Subject: GLOWBUGS digest 379

From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:39:46 -0600 (CST)

GLOWBUGS Digest 379

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) QST Magazines FS/Swap
	by David Medley <[email-masked]>
  2) BA/GB ``Net'' Sked and Procedures
	by [email-masked]
  3) Re: BA/GB ``Net'' Sked and Procedures --- followup
	by [email-masked]
  4) Henrietta Hartley vs 1BCG -- will it be heard?????
	by [email-masked]
  5) Re: BA/GB ``Net'' Sked and Procedures --- followup
	by Doug <[email-masked]>
  6) RE: Henrietta Hartley vs 1BCG -- will it be heard?????
	by "Joel R. Hallas 716-223-4153" <[email-masked]>
  7) Need fancy vernier dial
	by Ken Wood <[email-masked]>
  8) Seeking vernier dial (same letter)
	by Gordon Gekko <[email-masked]>
  9) WTB
	by "Cory Hine" <[email-masked]>
 10) Re: Henrietta Hartley vs 1BCG -- will it be heard?????
	by [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:47:46 -0700
From: David Medley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: QST Magazines FS/Swap
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

The following QST Magazines are dupes in my collection. All are in good
condition with covers, splines etc.
                 	1966	January missing
			1967	September missing	
			1971	Complete
			1972	Complete
			1973	Complete
			1974	Complete

One copy 40th Anniversary Edition. This contains a reprint of Vol 1 No 1 of
1915.

I need the following ARRL handbooks to complete my collection:

              Nos 1,3,4,7,10,11
              1970,71,74
Please e-mail responses. Do not post to the list.
Thanks

David Medley  KI6QE/7  VK2IMJ
[email-masked]
Tucson  Arizona

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:08:08 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked] (), [email-masked],
Subject: BA/GB ``Net'' Sked and Procedures
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> Hi Everyone,

Hello!

> I'd like to try checking into the CW nets on 3579.  Can someone post a
> schedule and include net check-in prosigns/procedures?  I'v never
> checked into a CW net, except for the final NJ/DE Navy MARS Net.  (MARS
> is now FORBIDDEN to to use CW).

Oh, well, MARS stuff aside.....(20 years ago I used to do a lot of CW net
things on MARS, and that sort of set my net skills, although they are
a tad rusty, in official form).  But, for the record, concerning the
BA/GB ``Net'' (which aint really a net but IS a roundtable).

GENERAL BA/GB NET Protocol and Procedures:
******************************************

1.  QRG 3579R545 KHZ QTR 0200Z until whenever (usually 0600 is the end).

    Note:  Try to be as close to the actual QRG as possible to prevent
           interference to W1AW and other real traffic nets.

2.  Call ---   CQ BA CQ BA CQ BA DE <calling station> <calling station>/BA K

    Note:  Call from on the hour to about 5 minutes after the hour,
           (or if you are game or a bit early or a bit late, call at
           any time and someone is likely to hear you).

    Note:  Stations wishing to participate in the roundtable should
           return call to the calling station in long form or more
           appropriately in short form:

           long form ---   <calling station> DE <yourcall> K

           or short form ---   DE <yourcall>

           (The short form would not need the K prosign.)

    Note:  Call one round and one round only and then listen for other
           stations.  If no other stations are heard, then call again
           a minute or so later.  Under no circumstances continuously
           call without listening between rounds for at least a few
           seconds.

    Note:  This form of call is a general call to all BA/GB stations to
           get the ball rolling.  THE PERSON WHO MAKES THE FIRST CALL
           AND GETS THE BALL ROLLING IS ACTING NET CONTROL STATION,
           unless he station defers net control to another station, for
           example a big BA station running a KW that can be heard over
           a 2 watt Hartley oscillator.

