Article: 101922 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "KB2SMS" References: Subject: Re: Is CB dead? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:48:48 -0500 Message-ID: <441d7e41@usenet.zapto.org> "gb" wrote in message news:LsKdnbPRCe7M5YHZRVn-vw@comcast.com... > "Dave Edwards" wrote in message > news:ZMOdnbrOHaJZnoHZRVn-gQ@comcast.com... >>I have not had an 11 meter antenna up in the air since around 1972 or so. >>I have a clear memory of all the heterodynes and yacking on every channel >>that used to go on. I plugged one in again around 1985 or so, because a >>buddy of mine had one in his boat, and used it keep it on channel 5. Not >>much difference. >> Anyway, last weekend...for yucks, I hooked one up to a longwire. I did >> not hear a single person on any channel! Perhaps it is the cross >> polarized wire antenna. >> So, I shot a wire over a branch, and hoisted a CB vertical antenna >> ..Astron or Antron...something like that...a pretty good fiberglass >> antenna! >> Still, other than a general high noise level...no signals! >> Channel 19 used to be jammed...even with a handheld whip antenna! >> >> Is CB no longer?? >> > > The Citizens Band (CB) is one of several Personal Radio Services, > regulated by the FCC. > No shit Columbo. You are an asshat. Article: 101923 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "KB2SMS" References: <121oubdmbfc06d5@corp.supernews.com> <8MednYxat-_35oDZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Is CB dead? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:22:03 -0500 Message-ID: <441d85b7$1@usenet.zapto.org> "gb" wrote in message news:8MednYxat-_35oDZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > "- exray -" wrote in message > news:121oubdmbfc06d5@corp.supernews.com... >> >> Oh my, I never realized that was the problem. >> >> -Bill > > Congressional record is open for all citizens to read. > > gb > So is your picture, you look like a cow. Article: 101924 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Charlie Hugg" Subject: FS Nice HP 410C VTVM Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:52:26 -0600 The 410C replaced the 410B and was eventually the last VTVM ever produced by hp. This one comes with the optional AC probe. The probe has a vacuum diode inside it's body - it will warm-up you hand. The amplifier is feedback stabilized, so the pointer shows absolutely no swing when applying a signal. The Model 410C is an extremely versatile general-purpose instrument for use anywhere electrical measurements are made. The Specs are below: AC Response 20Hz to 700MHz Output 1V f.s. Power 13 watts Dimensions 6-1/2" x 5-1/8" x 11" Weight 8 lbs (4 kg) Technology tube, transistor Price (for 1968) $ 425 w/ AC probe My price for this one is $125. It is in great shape. I can send digital pictures. Thanks, Charlie Hugg, K5MBX Article: 101925 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Henry Kolesnik" Subject: Jerrold Texscan 9300A ? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:10:14 GMT I just picked this cable TV test set which is a Sweep Spectrum Analyzer and I think it and the RF sweep gen go up to 300 MHz. It still kind of works but has several capacitors disconnected on some of the boards. I've Googled, Dogpiled and Vivisimoed and can't find any info. I'd like to find a manual/schematic, specs, ops manual or whatever and hope someone out there has a copy I can buy. tnx Hank wd5jfr Article: 101926 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: Jerrold Texscan 9300A ? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:55:48 -0400 Message-ID: <121rdq374ju9p3d@corp.supernews.com> References: Henry Kolesnik wrote: > I just picked this cable TV test set which is a Sweep Spectrum Analyzer and > I think it and the RF sweep gen go up to 300 MHz. It still kind of works > but has several capacitors disconnected on some of the boards. I've > Googled, Dogpiled and Vivisimoed and can't find any info. I'd like to find > a manual/schematic, specs, ops manual or whatever and hope someone out there > has a copy I can buy. > tnx > Hank wd5jfr > > Try the Society of Cable Television Engineers mail list. If you can't find info there then its futile! http://www.scte-list.org/ -Bill Article: 101927 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Henry Kolesnik" References: <121rdq374ju9p3d@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Jerrold Texscan 9300A ? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:21:39 GMT Bill Thanks, headed that way now. Hank "- exray -" wrote in message news:121rdq374ju9p3d@corp.supernews.com... > Henry Kolesnik wrote: > >> I just picked this cable TV test set which is a Sweep Spectrum Analyzer >> and I think it and the RF sweep gen go up to 300 MHz. It still kind of >> works but has several capacitors disconnected on some of the boards. >> I've Googled, Dogpiled and Vivisimoed and can't find any info. I'd like >> to find a manual/schematic, specs, ops manual or whatever and hope >> someone out there has a copy I can buy. >> tnx >> Hank wd5jfr > > Try the Society of Cable Television Engineers mail list. If you can't > find info there then its futile! > > http://www.scte-list.org/ > > -Bill Article: 101928 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Rob Mills" Subject: Drake questions again Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:05:43 -0600 The dial on an other wise pretty sharp r-4b show some yellowing. Before I dig in, is there any possibility of cleaning it? Also, is the dial on a t-4xb the same part as used in the r-4b? Thanks, Rob Mills Article: 101929 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Ron Subject: Re: Jerrold Texscan 9300A ? Date: 19 Mar 2006 16:24:13 EST Message-ID: <441DCD58.6030404@yahoo.com> References: <121rdq374ju9p3d@corp.supernews.com> Trilithic is the company that bought out Texscans test equipment line. You should be able to call them and if you have a manual for your equipment they will give you a price. www.trilithic.com Article: 101930 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: ritchi50@optonline.net Subject: FS: Drake TR-4Cw/rit + AC-4 + MS-4 combo Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:28:13 -0500 FS: Drake TR-4Cw/rit + AC-4 + MS-4 combo The TR-4CW/rit was one of the last off the line, serial no. 45311, and has the hard-to-find 34-PNB noise blanker installed, which I've seen go separately for $200. It is extremely clean, a conservative 9+. Flawless front panel except for one 1/8" scratch below the RIT button. Cabinet top is perfect. Both sides are perfect except for one very small scratch on the left side. Chassis is clean, no corrosion, no smoke deposits. No evidence of modification. Two extra crystals are installed for full 10M coverage. The AC-4 power supply is installed inside the MS-4 speaker cabinet. The MS-4 has a few superficial scratches on top. The front grille is perfect. Interconnect cables and repro manual included. Make serious offer Ready to sell. ritchi50@optonline.net Article: 101931 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Jim, KK1W" Subject: FA: Lots of old and new parts for BA gear Message-ID: <16oTf.162$ny5.20@fe07.lga> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:05:48 -0500 Hi, Take a look at these auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZkk1w2000. Lots of old and new parts, caps, resistors, pots, coils, meters, crystals and more. Low starting bids and good feedback rating. Jim, KK1W Article: 101932 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: bg998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Martin Potter) Subject: Amphenol 621-685 coax? Date: 20 Mar 2006 02:40:39 GMT Message-ID: Does anyone recall the basic specs for "Amphenol No. 621-685" coax cable? There are no other markings on the cable than that. It looks like RG-59 in size. Apparently Amphenol no longer make it and a Google search turned up nothing. Thanks for any info. ... Martin VE3OAT Article: 101933 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: john carson Subject: hallicrafters SX42 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:12:46 GMT Hello all --- Restoring an SX42 and need a gear box and bfo coil. A parts chassis would be ok too thanks John Article: 101934 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Subject: Ink From: mshawjr@frontiernet.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 04:23:01 GMT Man I have found this site that has the cheapest ink for any printer. You can compare prices and then review the companies on service and quality. Let me know what you think Article: 101935 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dave Turner" References: Subject: Re: Ink Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:27:48 +0800 Message-ID: <441e2f14@quokka.wn.com.au> > whois imagraphix.com Registrant: Murphey Shaw 12 Blackwatch Trail Fairport, NY 14450 , United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com Domain Name: IMAGRAPHIX.COM Created on: 09-Dec-04 Expires on: 09-Dec-07 Last Updated on: 14-Feb-06 Administrative Contact: Shaw, Murphey mshawjr@frontiernet.net 12 Blackwatch Trail Fairport, NY 14450 , United States 5854148735 Technical Contact: DNS, Administrator administrator@siteprotect.com 1 N State Street 12th Floor Chicago, IL 60602 , United States +1.3122362132 Fax -- +1.3122361958 Domain servers in listed order: NS3.SECURESERVER.NET NS4.SECURESERVER.NET Article: 101936 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Subject: Ink From: mshawjr@frontiernet.net Message-ID: <%WwTf.3014$tT.1641@news01.roc.ny> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:08:27 GMT Sorry guys. The spam stuff was not my intent. I do oppoligies and won't happen again. I have never been on newsgroups before and not sure