Article: 227741 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "brizzy bastard" References: <43C15BA4.3F39@orcon.net.nz> <43c793c4$0$2255$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <43C80CF5.2B5C@orcon.net.nz> <43c83db7$0$17190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <43c8eaa8$0$13318$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <44d69eec@quokka.wn.com.au> Subject: Radio Direction Finder Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:44:55 +1000 Message-ID: <44d6d365$0$11970$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> A cheap tracking device can be purchased through one of the following pages. http://tech-software.net/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page& PAGE_id=5&MMN_position=7:7 http://www.silcom.com/~pelican2/PicoDopp/PICODOPP.htm I really don't think tracking devices have to be expensive but if you don't like paying for a good one, then I can provide a very simple 555ic timer circuit you can use that will cost about $10 to make. Here is the circuit of a very simple but workable tracking device that I once used to track a signal to tandy's store in the toowong towers in Brisbane. Once you learn how to use it, you can track to a square metre. A hand held radio is the best choice of radio to use with the tracker. This shop blocked ch 7 for 3 days until I had some free time to go and see where it was coming from. The same shop did it again some time later and the culprit lost his job at that location thanks to a night time worker that was on the ball. The signal was a radio on the shelf connected to power with a small antenna and a clip lead over the mic insert to hold it on tx. http://www.k1ttt.net/technote/doppler.html http://au.geocities.com/vk4jzz/side.jpg "me" wrote in message news:44d69eec@quokka.wn.com.au... > Kev wrote: > > Kev a tanker wanker ,,,, do tell more Kev Deck or ER ? > > > > news wrote: > > > >> yes thanks glenn. I would like a copy of the circuit. > >> > >> email james_about@hotmail.com with the info please. > >> > >> Any thing you need also. I keep a fairly extensive collection of radio > >> software and circuits. > >> > >> And gidday to Kev ....tanker wanker. private joke. > >> > >> > > > > :) > > > > > > Kev Article: 227742 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: 9A4QV Subject: Comet triband CX-901 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:28:03 +0200 Message-ID: Hello, I have the mentioned antenna but in the transport I lost my radials and manuals. Can you be so kind to tell me the length of the radials. (Length with and without the threads) Also it will be nice to know the diameter of the radials. Thanks in advance, Adam, 9A4QV Article: 227743 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: ml Subject: Re: sat ant question References: <20060805141055.3e228a15@localhost> <20060805192158.3dcc97f1@localhost> <4Y7Bg.4475$gY6.477@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <20060806005142.7b4d9f3f@localhost> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:31:22 GMT Someone asked if i was referring to amateur sat's, yes i was referring to the amateur sats exclusivly my question remains, so if i must loose one compass direction what should it be? thanks In article <20060806005142.7b4d9f3f@localhost>, Dominique Michel wrote: > Le Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:20:00 GMT, > Bob a écrit : > > > Dominique, > > I am also speaking from personal and professional experience with Ku > > QPSK MCPC systems. Signal loss through the glass in dB correlates with > > the same decrease in Eb/No in digital systems. I am curious what your > > location is and what systems you have worked with. > > Bob > > > > I am in Switzerland now, but the location at that time (2 years ago) was near > Malmö in Sweden. > The kind of system I was working with was mostly consumer grade electronics, > 50 % Nokia complete sat system, and 50 % other brands as philips or samsung. > All digital. A few years before that it was mostly analog systems, but the > transition between analog and digital was going very fast. > > I have done a few big installations too, but is was mostly mixed > analog-digital cable TV here, or analog sat mixed with normal TV antennas. > > For the sats, the most wanted was Sirius, Thor, Hotbird and Astra. And it was > on ku band too. > > For the parabol antenna, my favorite ones was nokia and Wisi. Wisi have a > good quality and not only consumer grads products, but also professional > material, and they have a technical staff that know the job very well. > > Dominique > > > Dominique Michel wrote: > > > Le Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:33:07 GMT, > > > Bob a écrit : > > > > > >> Are you asking about amateur satellite operation or TV reception via > > >> satellites? Although Dominique’s explanation of digital satellite > > >> signals passing through glass may be explained on paper, it has no merit > > >> in actual use. Some glass has attenuation at C/Ku frequencies but this > > >> purely shows up as signal reduction with associated loss of C/N, BER, > > >> etc in digital systems. Analog and digital satellite reception are > > >> affected the same. > > >> Bob > > >> > > > > > > What I say here is based on personal experience. And it is for TV > > > reception that use phase multiplexing in order to send many different > > > channels on the same frequency. The signal going through a glass is > > > affected in a way that do impossible to receive some channels. A bigger > > > parabol will change nothing, it is just to remove the glass to get all > > > the channels. > > > > > > You get exactly the same effect if the shape of the parabol is not > > > perfect (as it can append after a hazard under transportation), it will > > > work just fine for analog reception but with a digital tuner, some > > > channels will work when others will not. It is just to change the > > > parabol to get all the channels. Sometime, the defect with the shape of > > > the parabol is so little as you see nothing with the eyes, but you > > > change it against another one from the same model and it just work. I > > > installed hundreds of parabol antenna, and it was never a problem with > > > a wholesaler or a manufacturer to change a defective parabol, they know > > > this problem very well. > > > > > > Dominique > > > > > >> Dominique Michel wrote: > > >>> Le Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:38:23 GMT, > > >>> ml a écrit : > > >>> > > >>>> hi > > >>>> > > >>>> thinking about getting into sat's, and have a newbie question > > >>>> > > >>>> i may only be permitted to put up my antennas on a part of the roof > > >>>> that > > >>>> would be blocked by a structure(elevator room) > > >>>> > > >>>> so in 1 compass direction or so to almost straight up i would be > > >>>> blind > > >>>> > > >>>> question: > > >>>> > > >>>> so is their a particular compas headding that is best to loose? > > >>> It MUST be a direct view from the antenna to the sat. Otherwise is it > > >>> just to forget it. With analog reception, the antenna can work very > > >>> well through a glass window, or while directing the antenna on a > > >>> reflexion (at least if you can afford a high end tuner in this last > > >>> case), > > >>> by but with digital reception, even a tiny glass will cause a > > >>> lot of trouble (some channels will just disappear), because the digital > > >>> technique use phase multiplexing > > >>> and the phase of the signal will change in a non linear fashion through > > >>> the glass or on a reflexion. > > >>> > > >>> Dominique Article: 227744 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Jerry Martes" References: <20060805141055.3e228a15@localhost> <20060805192158.3dcc97f1@localhost> <4Y7Bg.4475$gY6.477@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <20060806005142.7b4d9f3f@localhost> Subject: Re: sat ant question Message-ID: <6qHBg.9394$qw5.7976@trnddc06> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:41:22 GMT "ml" wrote in message news:m-3712CF.05314007082006@news.verizon.net... > Someone asked if i was referring to amateur sat's, yes i was referring > to the amateur sats exclusivly > > my question remains, so if i must loose one compass direction what > should it be? > > thanks Hi ml The least valuable compass direction for you is either East or West, if the satellites are Polar Orbiting Satellites. Jerry SNIP SNIP Article: 227745 