    Note:  The ACTING NET CONTROL STATION, if hearing other stations,
           should note the other stations, making a list of all the
           stations participating, with the ACTING NET CONTROL STATION
           at the top of the list.  Then the acting net control station
           should send a wait signal and immediately request any further
           stations to call in and be listed.  Once all stations are
           listed and accounted for, the acting net control station should
           run off the list for all other stations to copy to establish
           the operational sequence of stations in the roundtable.  All
           participating stations should copy the list down and follow
           its sequence, passing the QRG along to each station in the
           list.  ONCE THE LIST HAS BEEN COMPLETED, the acting net control
           station should send a wait signal, and then request any further
           stations to call in and be added to the bottom of the list.
           If a lot of new stations call in, then it is good practice
           for the net control to run of the expanded list for all stations
           to copy and update their lists.  If only one or two new stations
           call in, then the net control can merely call for the new
           stations to follow after XXXXX station.

           A typical net control acknowledgement of stations signing in:

                DE <net control station> R <station 1> R <station 2> <etc.>

           A typical call for further stations might be:

                DE <net control station>/BA AS             (call net to wait)
                CQ BA DE <net control station>/BA K     (call for other stns)

           Then, other stations would be signed in, until all are noted.

           A typical list of stations might be:

                DE <net control station>/BA BT
                THE FOLLOWING STNS ARE NOTED BT
                <net control station> IM 
                <station 1> IM
                <station 2> IM
                <station 3> IM
                <station 4> IM
                <etc.> IM
                <final station>/BA BT

           Once the list is broadcast, the acting net control station may
           broadcast announcements, as appropriate, from time to time, and
           the roundtable is then started:

                <station 1>/BA DE <net control station>/BA K

           Then when station 1 is done, the soapbox is passed to station 2:

                <station 2>/BA DE <station 1>/BA K

           and on it goes for the rest of the round.  The last station in
           the list passes control back to the acting net control station.

    Note:  If the acting net control station gets tired and needs a break
           he should pass the net control along to another station who should
           then assume control from the top of the list, replacing the prior
           net control station who gets moved to the bottom of the list.
           It would be appropriate for the new net control station to
           send the wait signal, call for new stations, and update the
           roundtable stations list.

    Note:  If a station wishes to QRT, the station should advise the
           acting net control of this and then the next time the roundtable
           list is sent, the acting net control will delete the QRT station
           and all participants should do likewise to their lists.

That is basically a very loose informal ``net'' type of structure, and
NOT a formal net, for sure.  If there are only three or four stations,
then the formalities can be tossed aside, and most of the time the
protocol works fine, just passing the soapbox around.  If the herd
arives with a dozen stations, the someone should actively assume the
net control station function to keep the thing rolling along smoothly.
Usually, the station with the loudest signal should assume control.

Generally, most folks meet on 3579 during the winter, although some
folks try 1802R500 KHZ and some folks try 7050 KHZ.  I think 160 is
coming into fine form, of late, and should make for some fine roundtables.

In earlier times, we tried the first hour on 40M, the second hour on
80M, and the third hour on 160M, but that made for a lot of excessive
QSY'ing.  I tend to think sticking on 3579R545 first, and if folks are
interested, to QSY up or down to the other bands, depending upon conditions,
is maybe the best way to do it.  But, for the present, there are no hard
and fast rules.  If you prefer to run 40M, then go directly to 40M first.
Someone is usually around the 40/80M QRG's anytime after dark.

That about covers the basics of the very informal roundtable style
BA/GB ``Net''.  As you can see, it is NOT a formal net structure, but
it does have some similarites thereto.  Since many of our brethren are
not net traffic types, well versed in proper net protocols (which can
be a bit terse and cryptic and requires a bit of polish to operate well),
I have always been of the opinion that the BA/GB ``Net'' should NOT be
so formally structured that folks get a tad gunshy.  It is supposed to
be FUN, a good chance to fires ye up yer treasured glowinbottleburners,
a chance to discuss the gear and what you did to get it up and running,
a chance to ask for help or hints on BA/GB related topics, as well as
a chance to brush up on yer operatin' skills and practices.  Once in
a while, when the folks are few and far between, the QRQ will run at
a comfy 20-30wpm, but not too often.  The standard and accepted practice
is to QRQ/QRS to the speed of the slowest operator aboard, at any time in
the net.  Most folks use a straight sending iron, some a SLO-Bug sort of
thing, and a few folks use them thar keyer automatic thingies.  I be a
stick-in-de-ol'-mud an' prefers one o' them thar Vibroplex thingies,
with a big 50A alligator clip on her nose to tame her down a tad.
If anyone should want to QRQ, a bit, nudge the acting net control along.
If anyone should want to QRS, a bit, set the brakes on the net control stn.