how to work them. I hope you guys can forgive a bad choice. Murphey Article: 101937 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dave Turner" References: <%WwTf.3014$tT.1641@news01.roc.ny> Subject: Re: Ink Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:02:17 +0800 Message-ID: <441ea7aa@quokka.wn.com.au> wrote in message news:JTwTf.2739$tT.1678@news01.roc.ny... > Sorry guys. The spam stuff was not my intent. Yes it was, your header is still the same, and you've now re-spammed every newsgroup again with your 'apology'. It doesn't get any dumber. > I have never been on newsgroups before and not sure how to > work them. Yet you know how to spam them. Did you also learn to run before you could walk? > I hope you guys can forgive a bad choice. "You go to hell! You go to hell and you die!" - Mr Garrison Article: 101938 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "COLIN LAMB" References: <1142830987.080488.163490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Hallicrafters S-20R alignment Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:37:18 GMT This is where a grid diper is handy, since you are measuring the resonant frequency of the circuit, without anything else. Check the resonant frequency of the coils in both S-20R radios. At the calibrated frequency, they should be the same. There could be a number of problems - especially if someone has fiddled with it. Are the coils the same? At 12 MHz, the frequency is off. I think you will find one of these possibilities: 1. There is a unwanted fixed capacitor in the circuit. 2. the adjustable capacitor does not go down tominimum capacitance. 3. The coil is not adjustable like it was intended. 4. Someone has added turns to the coil. 5. Someone has removed the correct slug and substituted another core of different material. I would suspect 5 first if everything else looks normal. Once in awhile, you will find something like that that probably slipped through from the factory - but not likely. 73, Colin K7FM Article: 101939 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "COLIN LAMB" References: Subject: Re: Amphenol 621-685 coax? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:40:38 GMT If you do not find the specs, you can simply measure the diameter of the inner conductor and the diameter of the shield. Then you can calculate the impedance using the ARRL Antenna Handbook. Easy to do. 73, Colin K7FM Article: 101940 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Amphenol 621-685 coax? Date: 20 Mar 2006 09:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: In article , Martin Potter wrote: > >Does anyone recall the basic specs for "Amphenol No. 621-685" coax cable? > >There are no other markings on the cable than that. It looks like RG-59 >in size. Apparently Amphenol no longer make it and a Google search turned >up nothing. Are you sure it's a coax cable? Strip it and see if you don't get lots of carbon black on your hands in the process. If so, it's a low-tribo noise cable and not good for RF. Amphenol made a bunch of different kinds. Amphenol has not made any cables for at least twenty years, though, so this is not recent production. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Article: 101941 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Stargatesg1" References: Subject: Re: More Amazing! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:58:37 GMT Some people like to collect unbuilt Heathkit equipment. I never saw the appeal to Heath gear, but on the other hand, allot of people don't understand my collection of test equipment either. Different strokes for different folks:-) -- RoD KD0XX PG-6-29404 "John L. Sielke" wrote in message news:Ht-dnYsm2pnxJIPZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com... > On eBay there is an UNBUILT SB-104 up to $2025.00. Not even a 104A. Why? > > Puzzled in NJ Article: 101942 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Caveat Lector" References: Subject: Re: More Amazing! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:03:25 -0800 Because it is an auction Merriam and company defines it as a sale of property to the highest bidder In this case 7+ folks have bid -- 52 times !!!! WHY The highest bidder perceives value thus bids accordingly Perhaps money is no object Perhaps they are bit by the nostalgia bug and just got to have it Perhaps they have a radio museum and this is a rare find for them Perhaps they surmise that very few exist, thus it might be an investment for future sale Perhaps they are a collector of Heath kits and I suspect an unbuilt SB-104 is a pretty rare bird One of the TV personalities has bought several ham radios off e-bay at very high prices - he can afford them ! You and I can not thus we are amazed and puzzled (;-) -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "John L. Sielke" wrote in message news:Ht-dnYsm2pnxJIPZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com... > On eBay there is an UNBUILT SB-104 up to $2025.00. Not even a 104A. Why? > > Puzzled in NJ Article: 101943 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Caveat Lector" References: Subject: Re: More Amazing! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:07:52 -0800 I forgot -- perhaps the buyer is going to sell the individual parts to restorers. In this case doubtful, but I have known Hams to do this and double their money. -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:mmATf.12846$Uc2.7645@fed1read04... > Because it is an auction > Merriam and company defines it as > a sale of property to the highest bidder > In this case 7+ folks have bid -- 52 times !!!! > > WHY > > The highest bidder perceives value thus bids accordingly > Perhaps money is no object > Perhaps they are bit by the nostalgia bug and just got to have it > Perhaps they have a radio museum and this is a rare find for them > Perhaps they surmise that very few exist, thus it might be an investment > for future sale > Perhaps they are a collector of Heath kits and I suspect an unbuilt SB-104 > is a pretty rare bird > > One of the TV personalities has bought several ham radios off e-bay at > very high prices - he can afford them ! > You and I can not thus we are amazed and puzzled (;-) > > -- > CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! > > > "John L. Sielke" wrote in message > news:Ht-dnYsm2pnxJIPZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com... >> On eBay there is an UNBUILT SB-104 up to $2025.00. Not even a 104A. Why? >> >> Puzzled in NJ > > Article: 101944 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Caveat Lector" References: Subject: Re: More Amazing! Message-ID: <6AATf.12848$Uc2.5114@fed1read04> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:18:06 -0800 P.S. Over 473 folks have looked at the unbuilt heathkit -- many probably drooling Must be an interesting item huh ?? -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:xqATf.12847$Uc2.9161@fed1read04... >I forgot -- perhaps the buyer is going to sell the individual parts to >restorers. > In this case doubtful, but I have known Hams to do this and double their > money. > > -- > CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! > > > "Caveat Lector" wrote in message > news:mmATf.12846$Uc2.7645@fed1read04... >> Because it is an auction >> Merriam and company defines it as >> a sale of property to the highest bidder >> In this case 7+ folks have bid -- 52 times !!!! >> >> WHY >> >> The highest bidder perceives value thus bids accordingly >> Perhaps money is no object >> Perhaps they are bit by the nostalgia bug and just got to have it >> Perhaps they have a radio museum and this is a rare find for them >> Perhaps they surmise that very few exist, thus it might be an investment >> for future sale >> Perhaps they are a collector of Heath kits and I suspect an unbuilt >> SB-104 is a pretty rare bird >> >> One of the TV personalities has bought several ham radios off e-bay at >> very high prices - he can afford them ! >> You and I can not thus we are amazed and puzzled (;-) >> >> -- >> CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! >> >> >> "John L. Sielke" wrote in message >> news:Ht-dnYsm2pnxJIPZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> On eBay there is an UNBUILT SB-104 up to $2025.00. Not even a 104A. Why? >>> >>> Puzzled in NJ >> >> > > Article: 101945 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "KB2SMS" References: <121oubdmbfc06d5@corp.supernews.com> <8MednYxat-_35oDZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <441d85b7$1@usenet.zapto.org> Subject: Re: Is CB dead? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <441f2e68$1@usenet.zapto.org> "gb" wrote in message news:ccqdnX24KbDgb4DZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > "KB2SMS" wrote in message > news:441d85b7$1@usenet.zapto.org... >> >> So is your picture, you look like a cow. > == WHOIS == > zapto.org: > Nevada - Las Vegas - Vitalwerks Internet Solutions Llc > ==TRACE=== > That's where the news server traces to asshat. Can you be any more stupid, you parade float looking slob? Article: 101946 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "KB2SMS" References: <441d7e41@usenet.zapto.org> Subject: Re: Is CB dead? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <441f2eb5@usenet.zapto.org> "gb" wrote in message news:Bo2dncPOxK-eaIDZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > "KB2SMS" wrote in message > news:441d7e41@usenet.zapto.org... >> >> "gb" wrote in message >> news:LsKdnbPRCe7M5YHZRVn-vw@comcast.com... >>> "Dave Edwards" wrote in message >>> news:ZMOdnbrOHaJZnoHZRVn-gQ@comcast.com... >>>>I have not had an 11 meter antenna up in the air since around 1972 or >>>>so. I have a clear memory of all the heterodynes and yacking on every >>>>channel that used to go on. I plugged one in again around 1985 or so, >>>>because a buddy of mine had one in his boat, and used it keep it on >>>>channel 5. Not much difference. >>>> Anyway, last weekend...for yucks, I hooked one up to a longwire. I did >>>> not hear a single person on any channel! Perhaps it is the cross >>>> polarized wire antenna. >>>> So, I shot a wire over a branch, and hoisted a CB vertical antenna >>>> ..Astron or Antron...something like that...a pretty good fiberglass >>>> antenna! >>>> Still, other than a general high noise level...no signals! >>>> Channel 19 used to be jammed...even with a handheld whip antenna! >>>> >>>> Is CB no longer?? >>>> >>> >>> The Citizens Band (CB) is one of several Personal Radio Services, >>> regulated by the FCC. >>> >> No shit Columbo. You are an asshat. > > Yes > Glad to see we agree on something, parade float. Article: 101947 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: W9MAP Subject: I'M A WART HOG - w9map the parade float.JPG (0/1) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: I'm so fat that when my beeper goes off people think I'm backing up. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account Article: 101948 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: W9MAP Subject: I'M A WART HOG - w9map the parade float.JPG (1/1) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:12:31 -0500 Message-ID: begin 644 w9map the parade float.JPG M_]C_X``02D9)1@`!`0$`8`!@``#_VP!#``@&!@<&!0@'!P<)"0@*#!0-#`L+ M#!D2$P\4'1H?'AT:'!P@)"XG("(L(QP<*#7J#A(6&AXB)BI*3E)66EYB9FJ*CI*6FIZBIJK*SM+6VM[BYNL+#Q,7& MQ\C)RM+3U-76U]C9VN'BX^3EYN?HZ>KQ\O/T]?;W^/GZ_\0`'P$``P$!`0$! 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"Tom P Randall KB2SMS" wrote in message news:441f4a28$0$22853$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com... > W9MAP wrote in > news:kjdu121v2d58ojkmqiiml24gdd2p8ghomi@4ax.com: > >> I'm so fat that when my beeper goes off people think I'm backing up. >> >> > MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from > http://www.SecureIX.com *** Article: 101953 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Steve Nosko" Subject: Re: WWII FT243 Crystal Manufacturers Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:08:36 -0600 Message-ID: References: <8j6812p9cricvtejsqf7cj7hiv16uni6au@4ax.com> Don't forget PR. The recent QST has a short on them being still in business.. I'll have to go check my pile... 73, Steve, K9DCI "Joe McElvenney" wrote in message news:8j6812p9cricvtejsqf7cj7hiv16uni6au@4ax.com... > Hi, > > Yesterday I bought a 'BOX BX-49-A' (coil/crystal set for the > BC-611 walkie-talkie) with a view to starting a crystal > collection. It contained 24 FT243 rocks from eight different WWII > manufacturers. Just to get an idea of the task ahead, has anyone > compiled a list of these manufacturers from that period? > > The few I have so far are marked - > > Univ K.C. Telev M.O. > Valpey Crystal > Turner Company, Cedar Rapids > Scientific Radio Prod. > RS MC > Camb Thermionic, Camb Mass > Gentleman Products, Omaha > H.I. Inc > Stand. Piezo > M.P. CO. > > > TIA - Joe (G3LLV) Article: 101954 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Message-ID: <441F9D43.5050800@earthlink.net> From: Edward Greeley Subject: Re: Hallicrafters S-20R alignment References: <1142830987.080488.163490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:29:52 GMT Er...it's late, and maybe my thinking is a bit muddled, but: it sounds to me like you need to get the oscillator freq LOWER than it is now going. The earlier follow-on posts seem to be discussing ways to get the oscillator freq HIGHER - unwanted extra capacitors, inability to loosen the trimmer sufficiently, wrong slugs (which you don't have), etc. In my muddled little mind, it seems you need MORE capacity and/or coil inductance to get the oscillator freq LOWER, i.e. the oscillator needs to be at 7.0 MHz + 455 KHz = 7.455 MHz rather than 7.5 MHz + 455 KHz = 7.955 MHz as you now have it. So, is there a chance that there is supposed to be a little fixed ceramic or mica capacitor in parallel with the adjustable trimmer cap across the oscillator coil that is open, broken, or missing? Again, you need to get the oscillator freq LOWER, not higher, don't you? Okay, so broken is the same as open; I said it's late! Good luck! Ed Greeley Skyrider wrote: > I am having a problem aligning an S 20R. The receiver has just been > re-capped, however the problem I have been having was present before > the set was touched. (The set just has much better sensitivity and the > transformer runs cooler now). The problem I have been having is this: > When I try to align on band 3 (the only band which gives problems) the > closest I can bring it to proper alignment puts 7 Mhz at around 7.5 or > so on the dial, and 10 MHz at about 12 Mhz on the dial. I cannot bring > the dial tracking any closer than this. The other bands