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: gwatts Subject: Re: sat ant question References: <20060805141055.3e228a15@localhost> <20060805192158.3dcc97f1@localhost> <4Y7Bg.4475$gY6.477@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <20060806005142.7b4d9f3f@localhost> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:56:04 GMT ml wrote: > Someone asked if i was referring to amateur sat's, yes i was referring > to the amateur sats exclusivly > > my question remains, so if i must loose one compass direction what > should it be? > > thanks In the limited amateur satellite action I've had I've needed all four compass directions but early on got away with only having an azimuth rotator, fixing elevation at about 50 degrees above the horizon. I didn't get the low el passes well or at all until I had an elevation rotor but it worked quite well most other times. If you're thinking you'd only use an elevation rotor so you could track horizon to horizon I'd set it up on a north-south line, not only for the polar orbit sats but also it probably wouldn't be so bad for the others. If you're using yagis I'd put the elements perpendicular to the direction of tracking, parallel to the axis of rotation due to the beamwidth of a yagi in that direction. Personally I'd start with azimuth only if I couldn't do both axis simultaneously. Good luck, Galen, W8LNA Article: 227746 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Ricke" Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Date: 7 Aug 2006 07:09:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1154959745.516250.237570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> Love it, get up on cb channels to do CW practice. The sheer irratation factor is worth learning code Rick N4NKR Article: 227747 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "David G. Nagel" Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: <12delfl7fg2g586@corp.supernews.com> References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <7ifcb2pnsk4dfm7sqgq0fk5o2blct6i9r7@4ax.com> <641db29d5dd2dsn4ofkgdc7dr02nq7ugr1@4ax.com> <44b69682$0$3634$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1154959745.516250.237570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Ricke wrote: > Love it, get up on cb channels to do CW practice. The sheer irratation > factor is worth learning code > > Rick > N4NKR > If one wishes to operate legally on 11 meters do not use CW or tone CW. The only legal modes of communicating there is AM or SSB voice. Tone maybe used as an alerting mechanism but not for other methods of communication. Even though licenses are not required and most (not all) persons don't follow the regs there, if you are caught violating the regs there you can be refused an Amateur License. It can and does happen from time to time. Dave WD9BDZ Article: 227748 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Bart" Subject: Homemade 440 yagi question Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:29:12 GMT I built a 6 element 432mhz yagi from instructions in the ARRL Handbook. I used a 1" wood dowel for the beam and 1/4" aluminum rod for the elements. I used a "T" match on the driven element. One on each side, just like the illustrations show. And a 1/2 wavelength phasing line. But the instructions don't show or say if the driven element is split in the middle. Shouldn't the driven element be split. Article: 227749 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Re: Homemade 440 yagi question From: Dave Oldridge References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:57:52 GMT "Bart" wrote in news:c%IBg.223918$mF2.164803@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > I built a 6 element 432mhz yagi from instructions in the ARRL > Handbook. I used a 1" wood dowel for the beam and 1/4" aluminum rod > for the elements. I used a "T" match on the driven element. One on > each side, just like the illustrations show. And a 1/2 wavelength > phasing line. > > But the instructions don't show or say if the driven element is split > in the middle. > > Shouldn't the driven element be split. The short answer is no. The T-match produces a current through that portion. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 Article: 227750 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "K7ITM" Subject: Re: Homemade 440 yagi question Date: 7 Aug 2006 10:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1154970136.457578.299980@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Think of the "T" match (with the driven element) as being similar to a folded dipole. The element should not have a break in the middle, just as the second wire in the folded dipole should not. If you put a break in the middle, it would become for all practical purposes just a center-driven dipole. Cheers, Tom Bart wrote: > I built a 6 element 432mhz yagi from instructions in the ARRL Handbook. I > used a 1" wood dowel for the beam and 1/4" aluminum rod for the elements. I > used a "T" match on the driven element. One on each side, just like the > illustrations show. And a 1/2 wavelength phasing line. > > But the instructions don't show or say if the driven element is split in the > middle. > > Shouldn't the driven element be split. Article: 227751 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "L." References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <7ifcb2pnsk4dfm7sqgq0fk5o2blct6i9r7@4ax.com> <641db29d5dd2dsn4ofkgdc7dr02nq7ugr1@4ax.com> <44b69682$0$3634$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1154959745.516250.237570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <12delfl7fg2g586@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:35:59 -0400 Message-ID: <44d7a423$0$6604$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "David G. Nagel" wrote in message news:12delfl7fg2g586@corp.supernews.com... > Ricke wrote: > >> Love it, get up on cb channels to do CW practice. The sheer irratation >> factor is worth learning code >> >> Rick >> N4NKR >> > > If one wishes to operate legally on 11 meters do not use CW or tone CW. > The only legal modes of communicating there is AM or SSB voice. Tone maybe > used as an alerting mechanism but not for other methods of communication. > > Even though licenses are not required and most (not all) persons don't > follow the regs there, if you are caught violating the regs there you can > be refused an Amateur License. It can and does happen from time to time. > > Dave WD9BDZ This is true! As the man said, tho most don't follow them - they DO exist. They WILL be enforced - if so desired. Actually, an infraction of any radio rule can deem you ineligible for not only an Amateur Licence but also any other license from the FCC - even GROL. IF you hold a GROL and do something stupid with it, it can cause your "amateur" license to be stripped. Ignorance is no excuse. When you sign the forms - and your license(s) - you agree to abide by the R/Rs. Article: 227752 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "TimBob" Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Date: 7 Aug 2006 13:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> In "Indepedance Day" morse code saves the world from the alien invasion! They made a movie about it so it must be true! Tim N7XAU Cecil Moore wrote: > Dave wrote: > > C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. > > Does that mean we're virtually obsolete? > > My favorite mode is CW and it's a fun mode but it is never > going to save the world. > -- > 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Article: 227753 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:48:34 -0400 From: Dave Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: What MUST be true?... Alien invasion!! When? Where? How?? TimBob wrote: > In "Indepedance Day" morse code saves the world from the alien > invasion! They made a movie about it so it must be true! > Tim N7XAU > Cecil Moore wrote: > >>Dave wrote: >> >>>C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. >>>Does that mean we're virtually obsolete? >> >>My favorite mode is CW and it's a fun mode but it is never >>going to save the world. >>-- >>73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp > > Article: 227754 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:49:08 -0400 From: Dave Subject: Re: Homemade 440 yagi question References: Message-ID: Bart wrote: > I built a 6 element 432mhz yagi