The point is, ``don't be gunshy, but do jump in to the fracas and have
some fine etherburnin' time aboard the ol' BA/GB watch.''
 
> I'd like very much to participate in these nets now that the HW-16 is
> running, and the SB-301/401 twins are on the road to recovery.

Well, then, fires ye up yer bottlburners, an' readys ye yer key at the fore,
cuz that thar BA/GB ``Net'' thingie has been right well participated in, of
late, and a great joy to behold.

Enuf, said ......

Welcome Aboard!

73/ZUT DE NA4G/Bob UP

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:16:05 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked] (), [email-masked],
Subject: Re: BA/GB ``Net'' Sked and Procedures --- followup
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> 
> What is the "IM" after the calls in the "Net procedure?"
> I never heard of using IM before... Is it a prosign?
> What do it mean?

My non-thinking...... only got 3 hrs sleep last nite --- up too late in the
shack and darn emergency alarms went off on a freezer here in the lab so
I was out chasing problems at 4 in the morning --- bummer.....(:+{{.....

The IM is a CW separatory sign.  The commercial operators use IM while
the hams for some reason have used AA (never was clear why -- anyone know).

Separatory signs are used to ``separate'' elements of a list, or lines
of address (a form of a specialized list) in routine chit chat or traffic.
The acting net control's list of checkins is such a list, and the use
of the separatory sign (commercial or ham version) is appropriate between
the elements of the list.  It's use is such that it should be easily
understood by all, in practice.  Actually, folks would know even without
the use of the separatory sign that it was a list, right?.... oh, well.....

I prefer the commercial operators version, since that is what is used
in broadcast WX/PX from places like WCC, etc., and what I am used to
hearing.
 
> p.s. I STILL want to work you using either of those xtals you sent 
> me!
>  What is your location?

Best use 3579R545 for now.  40M is so-so around here in the evenings.
Trust yer televiseocolorbursteoroccos, and you should be with a khz or so.
I am in rural Raleigh, NC --- down a tad suthern it be... almost down east...

73/ZUT DE NA4G/Bob UP

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:34:33 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked] (), [email-masked]
Subject: Henrietta Hartley vs 1BCG -- will it be heard?????
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

I was on 160 last nite and heard 1BCG quite well (rst 589) here in NC.
For the fun of it, I fired up Big Bertha Radiomarine to see if I could
get him.  Nil QSO, though.  That was even with Bertha belchin a quarter
keelowatty.  Right almost fired me dander up.  Surely the band were dead.

For a change of pace, I decided to fire up the 1932 QST Grammer Hartley rig
with the BIG 6336 bottle at 5 watts (Miss Henrietta Hartley) and see if it
was me or the band.  Worked Lynchburg, VA from Raleigh, NC with 589 on 5
watts input.  Musta not been the band.  Ol' 1BCG musta been using a John
Reinartz tuner or such.  But, I will try again, tonight.

1BCG had a fine T8 note, befitting a brace o' UV-204A's at full steam.
If ye can get yer glowingspitzensparkenfirebottleetherburner up on 160,
ye oughta try to rustle up ol' 1BCG.  The QSL might be nice wallpaper.

I will have Miss Henrietta Hartley fired up an tweakin' the ether after
0300Z tonight, so sees ifs ye can 'ears the sassy lil' Miss on the BA/GB
160M QRG o' 1802R500 (plus a little up, depending upon how much I wanna
hug the band edge with her).  Also be runnin' the '01A two tuber regenerator
for a tuner.  It would be neat to get ol' 1BCG with the little Miss Hartley,
tho.....