seem OK. I > have checked the wiring against a parts receiver and do not see any > problems. I verified that the oscillator is 455kHz above the received > frequency by checking a known working S 20R (which I have owned for 36 > years). There does not appear to be any problem with the > trimmer/padder caps or the coil. > > Any ideas??? > Article: 101955 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Mike Andrews" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors =K=5=D=H= wrote: > My final request is this: If you have nothing nice to > say about this effort, please say nothing. If you are > not a warbird fan, if you believe our effort is a waste > of time and money, if you think we're "glorifying" war, > if you think operating antique warplanes is dangerous > and should be outlawed, etc, etc... you're entitled to > your opinion, but I respectfully ask that you keep it > to yourself. Up to this point I agree with everything you have to say. But I'll say what I please about your efforts, and defend to the death the right of others to say it, as well. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to read it, either, but everyone else is as entitled to state his, her, or its opinions on old warbirds as you are. That said, I hope you're successful in your quest. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin Article: 101956 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Caveat Lector" Subject: Another Amazing Boatanchor on e-bay Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:55:14 -0800 http://cgi.ebay.com/Collins-51S-1-Like-New-Condition-Look-Rare_W0QQitemZ5881838177QQcategoryZ4673QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Collins 51S-1 $1995 -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Article: 101957 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:54:31 -0600 Good luck, I hope you are successful in your search. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:34:28 -0600, k5dh@qsl.net (=K=5=D=H=) sent into the ether: >>>WANTED: B-17G Flying Fortress radio equipment >>> >>>This is a long message... please read it all! >>> >>>The Vintage Flying Museum of Fort Worth, Texas, home >>>of B-17G N3701G, "Chuckie", is seeking DONATIONS of >>>any kind of radio and radar equipment that would have >>>been used aboard B-17G's built from early-1944 on. >>> >>>Our airplane is a B-17G-70-VE, serial number 44-8543A. >>>She was built in January, 1944, by the Vega division >>>of Lockheed (B-17G's were built by Boeing, Douglas, >>>and Vega). She was converted to a "pathfinder" model, >>>which means she had a radar set installed in place of >>>the ball turret which allowed bombing through overcast. >>>Very few Forts were converted for this mission, and it >>>is possible that our Fort saw combat time over Europe. >>>The combat records of the pathfinder Forts are still >>>classified, so we may never know for sure. >>> >>>Right now, the only original radio gear installed in >>>the airplane is a BC-348-P receiver and shock mount. >>>We need everything else. Some of the specific items >>>we seek are the BC-375-E transmitter, tuning units >>>TU-4B through TU-10B, BC-306 antenna matching unit, >>>the wooded tuning unit storage rack that mounts to the >>>rear bulkhead, ceramic feedthrough insulators, power >>>and control connectors, and cables. We're also looking >>>for command set transmitters, receivers, racks, cables, >>>control boxes, spline cables (the LONG ones that will >>>reach the flight deck ceiling), modulator, and so on. >>> >>>Obviously, we are looking for NICE equipment that is >>>in display condition because we display the airplane >>>both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. We'll >>>certainly accept donations of "parts units", but the >>>primary focus is on acquiring gear that looks good >>>enough to be installed in the airplane. We want to >>>impress our tour guests at the air shows with a great >>>looking radio room! Do you have some surplus military >>>WW2 airborne radios stashed in your garage or attic? >>>Would you like to see them go to a good home? Please >>>donate your equipment to VFM and help us restore the >>>radio compartment in our beloved B-17! Any radios and >>>accessories that we don't use in the airplane will be >>>either put on display in the Museum's exhibit hall or >>>sold off to generate money to help finance the effort >>>(no matter how much gets donated, we'll still end up >>>having to buy some stuff to complete the job!). >>> >>>We are a small museum, and we have very limited funds >>>available to spend on things that don't actually help >>>us to keep the airplane flying. We are looking for >>>DONATIONS of equipment. We are a 501-c-3 tax-exempt >>>charitable organization, and we will provide a tax >>>receipt for your donation. >>> >>>"Chuckie" is one of approximately 15 B-17s worldwide >>>that are still in flyable condition, and