from instructions in the ARRL Handbook. I > used a 1" wood dowel for the beam and 1/4" aluminum rod for the elements. I > used a "T" match on the driven element. One on each side, just like the > illustrations show. And a 1/2 wavelength phasing line. > > But the instructions don't show or say if the driven element is split in the > middle. > > Shouldn't the driven element be split. > > NOT with a Tee match! Article: 227755 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Timothy@tholtom.freeserve.co.uk Subject: HELP!! More Antenna Noise Date: 7 Aug 2006 13:52:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1154983936.154592.20990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In an earlier post (see Help!! Antenna Noise), I detailed how I live on the 9th floor (top) of an appartment block, had built a 1/4 wave vertical antenna, using a balcony railing as the counterpoise. When the antenna was connected to my handheld Yaesu VR-500 receiver (scanner/comms receiver), the result was noise at 8+ S units... Two people very kindly responded to my original post, and suggested what I might do to find where the problem was. The antenna is picking up noise from somewhere (not the counterpoise or the connecting coax, they exhibit no noise when connected in isolation to the main antenna). Neither was the problem to do with the receiver being overwhelmed by the signal, as I drove into the countryside, setup the antenna, and the signal was fine... I then tried the following: 1) Connected the small helical antenna that comes with the VR-500 and the noise VANISHES. Good. 2) Connected a simple half metre telescopic antenna to the VR-500, and the noise returns. Not good... Question: The helical antenna with the VR-500 obviously has some kind of loading coil, at the BNC plug end. So I was wondering exactly what kind of loading/matching, would there be in this antenna, that is able to sucessfully kill the noise that plagues me here in Brussels, surrounded as I am by tram and train lines (assuming this is the problem of course)? Could I build something like this to filter the noise being picked up by my antenna? Any ideas? Circuit diagrams? Thanks!! Tim Article: 227756 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "David G. Nagel" Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: <12dfchip21io6a7@corp.supernews.com> References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <7ifcb2pnsk4dfm7sqgq0fk5o2blct6i9r7@4ax.com> <641db29d5dd2dsn4ofkgdc7dr02nq7ugr1@4ax.com> <44b69682$0$3634$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1154959745.516250.237570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <12delfl7fg2g586@corp.supernews.com> <44d7a423$0$6604$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> L. wrote: > "David G. Nagel" wrote in message > news:12delfl7fg2g586@corp.supernews.com... > >>Ricke wrote: >> >> >>>Love it, get up on cb channels to do CW practice. The sheer irratation >>>factor is worth learning code >>> >>>Rick >>>N4NKR >>> >> >>If one wishes to operate legally on 11 meters do not use CW or tone CW. >>The only legal modes of communicating there is AM or SSB voice. Tone maybe >>used as an alerting mechanism but not for other methods of communication. >> >>Even though licenses are not required and most (not all) persons don't >>follow the regs there, if you are caught violating the regs there you can >>be refused an Amateur License. It can and does happen from time to time. >> >>Dave WD9BDZ > > > This is true! As the man said, tho most don't follow them - they DO exist. > They WILL be enforced - if so desired. Actually, an infraction of any radio > rule can deem you ineligible for not only an Amateur Licence but also any > other license from the FCC - even GROL. IF you hold a GROL and do something > stupid with it, it can cause your "amateur" license to be stripped. > Ignorance is no excuse. When you sign the forms - and your license(s) - you > agree to abide by the R/Rs. > > > Apparently if you have been convicted of a felony anything you can loose your license also. Dave WD9BDZ Article: 227757 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "David G. Nagel" Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <12dfckjinvnqs05@corp.supernews.com> References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> TimBob wrote: > In "Indepedance Day" morse code saves the world from the alien > invasion! They made a movie about it so it must be true! > Tim N7XAU > Cecil Moore wrote: > >>Dave wrote: >> >>>C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. >>>Does that mean we're virtually obsolete? >> >>My favorite mode is CW and it's a fun mode but it is never >>going to save the world. >>-- >>73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp > > If I recall correctly the IDF officer said the US was communicating in "old fashioned morse code". Dave N Article: 227758 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "L." References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <7ifcb2pnsk4dfm7sqgq0fk5o2blct6i9r7@4ax.com> <641db29d5dd2dsn4ofkgdc7dr02nq7ugr1@4ax.com> <44b69682$0$3634$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1154959745.516250.237570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <12delfl7fg2g586@corp.supernews.com> <44d7a423$0$6604$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <12dfchip21io6a7@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: <44d7b5c7$0$6601$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "David G. Nagel" wrote in message news:12dfchip21io6a7@corp.supernews.com... > L. wrote: >> "David G. Nagel" wrote in message >> news:12delfl7fg2g586@corp.supernews.com... >> >>>Ricke wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Love it, get up on cb channels to do CW practice. The sheer irratation >>>>factor is worth learning code >>>> >>>>Rick >>>>N4NKR >>>> >>> >>>If one wishes to operate legally on 11 meters do not use CW or tone CW. >>>The only legal modes of communicating there is AM or SSB voice. Tone >>>maybe used as an alerting mechanism but not for other methods of >>>communication. >>> >>>Even though licenses are not required and most (not all) persons don't >>>follow the regs there, if you are caught violating the regs there you can >>>be refused an Amateur License. It can and does happen from time to time. >>> >>>Dave WD9BDZ >> >> >> This is true! As the man said, tho most don't follow them - they DO >> exist. They WILL be enforced - if so desired. Actually, an infraction of >> any radio rule can deem you ineligible for not only an Amateur Licence >> but also any other license from the FCC - even GROL. IF you hold a GROL >> and do something stupid with it, it can cause your "amateur" license to >> be stripped. Ignorance is no excuse. When you sign the forms - and your >> license(s) - you agree to abide by the R/Rs. >> >> >> > > Apparently if you have been convicted of a felony anything you can loose > your license also. > > Dave WD9BDZ You're correct - and just a few days ago - there was a case of a "licensed" individual who "allegedly" molested children and was convicted - the FCC was debating renewing his license. So, it appears they take a dim view on "criminals" being "license" holders. I guess they feel if you can't obey the law of the land, why would you obey their rules and regulations! I wonder if they take into account any one who's been convicted and had "successful" rehab? That would be interesting to know. L. Article: 227759 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "L." References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <12dfckjinvnqs05@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: <44d7b5c8$0$6601$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "David G. Nagel" wrote in message news:12dfckjinvnqs05@corp.supernews.com... > TimBob wrote: > >> In "Indepedance Day" morse code saves the world from the alien >> invasion! They made a movie about it so it must be true! >> Tim N7XAU >> Cecil Moore wrote: >> >>>Dave wrote: >>> >>>>C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. >>>>Does that mean we're virtually obsolete? >>> >>>My favorite mode is CW and it's a fun mode but it is never >>>going to save the world. >>>-- >>>73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp >> >> > > > If I recall correctly the IDF officer said the US was communicating in > "old fashioned morse code". > > Dave N I once seen a copy of the "code" used by other countries. There were "some" - if not many differences. I also seen a copy of "supposedly" the old west code - used .......... Man, what a difference - IF ALL WERE TRUE - that is........ I'm only reporting what I seen, can't say for sure if true or not. It was interesting to say the least. Maybe - and I"m going on a limb here to guess - the "differences" in the other countries code - was short hand much like our Q signals. L. Article: 227760 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Al Klein Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Message-ID: References: <44d20fd9$0$2919$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44d216cb$0$2920$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <6ic7d2diqkk5go86t8bo86ik3c43t3laco@4ax.com> <44d3b80f$0$2919$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1154726291.953345.94290@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1154806401.369014.158580@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1154850887.959554.15680@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:05:36 -0400 On 6 Aug 2006 00:54:48 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: >nope handihams has no respect for LD's at all There's a difference between lack of ability and lack of desire. The latter is just plain laziness. Article: 227761 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Jim Kelley Subject: Re: neighborhood antenna restrictions Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <43ivc2dimh39i9c79uus1a1thseoj48ke8@4ax.com> <0mc7d2di3vfh0q12jevrjdi1al2i7f6k3d@4ax.com> Bill Turner wrote: > Is Silverado a stealth community? Not anymore! I went to > > http://www.hometownlocator.com/City/Silverado-California.cfm > > and the map shows a bunch of towns, but not that one. You're right. It doesn't really exist. My zip code has a 'j' in front of it. ;-) > Actually, that might be good for a ham worried about Homeowners > Associations. :-) It's good if you don't mind having the horizon at +30 degrees elevation. BTW, sorry I confused you with another Bill - similar call. 73, ac6xg Article: 227762 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Richard Clark Subject: Re: HELP!! More Antenna Noise Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:03:43 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1154983936.154592.20990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 7 Aug 2006 13:52:16 -0700, Timothy@tholtom.freeserve.co.uk wrote: >So I was wondering exactly what >kind of loading/matching, would there be in this antenna, that is able >to sucessfully kill the noise Hi Tim, Absolutely none. Try carrying your receiver around with that same small helical antenna attached, and turned on for monitoring. Walk through the hallways nearby your apartment on your floor, and the floors above and below you. Go outside and do the same around the block. All of this shouldn't take more than an hour and should be conclusive. As you go along, you might try alternating between the small helical antenna and the simple half metre telescopic antenna which does pull in this noise. Finally, what does the noise sound like? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Article: 227763 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? From: Slow Code References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <7ifcb2pnsk4dfm7sqgq0fk5o2blct6i9r7@4ax.com> <641db29d5dd2dsn4ofkgdc7dr02nq7ugr1@4ax.com> <44b69682$0$3634$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1154959745.516250.237570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:28:21 GMT "Ricke" wrote in news:1154959745.516250.237570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com: > Love it, get up on cb channels to do CW practice. The sheer irratation > factor is worth learning code > > Rick > N4NKR And some probably hear it and send back. the CB-Hams, A.K.A. Phonies. Article: 227764 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? From: Radio Buff References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:28:23 GMT "TimBob" wrote in news:1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com: > In "Indepedance Day" morse code saves the world from the alien > invasion! They made a movie about it so it must be true! > Tim N7XAU That movie was hokey. An alien invasion force with thousands of ships in orbit would need to use our satellites to communicate with each other. Yah, right. Sc Article: 227765 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "David G. Nagel" Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: <12dfjrdjur4nn41@corp.supernews.com> References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <12dfckjinvnqs05@corp.supernews.com> <44d7b5c8$0$6601$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> L. wrote: > "David G. Nagel" wrote in message > news:12dfckjinvnqs05@corp.supernews.com... > >>TimBob wrote: >> >> >>>In "Indepedance Day" morse code saves the world from the alien >>>invasion! They made a movie about it so it must be true! >>>Tim N7XAU >>>Cecil Moore wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Dave wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. >>>>>Does that mean we're virtually obsolete? >>>> >>>>My favorite mode is CW and it's a fun mode but it is never >>>>going to save the world. >>>>-- >>>>73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp >>> >>> >> >>If I recall correctly the IDF officer said the US was communicating in >>"old fashioned morse code". >> >>Dave N > > > I once seen a copy of the "code" used by other countries. There were > "some" - if not many differences. I also seen a copy of "supposedly" the old > west code - used .......... Man, what a difference - IF ALL WERE TRUE - that > is........ I'm only reporting what I seen, can't say for sure if true or > not. It was interesting to say the least. > > Maybe - and I"m going on a limb here to guess - the "differences" in the > other countries code - was short hand much like our Q signals. > > L. > > Morse code as used by Western Union (when they did code) is different >from International Morse code as used by radio operators. Not very different but different. DN Article: 227766 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Al Klein Subject: Re: If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Message-ID: References: <30954.oidi09.d0904.ddoi0@qkd.org> <12bactjanpufjfc@corp.supernews.com> <1154983516.647638.262900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <12dfckjinvnqs05@corp.supernews.com> <44d7b5c8$0$6601$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:16:58 -0400 On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:51:14 -0400, "L." wrote: >I once seen a copy of the "code" used by other countries. There were >"some" - if not many differences. Because there are some differences in alphabets. > I also seen a copy of "supposedly" the old >west code - used .......... Man, what a difference - IF ALL WERE TRUE - that >is That's American Morse, as opposed to International Morse, which is used on the air. American Morse is composed of dots, dashes and spaces. (Spaces are parts of the letters, not just the spaces between them.) International Morse uses just dots and dashes - the spaces are just spaces. Article: 227767 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Jerry Martes" References: <20060805141055.3e228a15@localhost> <20060805192158.3dcc97f1@localhost> <4Y7Bg.4475$gY6.477@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <20060806005142.7b4d9f3f@localhost> <6qHBg.9394$qw5.7976@trnddc06> Subject: Re: sat ant question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:41:43 GMT "ml" wrote in message news:m-2CBB39.20562907082006@news.verizon.net... > In article <6qHBg.9394$qw5.7976@trnddc06>, > "Jerry Martes" wrote: > >> "ml" wrote in message >> news:m-3712CF.05314007082006@news.verizon.net... >> > Someone asked if i was referring to amateur sat's, yes i was referring >> > to the amateur sats exclusivly >> > >> > my question remains, so if i must loose one compass direction what >> > should it be? >> > >> > thanks >> >> Hi ml >> >> The least valuable compass direction for you is either East or West, if >> the satellites are Polar Orbiting Satellites. >> >> Jerry >> >> SNIP SNIP > > thanks very much, being a real newbie i have to ask one quick one > > so are 'most' of the sat's polar orbiting? Hi ml I thought all the amateur satellites were polar