73/ZUT DE NA4G/Bob UP

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:54:45 -0700
From: Doug <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: BA/GB ``Net'' Sked and Procedures --- followup
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> >
> > What is the "IM" after the calls in the "Net procedure?"
> > I never heard of using IM before... Is it a prosign?
> > What do it mean?
> 
>
> The IM is a CW separatory sign.  The commercial operators use IM while
> the hams for some reason have used AA (never was clear why -- anyone know).
> 
> Separatory signs are used to ``separate'' elements of a list, or lines
> of address (a form of a specialized list) in routine chit chat or traffic.
> The acting net control's list of checkins is such a list, and the use
> of the separatory sign (commercial or ham version) is appropriate between
> the elements of the list.  It's use is such that it should be easily
> understood by all, in practice.  Actually, folks would know even without
> the use of the separatory sign that it was a list, right?.... oh, well.....
> 
> I prefer the commercial operators version, since that is what is used
> in broadcast WX/PX from places like WCC, etc., and what I am used to
> hearing.

> 73/ZUT DE NA4G/Bob UP
HI Bob and the bunch...the way I learned it in the Navy and on the old
Landline circuits was that "IM" meant throw the Carriage on the old
Remington Rand...or, a list was being transmitted.  I think if someone
tossed that in on the air now it'd just put me in the ditch...I still
run lots of Morse but dont think I've heard the separatory sign for 20
years.

Have Fun....
Doug, K7YD

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:54:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joel R. Hallas 716-223-4153" <[email-masked]>
To: glowbugs <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Henrietta Hartley vs 1BCG -- will it be heard?????
Message-ID: <"C292ZWPOR7H0T*/R=VAXA/R=A1/U=HALLAS JR/"@MHS>

          Well, sad to admit I did contact them (close to ancestral home) 
          with the solid state ten-tec at 100 w into semi-vertical 50 ft. 
          wire against copper baseboard heating system from near Rochester 
          NY, about 300 air miles. I don't think they had the first team on 
          last night and there were a lot of folk calling. Hopefully as they 
          get more into it, they will work more folk quicker!
          
          BTW, I was prepared to use the Ranger I and HQ-129X if they were 
          operating more split than my Corsair (3 KHz) can handle. But since 
          they wern't, full break-in beat out GB!
          
          73 and keep trying!
          
          Joel, W1ZR/2

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:26:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Wood <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Need fancy vernier dial
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hello everyone!

I am embarking on a new transmitter project (4 bands, 6DQ6 final, built-in 
tube VFO - followed next by an 811 amplifier in a similar box).  I have
scrounged
up an old SB-102 cabinet (totally lacking in
parts that aren't chassis), a schematic, and bunches of the other things that
somehow go in it and ultimately make it work.

So what could I be lackin??  A neat vernier for the front.  All I have are the
cheesy little Japanese kind (like Radio Shack used to sell for $6).  I'd like
to find an old National, or better still one from a gutted out old rig that
is removable as a unit and would fit on the front of an SB-102 sized box.  I am
a dyed-in-the-wool advocate of using stippings before buying new, and I bet
there
are some old dead (RIP) tube rigs from the Great Period that would be happy
to see their verniers again be twisted. The only requirement is that it be a
unified component, and capable of fitting the space on the front of an SB-102
with a bit of room beneath and above.  Ideal would be to have 1 inch above 
and below or so, and about 5 inches across.

I have stuff fer tradin' (some old bottles like maybe 10Y's even!) for one
of these
jewels.

Dig in those there junk boxes and see if you might have an extra or one that can
be fixed up to work, and I'll see if I have anything you can use.  If all else
fails, I could resort to cash even!

Thanks for any input or replies!

73's

Dave Ellison  WB7AWK

aka [email-masked]
aka [email-masked] (when I'm at work goofing off)
* * * * * * * * 

"Sure it's 1939 technology.  But it's GOOD 1939 technology"

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:21:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Gordon Gekko <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Seeking vernier dial (same letter)
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

This is a repeat of my last message (sorry) from my work
account, and I don't get replies at home on that one.  So
I've reposted with my [email-masked] account to get the
responses.  What a fiasco!  Sorry for the email duplication.

Hello everyone!

I am embarking on a new transmitter project (4 bands, 6DQ6 final, built-in 
tube VFO - followed next by an 811 amplifier in a similar box).  I have
scrounged
up an old SB-102 cabinet (totally lacking in
parts that aren't chassis), a schematic, and bunches of the other things that
somehow go in it and ultimately make it work.

