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	<title>Comments on: Social vs Collaborative</title>
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		<title>By: Mr Brown</title>
		<link>http://ibiblio.org/pjones/blog/social-vs-collaborative/comment-page-1/#comment-400382</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, i can offer little practical advice. But I do provide an example. I work for a teeny-tiny consulting firm that is VERY collaborative, and always has been, born in the (cough) sanctified halls of acadaemia. For many years we all worked in the same building, sometimes the same room, and the level of sociability stayed fairly low. Just a bunch of pre-occupied geeks in their own private universes. 

Then we &#039;down sized&#039;, and the remaining members of the club work from home or where ever the hell that one guy is. And one in Europe. The collaboration and socialization are approximately the same (except for that one guy whom I hate), using the standard kit: email, telephone and a internets chatter-thingy. we have some shared screen real-estate using vnc as well, but sometimes the lack of physical proximity slows things down too much. Sometimes you just can&#039;t think of the answer with a plug in your ear. So some problems, both the physical as well as the more esoteric, can sometimes be solved by collaborating more sociably, ie, by getting in the car and driving over.

This is related to &quot;The Sysadmin Effect&quot;, where by going through the (social) process of calling the sysadmin to your side and spelling out what the problem is, the problem magically vanishes.

Further, Joey and Johnny Ramone de-fckn-spized each other, never spoke directly, and toured and wrote songs for many years. (Who is your favorite Ramone? Joey.) Say what you will about the quality, they had a collaboration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, i can offer little practical advice. But I do provide an example. I work for a teeny-tiny consulting firm that is VERY collaborative, and always has been, born in the (cough) sanctified halls of acadaemia. For many years we all worked in the same building, sometimes the same room, and the level of sociability stayed fairly low. Just a bunch of pre-occupied geeks in their own private universes. </p>
<p>Then we &#8216;down sized&#8217;, and the remaining members of the club work from home or where ever the hell that one guy is. And one in Europe. The collaboration and socialization are approximately the same (except for that one guy whom I hate), using the standard kit: email, telephone and a internets chatter-thingy. we have some shared screen real-estate using vnc as well, but sometimes the lack of physical proximity slows things down too much. Sometimes you just can&#8217;t think of the answer with a plug in your ear. So some problems, both the physical as well as the more esoteric, can sometimes be solved by collaborating more sociably, ie, by getting in the car and driving over.</p>
<p>This is related to &#8220;The Sysadmin Effect&#8221;, where by going through the (social) process of calling the sysadmin to your side and spelling out what the problem is, the problem magically vanishes.</p>
<p>Further, Joey and Johnny Ramone de-fckn-spized each other, never spoke directly, and toured and wrote songs for many years. (Who is your favorite Ramone? Joey.) Say what you will about the quality, they had a collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: jkd</title>
		<link>http://ibiblio.org/pjones/blog/social-vs-collaborative/comment-page-1/#comment-400180</link>
		<dc:creator>jkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a good way of fleshing out the differences between collaboration and sociability is by trying to figure out what the desired end-state is of a given process. 

(i) What&#039;s the desired end-state from a social interaction? Pleasure derived; social capital built; promise of future pleasure and possibilities for social-capital-building. [and...?]

(ii) And for collaboration? Project completed; localized [within work environment or field] social capital built; possibilities for future collaboration investigated.

And yes, the social capital is different. I&#039;m still thinking about the ways in which it is, but - in (i) it&#039;s more along the lines of &quot;I like hanging out with this guy, would like to again, you should to&quot; with the possibility that the &quot;you&quot; here would be a future social or possibly professional asset; in (ii) it&#039;s more a case of &quot;this guy does good work, you should want to work with him&quot; with you being a more specifically professional relationship. So maybe it&#039;s a question of scope - sociability by remaining more general affords more kinds of long-term social-capital-building (at one or several removes) but is less specifically devoted to a particular task; collaboration is more zoomed-in but as a consequence of focusing on a particular task [working together in a professional setting] allows fewer other kinds of social-capital building over the long term and at fewer removes.

Still a lot to think about, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a good way of fleshing out the differences between collaboration and sociability is by trying to figure out what the desired end-state is of a given process. </p>
<p>(i) What&#8217;s the desired end-state from a social interaction? Pleasure derived; social capital built; promise of future pleasure and possibilities for social-capital-building. [and...?]</p>
<p>(ii) And for collaboration? Project completed; localized [within work environment or field] social capital built; possibilities for future collaboration investigated.</p>
<p>And yes, the social capital is different. I&#8217;m still thinking about the ways in which it is, but &#8211; in (i) it&#8217;s more along the lines of &#8220;I like hanging out with this guy, would like to again, you should to&#8221; with the possibility that the &#8220;you&#8221; here would be a future social or possibly professional asset; in (ii) it&#8217;s more a case of &#8220;this guy does good work, you should want to work with him&#8221; with you being a more specifically professional relationship. So maybe it&#8217;s a question of scope &#8211; sociability by remaining more general affords more kinds of long-term social-capital-building (at one or several removes) but is less specifically devoted to a particular task; collaboration is more zoomed-in but as a consequence of focusing on a particular task [working together in a professional setting] allows fewer other kinds of social-capital building over the long term and at fewer removes.</p>
<p>Still a lot to think about, though&#8230;</p>
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