orbiting. But, I really am not sure. Perhaps you could Google then download Orbitron. That site will show you all the satellites and their location as well as their path prediction. I'd strongly recomend your contacting the AMSAT group. There are some very well informed guys there. I mentioned that you might be willing to let your building shadow either East or West only because there will statistically fewer times when satelites will be passing there. the majority of the passes will be within a sector to your North-South. You will have to consider what kind of communication you want. That is, if you are interested in communicating with someone in Europe, and you are located in Florida, you sure wouldnt want to block out satellites to your East. But, if you are in Maine, you may have little interest in communicating with stations to your North. Jerry Article: 227768 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: nmo antenna mount repair From: "danielle" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: I had an NMO mount antenna on the roof of my truck that caught on an overhead door and was ripped out of its hole. The metal around the hole is now enlarged and too warped to put the NMO mount back. Does anyone know where I can get a rubber hole plug made to fit in the NMO mount hole? Or an antenna mount that will is slightly larger in diameter. So that I could enlarge the hole and then reinstall an NMO base antenna? I don't know exactly what I want to do, other than I do want an NMO mount in the roof of my truck. Does anybody have any other ideas on how to repair or replace this antenna mount? TIA Dan Yemiola AI8O Article: 227769 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: kaput829@gmail.com Subject: getting VHF channels not getting UHF channels Date: 7 Aug 2006 19:51:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1155005498.029136.108590@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but I am in the process of switching from cable tv to an antenna. I had an old antenna that i recently took down and just put up a new 80 inch boom external uhf/vhf/fm antenna. I get VHF channels perfectly, but when i get above channel 11 all i get is fuzz. I currently have the external antenna connected to a 4 way splitter and from that splitter my signal reaches my various tvs. I am assuming this is a simple problem with needing an adapter of some sorts. Any advice would be appreciated. Article: 227770 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Tam/WB2TT" References: <1155005498.029136.108590@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: getting VHF channels not getting UHF channels Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:05:01 -0400 Message-ID: wrote in message news:1155005498.029136.108590@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but I am in > the process of switching from cable tv to an antenna. I had an old > antenna that i recently took down and just put up a new 80 inch boom > external uhf/vhf/fm antenna. I get VHF channels perfectly, but when i > get above channel 11 all i get is fuzz. I currently have the external > antenna connected to a 4 way splitter and from that splitter my signal > reaches my various tvs. I am assuming this is a simple problem with > needing an adapter of some sorts. Any advice would be appreciated. > Did you go into the menue and change the setting from CATV to Antenna? UHF channels do not line up with any cable channels. Tam Article: 227771 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "David G. Nagel" Subject: Re: getting VHF channels not getting UHF channels Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:08:14 -0500 Message-ID: <12dg00v5nnblm48@corp.supernews.com> References: <1155005498.029136.108590@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> kaput829@gmail.com wrote: > I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but I am in > the process of switching from cable tv to an antenna. I had an old > antenna that i recently took down and just put up a new 80 inch boom > external uhf/vhf/fm antenna. I get VHF channels perfectly, but when i > get above channel 11 all i get is fuzz. I currently have the external > antenna connected to a 4 way splitter and from that splitter my signal > reaches my various tvs. I am assuming this is a simple problem with > needing an adapter of some sorts. Any advice would be appreciated. > Have you told the TV that it is no longer on a cable? The cable channels are different from the regular broadcast ones and a switch must be made in the menu. Dave N Article: 227772 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: John - KD5YI Subject: Re: STATION IS ON 13.556.00 MHz. LSB References: <1154753502.134296.13500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <6u8u6.lb.17.1@news.alt.net> <1154828398.867631.246080@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44D549DC.5C4BDE2C@milestones.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:21:04 GMT Slow Code wrote: > dxAce wrote in > news:44D549DC.5C4BDE2C@milestones.com: > > >> >>N9OGL wrote: >> >> >>>Not Lloyd wrote: >>> >>>> wrote in message >>>>news:LLXAg.308$f31.98@newsfe7-win.ntli.net... >>>>are you using an ex Ham transmitter? >>>>I hear with LSB/USB get further than AM but is the LSB really wide >>>>enough for quality audio? Got a grandpappys MP1000 here that will rag >>>>50 watts AM all day long, but the band width is to narrow for >>>>anything like nice music audio... Speech is nice though. Maybe there >>>>is a wider AM filter than stock, some Ham wizardry to make it fit a >>>>decent audio element on to the carrier, >>>> >>>>...................................................................... >>>> >>>>Transmitting on illegal frequencies with an illegal transceiver? >>>>Only stupid Toad would do that. >>>> >>>>Gather around the legal frequencies this evening at 14.331 as we get >>>>a forum of LEGAL Hams together to discuss the nefarious activities of >>>>Toad and Roger. Look for this forum to begin on or about nine p.m. >>>>eastern time. Toad cannot join in, nor can KB9RQZ, since they are not >>>>licensed for this freq. Roger needs no invitation...he will lurk and >>>>jam as he sees fit. >>> >>>Before you go around spouting that I'm running illegal, I would >>>suggestion that you read Part 15 (47 CFR 15) but more to the point 47 >>>CFR 15.225 >> >>How much power you running? Unable to hear you here, but I'll give a >>listen again tomorrow if you're still up and running. > > > > > 10000uV/m at 30m is the maximum. How much power into an isotropic > radiator give 10000uV/m at 30m. Of course, when the antenna has gain, > power has to be reduced to avoid illegal operation. > My guess is 3 mW. John Article: 227773 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Cecil Moore Subject: Re: getting VHF channels not getting UHF channels References: <1155005498.029136.108590@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:28:26 GMT kaput829@gmail.com wrote: > I get VHF channels perfectly, but when i > get above channel 11 all i get is fuzz. Make sure your TV has "antenna" selected instead of "cable". I have the opposite problem. When I have a power failure, my TV reverts to "antenna" and I have to reset it back to "cable". -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Article: 227774 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Re: nmo antenna mount repair From: Ed References: Message-ID: Date: 08 Aug 2006 03:59:04 GMT > > > Does anyone know where I can get a rubber hole plug made to fit in the > NMO mount hole? > During my career, I generally used Antenna Specialists rubber hole plugs, Part No. ASP K35 for your application. I'd recommend just plugging the hole and drilling a new one... not too close to the old one. Also would recommend a little Silicone RTV on the hole plug before installing. Do a Google search on the part for vendors, or you could stop by a local commercial radio maintenance shop and ask if they would sell you one. Ed K7AAT Article: 227775 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: STATION IS ON 13.556.00 MHz. LSB Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:12:06 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1154753502.134296.13500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <6u8u6.lb.17.1@news.alt.net> <1154828398.867631.246080@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44D549DC.5C4BDE2C@milestones.com> "John - KD5YI" wrote in message news:AqTBg.55239$Lh4.46900@trnddc02... > Slow Code wrote: >> dxAce wrote in >> news:44D549DC.5C4BDE2C@milestones.com: >>> >>>N9OGL wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Not Lloyd wrote: >>>> >>>>> wrote in message >>>>>news:LLXAg.308$f31.98@newsfe7-win.ntli.net... >>>>>are you using an ex Ham transmitter? >>>>>I hear with LSB/USB get further than AM but is the LSB really wide >>>>>enough for quality audio? Got a grandpappys MP1000 here that will rag >>>>>50 watts AM all day long, but the band width is to narrow for >>>>>anything like nice music audio... Speech is nice though. Maybe there >>>>>is a wider AM filter than stock, some Ham wizardry to make it fit a >>>>>decent audio element on to the carrier, >>>>>...................................................................... >>>>> >>>>>Transmitting on illegal frequencies with an illegal transceiver? >>>>>Only stupid Toad would do that. >>>>> >>>>>Gather around the legal frequencies this evening at 14.331 as we get >>>>>a forum of LEGAL Hams together to discuss the nefarious activities of >>>>>Toad and Roger. Look for this forum to begin on or about nine p.m. >>>>>eastern time. Toad cannot join in, nor can KB9RQZ, since they are not >>>>>licensed for this freq. Roger needs no invitation...he will lurk and >>>>>jam as he sees fit. >>>> >>>>Before you go around spouting that I'm running illegal, I would >>>>suggestion that you read Part 15 (47 CFR 15) but more to the point 47 >>>>CFR 15.225 >>> >>>How much power you running? Unable to hear you here, but I'll give a >>>listen again tomorrow if you're still up and running. >> >> >> >> >> 10000uV/m at 30m is the maximum. How much power into an isotropic >> radiator give 10000uV/m at 30m. Of course, when the antenna has gain, >> power has to be reduced to avoid illegal operation. > > > My guess is 3 mW. > > John The level is the same as emissions within the CB band: Sec. 15.227 Operation within the band 26.96-27.28 MHz. (a) The field strength of any emission within this band shall not exceed 10,000 microvolts/meter at 3 meters. The emission limit in this paragraph is based on measurement instrumentation employing an average detector. The provisions in Sec. 15.35 for limiting peak emissions apply. (b) The field strength of any emissions which appear outside of this band shall not exceed the general radiated emission limits in Sec. 15.209. I don't know that there is a difference anymore between Part 95 and Part 15 emissions in the CB band... the old Part 15, back when a license was required, used to be 100mW. Article: 227776 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Buck Subject: Re: HELP!! More Antenna Noise Message-ID: <0k4gd25v4a9foc9v1o3n58pso1ce1dm7ac@4ax.com> References: <1154983936.154592.20990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:31:34 -0400 On 7 Aug 2006 13:52:16 -0700, Timothy@tholtom.freeserve.co.uk wrote: >Could I build something like this to filter the noise being picked up >by my antenna? Any ideas? Circuit diagrams? > >Thanks!! > >Tim A SHOT IN THE DARK!!! This doesn't answer your question, but another.... What might be causing the noise? I had a couple of different 2 meter whip antennas with a base load for the ht. One developed a problem with a bad solder joint which created a diode effect, which acted like a receiver. It messed up my receive something terrible. It never happened with the other antennas, but they were built similarly. The rubber duck doesn't have the tuning capacitor etc to match it as the whips did. I think my antennas worked opposite yours. I had the 5/8 go bad and the rubber duck work fine. Other 1/2 wave and an unknown length whip work well without a problem. The 1/2 wave and 5/8 wave whips both had tuning circuits in them. Good luck Buck n4pgw -- 73 for now Buck N4PGW Article: 227777 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Roy Lewallen Subject: Re: STATION IS ON 13.556.00 MHz. LSB Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:12:14 -0700 Message-ID: <12dg79hib3k0qdc@corp.supernews.com> References: <1154753502.134296.13500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <6u8u6.lb.17.1@news.alt.net> <1154828398.867631.246080@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44D549DC.5C4BDE2C@milestones.com> Brenda Ann wrote: > "John - KD5YI" wrote in message >> . . . >> My guess is 3 mW. >> >> John > > The level is the same as emissions within the CB band: > > > Sec. 15.227 Operation within the band 26.96-27.28 MHz. > > (a) The field strength of any emission within this band shall not exceed > 10,000 microvolts/meter at 3 meters. The emission limit in this paragraph is > based on measurement instrumentation employing an average detector. The > provisions in Sec. 15.35 for limiting peak emissions apply. > . . . The amount of power applied to an isotropic radiator which will generate 10,000 uV/m at 3 meters is 30 microwatts. This assumes that the 3 meter distance is in the far field, or that it's measured in the far field and extrapolated to 3 meters as though 3 meters were in the far field, which is the method and assumption used by the FCC. A simple dipole reduces the permissible power to about 23 uW, and ground reflections will typically nearly double the field strength, so a safe power level would be about 6 microwatts into a dipole antenna over ground for someone interested in conforming to the regulations. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Article: 227778 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: VOA SWLer Subject: *FREE* Tours of the VOICE of AMERICA Radio & TV Studios in Washington, Date: 8 Aug 2006 07:01:01 GMT Message-ID: For information about tours of the Voice of America radio and television studios at their headquarters in Washington, DC, click on: . There is no charge. Article: 227779 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna Message-ID: <44D8743E.30308@bloomer.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:23:42 +0000 From: Scott Subject: Re: Homemade 440 yagi question References: No, the driven element can be one solid piece...you just connect the shields of the "phasing line" to the driven element right where they exit on each side of the boom. The centers of the phasing line connect to each side of the T match where they come out of the boom. The T match sections ARE split. That's how I did my 222 yagi that I took out of the ARRL antenna book (the old NBS designs). Scott N0EDV Bart wrote: > I built a 6 element 432mhz yagi from instructions in the ARRL Handbook. I > used a 1" wood dowel for the beam and 1/4" aluminum rod for the elements. I > used a "T" match on the driven element. One on each side, just like the > illustrations show. And a 1/2 wavelength phasing line. > > But the instructions don't show or say if the driven element is split in the > middle. > > Shouldn't the driven element be split. > > Article: 227780 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Reg Edwards" Subject: Engineers Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:16 +0100 Message-ID: Any Tom, Dick and Harry can copy and build a circuit out of a book. But it takes a top-class engineer just to look at a strange circuit and describe what it does, how it works. These days, there are mostly Tom's, Dick's and Harry's! ==================================== Amendment - For "circuit" read "antenna". "Tom's, Dick's and Harry's" has replaced "old wives". ;o) ;o) ==================================== Article: 227781 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Richard Fry" References: Subject: Re: Engineers Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:09:44 -0500 Message-ID: <44d8b678_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> "Reg Edwards" wrote in message news:XqudnQDHUaDwP0XZnZ2dnUVZ8qWdnZ2d@bt.com... > Any Tom, Dick and Harry can copy and build a circuit out of a book. > > But it takes a top-class engineer just to look at a strange circuit > and describe what it does, how it works. > > These days, there are mostly Tom's, Dick's and Harry's! > ==================================== > Amendment - > > For "circuit" read "antenna". > > "Tom's, Dick's and Harry's" has replaced "old wives". ;o) ;o) > > ==================================== > > Article: 227782 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Walter Maxwell Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:26:32 -0400 