spent on communications, number of communications avoided, and engagement.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 02:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I donno that one person&#039;s experiences will be at all generalizable to any population -- especially if that one person is me. I agree that this is exploratory and will likely be anecdotal, but I&quot;m open to ideas about how to instrument and/or measure there changes if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donno that one person&#8217;s experiences will be at all generalizable to any population &#8212; especially if that one person is me. I agree that this is exploratory and will likely be anecdotal, but I&#8221;m open to ideas about how to instrument and/or measure there changes if any.</p>
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