Notes from July 9th, 2008 Brown Bag Discussion

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Open Source at SILS/UNC meeting notes, July 9 2008

attendees: Barbara Wildemuth, Ken Chestnutt, Paul Jones, Stephanie Haas, Cristobal Palmer, Kathy Wisser, Don King, Jeff Pomerantz, Hugh Cayless, Scott Adams, Erin White, Holly White, David Ramiro from Biology, Jane Greenberg, Kevin Otte, Terrell Russell, unannounced stragglers

Why are we meeting? Introductions and a whiteboard inventory, for starters:

jpom: grant funding - falls under research

pjones: grant funding for teaching

pjones: should we talk about people or process?

dr. haas: here for sheer curiosity

dls/ken: ibiblio pretty much touches all points

wildemuth: volunteered to do a sakai implementation this fall

janeg: open source is filtering in to research projects, teaching. wants to know more. open access to data supporting publications. uses protege(OS program for creating ontologies) in teaching, uses wordpress extensively. curious in a research sense, cites OSWG work from 2000. holly: what jane said, and don't forget hive.

kjotte: sysadmin for UNC libraries. cites most popular open source services.

cmpalmer: personally interested in open culture. when working for ibiblio, provides user-friendly translations for end users, so probably access.

pjones: mentions TriLUG, as cmpalmer is president. also COSI.

kwisser: also participating in sakai and kristina's cataloguing projects. all for open source, just not her research area. would love to have better tools to use for teaching, etc.

dking: has been dealing with open access and scholarly journals for 15+ years. looking for alternative models for publishing in scholarly journals. concept of open access in journals isn't new, but treated like its new because we now have electronic access. would love to spend a session talking about it.

holly: her community just started discussing open access

cmpalmer: points out that oregon just tried to copyright their laws

jpom: also participating in sakai trials, which uses a wiki though at vatech, working with dlist (self-archiving repository) and hoping for a grant there. personally, trying to abandon microsoft for open software and formats. teaching library 2.0 course with paul in spring 2009.

cayless: works for CDLA, teaches in SILS, published in open access journals

terrell: taught in SILS, works on open source software, open formats and standards are critical for sharing/progress, considered open access journals solely, but finding that's hard with the short pulpit given to grad students, installed/used many open source tools/software, nearly ONLY open source software on laptop (ironically running OSX) - looking forward to open mobile devices.

erin: works in the SILS lab, similar interests as cmpalmer: interested in helping people using FOSS, interested in access, dabble in code too

adams: all over the map, is an enabler, is interested in financial matters, not tied to open source. interested in real-life issues of money.

(media technician for comm studies[Mike Nutt]): commst isn't yet using open source for much, mostly due to desired skillsets for students (Adobe, etc) but more interested in open content - what happens with media artifacts, once produced? content, creative commons. trying to perpetuate open culture through faculty. how to get faculty to realize importance of open culture?

derek rodriguez: works for TRLN running ENDECA project which is almost entirely open source, except for ENDECA itself. looking at koha or other ILSes.

david ramiro: supporting missions for the NIH open access requirements, interested in open access WRT the sciences. SHH: issues with school librarians becoming school media specialists. much easier for school librarians to wear all of these hats, and proprietary products make things easier for end users. school librarians' primary roles should be teaching, and they need easy tools to allow this.

javed: SILS assoc. prof, also research in medical school. mainly pedagogical interest, utility of software in day-to-day tasks, how to manage software, provide collections of software, keeping relevance to information services in mind. haas: research in python, natural language toolkit, firefox. many open source research tools.

king: effect of open source on library sciences, metadata?

pjones: 10 years of discussion on whether to teach programming, implementation, theory in SILS. journalists for example have to do multimedia if they want to work. can these core values be used in part in different ways, not necessarily exclusively? probably more unreal to ignore participatory culture. also unreal to think they're an exclusive force. code as an underlying force. absolutists: free software fanatics. less absolute: journalists use google maps API for reports/articles.

$$$ - why would people produce free software?

martin brings up NCSU FLOSS class, comp sci students required to contribute to an OS project as part of course requirements.

pjones: SILS would more likely study those contributions.

terrell: brings up harvard open format requirements before having to go.

kwisser: does the UNC system have such a policy?

jpom: in 2005 faculty council adopted a resolution: "faculty own their intellectual property and published work, and are encouraged to publish in open access venues"

kvisser: what about on the IT side? are we "supposed" to use open source tools?

pjones: provost has funds set aside, money to help publish in open formats

jpom: provost offers small grants up of to $5k.

pjones: NSF papers must be available at least on departmental servers

dking: open access to scholarly journals is not a new concept - reprints, for example.

pjones: articles published in google scholarly 9 times more likely to be read

pjones: so this is a great opportunity to study, validate, invalidate, etc.

jpom: so what's our goal? coordinated research agenda?

pjones: i saw this as an inventory meeting - what areas we're covering and not. determine our interests, then determine our goals.

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