On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:16 +0100, "Reg Edwards" wrote: >Any Tom, Dick and Harry can copy and build a circuit out of a book. > >But it takes a top-class engineer just to look at a strange circuit >and describe what it does, how it works. > >These days, there are mostly Tom's, Dick's and Harry's! >==================================== >Amendment - > >For "circuit" read "antenna". > >"Tom's, Dick's and Harry's" has replaced "old wives". ;o) ;o) > >==================================== > Hello Reg, I haven't previously tried to attach a jpg file in this arena, but I'm going to try. If my jpg file comes through, can you describe what it does and how it works? Walt, W2DU Article: 227783 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Frank's" References: Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:39:13 GMT "Walter Maxwell" wrote in message news:biehd215ddsv1h1r5aojrdch9vt5cnkrdt@4ax.com... > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:16 +0100, "Reg Edwards" > > wrote: > >>Any Tom, Dick and Harry can copy and build a circuit out of a book. >> >>But it takes a top-class engineer just to look at a strange circuit >>and describe what it does, how it works. >> >>These days, there are mostly Tom's, Dick's and Harry's! >>==================================== >>Amendment - >> >>For "circuit" read "antenna". >> >>"Tom's, Dick's and Harry's" has replaced "old wives". ;o) ;o) >> >>==================================== >> > Hello Reg, > > I haven't previously tried to attach a jpg file in this arena, but I'm > going to > try. If my jpg file comes through, can you describe what it does and how > it > works? > > Walt, W2DU Rats, now you have me intrigued Walt. Too bad the pic did not work. Just tried to post a picture, but it seems there is a filter on the NG to prevent such postings. Reg, have made a lot of progress in developing a NEC 4 model of a 100 radial system. Just have to iron out a few bugs. When this is completed I can try some high frequency models. Frank Article: 227784 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Walter Maxwell Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) - Photo 16a.jpg (0/1) Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:57:39 -0400 On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:39:13 GMT, "Frank's" wrote: >"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message >news:biehd215ddsv1h1r5aojrdch9vt5cnkrdt@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:16 +0100, "Reg Edwards" >> >> wrote: >> >>>Any Tom, Dick and Harry can copy and build a circuit out of a book. >>> >>>But it takes a top-class engineer just to look at a strange circuit >>>and describe what it does, how it works. >>> >>>These days, there are mostly Tom's, Dick's and Harry's! >>>==================================== >>>Amendment - >>> >>>For "circuit" read "antenna". >>> >>>"Tom's, Dick's and Harry's" has replaced "old wives". ;o) ;o) >>> >>>==================================== >>> >> Hello Reg, >> >> I haven't previously tried to attach a jpg file in this arena, but I'm >> going to >> try. If my jpg file comes through, can you describe what it does and how >> it >> works? >> >> Walt, W2DU > >Rats, now you have me intrigued Walt. Too bad the pic did not work. >Just tried to post a picture, but it seems there is a filter on the NG to >prevent such postings. > >Reg, have made a lot of progress in developing a NEC 4 model >of a 100 radial system. Just have to iron out a few bugs. When this >is completed I can try some high frequency models. > >Frank > > > Article: 227785 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Walter Maxwell Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:02:10 -0400 On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:39:13 GMT, "Frank's" wrote: >"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message >news:biehd215ddsv1h1r5aojrdch9vt5cnkrdt@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:16 +0100, "Reg Edwards" >> >> wrote: >> >>>Any Tom, Dick and Harry can copy and build a circuit out of a book. >>> >>>But it takes a top-class engineer just to look at a strange circuit >>>and describe what it does, how it works. >>> >>>These days, there are mostly Tom's, Dick's and Harry's! >>>==================================== >>>Amendment - >>> >>>For "circuit" read "antenna". >>> >>>"Tom's, Dick's and Harry's" has replaced "old wives". ;o) ;o) >>> >>>==================================== >>> >> Hello Reg, >> >> I haven't previously tried to attach a jpg file in this arena, but I'm >> going to >> try. If my jpg file comes through, can you describe what it does and how >> it >> works? >> >> Walt, W2DU > >Rats, now you have me intrigued Walt. Too bad the pic did not work. >Just tried to post a picture, but it seems there is a filter on the NG to >prevent such postings. > >Reg, have made a lot of progress in developing a NEC 4 model >of a 100 radial system. Just have to iron out a few bugs. When this >is completed I can try some high frequency models. > >Frank > Hi Frank, I used the 'help' menu in Agent, but it doesn't seem to let me post an attachment. Guess, like you said, it must be an NG rule that prevents it. Anyhoo, jist fertheleovit, I'm going to email you the jpg file fyi. Walt, W2DU Article: 227786 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Walter Maxwell Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) Message-ID: <35hhd2lu36sol32f1p64gi7ofottdu72gd@4ax.com> References: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:08:37 -0400 On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:39:13 GMT, "Frank's" wrote: >"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message > >Rats, now you have me intrigued Walt. Too bad the pic did not work. >Just tried to post a picture, but it seems there is a filter on the NG to >prevent such postings. > >Reg, have made a lot of progress in developing a NEC 4 model >of a 100 radial system. Just have to iron out a few bugs. When this >is completed I can try some high frequency models. > >Frank > Frank, I tried to send the jpg file to you via email, but the server rejects your address. Can you email me so I can have your correct address? Walt Article: 227787 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Frank's" References: Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:16:38 GMT > Hi Frank, > > I used the 'help' menu in Agent, but it doesn't seem to let me post an > attachment. Guess, like you said, it must be an NG rule that prevents it. > Anyhoo, jist fertheleovit, I'm going to email you the jpg file fyi. > > Walt, W2DU Yes Walt, I got a message in the send window that said the NG rejected it. Don't forget to removed the "nospam." from my e-mail address, also note the period after the "m"., which must also be removed. Will be curious to see the jpeg, but doubt I will be smart enough to figure it out. Thanks, Frank Article: 227788 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Richard Fry" References: Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:19:51 -0500 Message-ID: <44d8c6ee_1@newsfeed.slurp.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05F9_01C6BAE4.F2B92E90 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Frank's" wrote > Rats, now you have me intrigued Walt. Too bad the pic did not work. > Just tried to post a picture, but it seems there is a filter on the NG to > prevent such postings. _________ Gents, I've been able attach graphics to postings on r.r.a.a. using Outlook Express and my normal ISP. The graphic shows with the display of the message. So there does not appear to be a universal NG filter, anyway. Attached is a test case. Walt - if you want to email me your jpg, I think I'll be able to post it here for you. 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Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:33:28 -0500 Message-ID: <44d8ca33_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_063A_01C6BAE6.D9D0C4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Richard Fry" wrote: > Walt - if you want to email me your jpg, I think I'll be able > to post it here for you. ________________ Here is Walt's circuit drawing (see attached). Walt pointed out that his original filename was incorrect -- it's really Photo 16A. 