So what could I be lackin??  A neat vernier for the front.  All I have are the
cheesy little Japanese kind (like Radio Shack used to sell for $6).  I'd like
to find an old National, or better still one from a gutted out old rig that
is removable as a unit and would fit on the front of an SB-102 sized box.  I am
a dyed-in-the-wool advocate of using stippings before buying new, and I bet
there
are some old dead (RIP) tube rigs from the Great Period that would be happy
to see their verniers again be twisted. The only requirement is that it be a
unified component, and capable of fitting the space on the front of an SB-102
with a bit of room beneath and above.  Ideal would be to have 1 inch above 
and below or so, and about 5 inches across.

I have stuff fer tradin' (some old bottles like maybe 10Y's even!) for one
of these
jewels.

Dig in those there junk boxes and see if you might have an extra or one that can
be fixed up to work, and I'll see if I have anything you can use.  If all else
fails, I could resort to cash even!

Thanks for any input or replies!

73's

Dave Ellison  WB7AWK

aka [email-masked]
aka [email-masked] (when I'm at work goofing off)
* * * * * * * * 

"Sure it's 1939 technology.  But it's GOOD 1939 technology"

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 08:46:56 CDT
From: "Cory Hine" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: WTB
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

     Need 2 Collins Rack Mounts for KWM-2A.  Anyone have any?

     Thanks,

     Cory/N2AQS/AFA4TZ

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:43:02 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked] (), [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Henrietta Hartley vs 1BCG -- will it be heard?????
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

>           Well, sad to admit I did contact them (close to ancestral home) 
>           with the solid state ten-tec at 100 w into semi-vertical 50 ft. 
>           wire against copper baseboard heating system from near Rochester 
>           NY, about 300 air miles. I don't think they had the first team on 
>           last night and there were a lot of folk calling. Hopefully as they 
>           get more into it, they will work more folk quicker!

No problem!  At least you got them.  When are they going to get the chops
on watch!

Well, IF one expects to run a special event station, and I would expect
that it qualifies for that by ``modern standards'', they really need to
get some OT chops on the brass monkey and hustle it along.  Last night,
they could not even muster 10wpm on a straight key.  Several times they
were down to 5wpm.  With a pileup on them from all directions, it sort
of was less than optimal, to put it mildly.

I thought of trying it again with Big Bertha belching her 200 watts out, 
but that would be cheating the spirit of the operation.  I will try again
tonight with Henrietta and her brother regen and see if they can be heard
if things get a bit slow.  Henrietta dances nicely with the wolves at a
35wpm QSK, so she can compete with the TenTecs if need be.  She and Grandma
Hartley run QSK with the locals, all the time at QRQ (just to keep them
chuckling) on 3520.  Last nite, Henrietta was a bit skittish in the QRG
because of winds blowing the antenna wire about, but she stayed within
half a kc or so.

>           BTW, I was prepared to use the Ranger I and HQ-129X if they were 
>           operating more split than my Corsair (3 KHz) can handle. But since 
>           they wern't, full break-in beat out GB!

Any proper Hartley such as Henrietta can QSK with the boys at QRQ.  It just
takes some gettin' used to, and separate antennas or a genuine Leach QSK
spark relay from the 20's (I am surprised 1BCG is not set up that way for
the special event, even though Leach's relays were not available in 1921
from what I can gather --- QST ran an article on them about 1925).  If I
remember correctly, the '27 handbook has some info on setting up those
Leach relays for QSK.

It almost sounded as if they had a hot key (like keying the B- line or
such without a keying relay).  They seemed timid on the ol' brass monkey
for sure.  Maybe it was just butterflies in the fist o' the junior operator.
I dunno whether or not QSK would have made any difference in their operation.
         
>           73 and keep trying!
>           Joel, W1ZR/2

Most definitely!  If Godley could do it across the pond, surely Henrietta
and her brother regen can cut it from a little ways down east.

73/ZUT DE NA4G/Bob UP

p.s.  160 was pretty hot last night.  Mebbee a few glowbugs needst burn
      an ether hole or two down on the QRG 1802R500 KCS QTR 0400Z?
      (Boatanchors, they be welcome, too.....(:+}}.....)

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