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rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Richard Clark Subject: Re: Engineers Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:11:08 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:16 +0100, "Reg Edwards" wrote: >Any Tom, Dick and Harry can copy and build a circuit out of a book. Hi Reggie, You prove you can write in English, but equally proven is that this post is as obscure as reading Beowulf. However, it is equally notable that most English speakers have some of the poorest grammar: >These days, there are mostly Tom's, Dick's and Harry's! where possessive case substitutes for plurals. Is this the standard troll, or whining? Do you somehow feel disappointed that Engineers don't create art? Has your esteem for British luminaries suddenly dimmed by their lack of imagination? I for one cannot imagine Bill Thomson sitting on a Parisian sidewalk doing chalk copies of renaissance art - unless he was anticipating your holiday so as to wing that chalk off your noggin. Or perhaps you pine for the lost opportunity of Auguste Rodin sculpting Pascal code out of marble. Whoops! A frog there. Perhaps a Tom Gainsborough sloshing the paint to rummage up an astable multivibrator. Oh for the days when they were mostly Toms, Bills, and Augustes.... and Marcels - "À la Recherche du Temps Perdu" Now there's a French sleeping pill no engineer would copy. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Article: 227791 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: Cecil Moore Subject: Re: Engineers - Photo 16b.jpg (0/1) References: Message-ID: <3x4Cg.6073$uo6.1755@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:15:27 GMT Frank's wrote: > Just tried to post a picture, but it seems there is a filter on the NG to > prevent such postings. Yep, this newsgroup was chartered as ASCII only. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Article: 227792 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "noexqs" Subject: Re: Spreadsheet for Yagi-Uda array of loops Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:55:42 +0200 Message-ID: <12dhni3adgj0uee@corp.supernews.com> References: <20060805171848.3a8f7cf6@localhost> Hi Dominique, I doubt that your spreadsheet will give accurate design information for actual design. As you already mentioned, it has it's limitations since it will not give gain, f/b and antenne impedance as a function of operating frequency. I have done quite a lot of loop yagi antenna modelling in NEC2 and MMANA and I found out that the loop yagi performance is infuenced quite dramatically by the physical dimensions of the individual loops and their relative position. I have not mentioned the effect of the element diameter. In addition I have built several loop yagi's. Testresult of my 6 element 2m loop yagi can be found on the internet (google: loop yagi pe2wdo). If you are interested I can send some design details of my loopyagi design. Best regards, Willem PE2WDO "Dominique Michel" schreef in bericht news:20060805171848.3a8f7cf6@localhost... > Hi all, > > I have done a spreadsheet for the calculation of Yagi-Uda array of > loops. You can get it on internet at > http://home.citycable.ch/monde-meilleur/index.html > > Sorry it is in french, a direct link to the page where the spreadsheet > reside is: > http://home.citycable.ch/monde-meilleur/antennes/antennes1.html > > It is 2 versions, the original one for gnumeric at > http://home.citycable.ch/monde-meilleur/antennes/Antenne%20multicadres.gnumeric > and another one for excel at > http://home.citycable.ch/monde-meilleur/antennes/Antenne%20multicadre.xls > > I have tested the excel version only with openoffice (I use linux at home) > and it worked. > > I have done a TV RX antenna on 487.25 MHz with just a few wood stick and > some coaxial cable. It took me 2 hours of job, and I was able to receive > with the color a channel I was just able to receive in black and white and > a lot of snow with the biggest Wisi UHF antenna. > > Such an antenna can outperform any commercial antenna. It will just become > bigger as you get down in frequency. As example, a five elements 27MHz > will do 9.5 meter length for a diameter of the active element of 3,89 > meters. > > Any comments are welcome. > I will appreciate very much If someone can take a look on my English and > correct it. Just drop me a word or two. > > Dominique Article: 227793 of rec.radio.amateur.antenna From: "Antonio Vernucci" References: <44d0e1b6$0$35077$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it> <1154555654.618018.192280@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1154575669.483390.122580@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1154610189.274197.177730@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44d252bd$0$35072$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it> <44d45010$0$35074$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it> <1154790677.995708.44390@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44d6057e$0$35081$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it> Subject: Re: Question on carbon fibre fishing rod Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:15:24 +0200 Message-ID: <44d8e2d2$0$15875$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it> Sorry I will not be able to do the test before some time. I will report later. Tony I0JX "Antonio Vernucci" ha scritto nel messaggio = news:44d6057e$0$35081$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it... Hi Dan thanks for your in-depth analysis on EZ-NEC. The only step that surpises = me a bit is that, with the top and bottom shorting wires in place, the = current through the rod gets quite high, almost 2/3 that of the wire. On = the other hand is always difficult to predict reality when = electromagnetic phenomena are involved. The next test you suggested, i.e. with the wire fully insulated from the = rod, is just what I had in mind to do. A spacing of about 1-inch would = be easy to get, by sliding the copper wire through the rings where the = fishing nylon wire is supposed to run. So I'll do that first. I have a = good quantity of silver-plated teflon-coated wire, so will try with that = as it will stand a fairly voltage. I should be able to make that test by = next monday or tuesday afternoon, and I will report results here. 73 Tony I0JX ha scritto nel messaggio = news:1154790677.995708.44390@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Tony, >=20 > >From an EZNEC model with essentially the situation you described: > Wire numbers 2 and 5 are both 7.9m high, frequency 10MHz, fed against = a > radial system in free space. >=20 > Wire number 2 is 25.4mm diameter, 21 segments, a 10 ohm load in each > segment, total "rod resistance" 210 ohms + negligable copper loss. = The > wire centers are 7cm apart. Wire number 5 is 2mm diameter copper. > Wires 2 and 5 are shorted together top and bottom (no contact along = the > length, but maybe we can see why you had arcing) >=20 > As you can see below, the currents in the two "wires" with the top and > bottom shorted are not in phase. Moreover, the current in the rod > (Wire No. 2) is quite appreciable, almost 2/3 that of the wire. >=20 >=20 > Wire No. 2: > Segment Conn Magnitude (A.) Phase (Deg.) > te1 W4E1 .39744 -167.9 > 2 .40049 -168.9 > 3 .39918 -169.3 > 4 .39463 -169.2 > 5 .38725 -168.8 > 6 .3773 -168.1 > 7 .36499 -166.9 > 8 .35056 -165.4 > 9 .33425 -163.5 > 10 .31635 -161.0 > 11 .29723 -157.9 > 12 .27734 -154.0 > 13 .25727 -149.2 > 14 .23781 -143.2 > 15 .22002 -135.8 > 16 .20528 -126.8 > 17 .19529 -116.1 > 18 .19188 -104.1 > 19 .19661 -91.39 > 20 .21058 -78.89 > 21 W3E1 .23611 -66.69 >=20 > Wire No. 5: > Segment Conn Magnitude (A.) Phase (Deg.) > 1 W6E1 .64698 170.23 > 2 .66204 169.08 > 3 .67227 168.00 > 4 .67834 166.94 > 5 .68045 165.86 > 6 .67871 164.76 > 7 .6732 163.63 > 8 .66403 162.44 > 9 .6513 161.18 > 10 .63513 159.83 > 11 .61567 158.39 > 12 .59307 156.82 > 13 .56752 155.11 > 14 .53922 153.20 > 15 .50842 151.06 > 16 .47537 148.63 > 17 .44036 145.82 > 18 .40374 142.51 > 19 .36589 138.50 > 20 .32725 133.51 > 21 W3E2 .28776 126.90 >=20 > So how's the loss? Well, here's the table of load data: >=20 >=20 > Frequency =3D 10 MHz >=20 > Load 1 Voltage =3D 14.71 V. at -167.86 deg. > Current =3D 1.471 A. at -167.86 deg. > Impedance =3D 10 + J 0 ohms > Power =3D 21.62 watts >=20 > Load 2 Voltage =3D 14.82 V. at -168.9 deg. > Current =3D 1.482 A. at -168.9 deg. > Impedance =3D 10 + J 0 ohms > Power =3D 21.96 watts >=20 > Load 3 Voltage =3D 14.77 V. at -169.29 deg. >