one of about >>>10 that is flown regularly. Please don't "bash" me >>>if my numbers are off by a plane or two; the numbers >>>go up and down as some Forts come out of restoration >>>and others go down for heavy maintenance or retirement. >>>She participated in the fabuluous Thunder Over Michigan >>>air show in 2005 in which EIGHT of the remaining B-17 >>>population were not only present at the show, but flew >>>together! It was the largest gathering of civilian >>>B-17s in history, and it may never be repeated. >>> >>>Please visit the Museum's web site: >>> >>>http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org >>> >>>I have been authorized by the Museum to be the focal >>>point for this effort. Please address your messages >>>directly to me. >>> >>>We're also looking for a complete chin turret if you >>>happen to have one stashed in your barn! Actually, >>>we will graciously accept donations of ANY B-17 parts >>>that you might have lying around. :) >>> >>>My final request is this: If you have nothing nice to >>>say about this effort, please say nothing. If you are >>>not a warbird fan, if you believe our effort is a waste >>>of time and money, if you think we're "glorifying" war, >>>if you think operating antique warplanes is dangerous >>>and should be outlawed, etc, etc... you're entitled to >>>your opinion, but I respectfully ask that you keep it >>>to yourself. >>> >>>Thanks and 73, >>>Dean Hemphill, K5DH >>>Vintage Flying Museum member I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it! (That is what my X-wife told me) danl4x@charter.net Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! Article: 101958 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: Message-ID: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 21 Mar 2006 10:46:09 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: =K=5=D=H= wrote: > because we display the airplane > both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** I'm appalled to see your group is flying this priceless airplane. Sooner or later someone will crack it up and there will be one less for future generations to see. Please put pressure on your group to ground it permanently and preserve it forever so out great-great grandchildren and all future generations can have the opportunity to see the real thing and not some replica. 73, Bill W6WRT Article: 101959 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dale Parfitt" Subject: Ocean State Electronics Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:33:18 GMT Anyone else having difficulty contacting them? The phone lines remain busy for hours on end. Dale W4OP Article: 101960 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:41:13 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060907050402080209000102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So; if they don't fly it, don't keep it airworthy, what if a hurricane comes along, does it just sit and wait to be ripped to shreds? More power to them, if they fix it they should fly it. I know of a collector of fine rare cars, he isn't afraid to send them off to vintage races or put them on the road. I am also amazed how collectors rebuild from almost zero remains, so even if it gets busted up... Bill Turner wrote: >ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > >=K=5=D=H= wrote: > > > >>because we display the airplane >>both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. >> >> > > > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >I'm appalled to see your group is flying this priceless airplane. >Sooner or later someone will crack it up and there will be one less for >future generations to see. Please put pressure on your group to ground >it permanently and preserve it forever so out great-great grandchildren >and all future generations can have the opportunity to see the real >thing and not some replica. > >73, Bill W6WRT > > -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P --------------060907050402080209000102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So; if they don't fly it, don't keep it airworthy, what if a hurricane comes along, does it just sit and wait to be ripped to shreds? More power to them, if they fix it they should fly it. I know of a collector of fine rare cars, he isn't  afraid to send them off to vintage races or put them on the road.  I am also amazed how collectors rebuild from almost zero remains, so even if it gets busted up...

Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

=K=5=D=H= wrote:

  
because we display the airplane
both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins.
    



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

I'm appalled to see your group is flying this priceless airplane.
Sooner or later someone will crack it up and there will be one less for
future generations to see. Please put pressure on your group to ground
it permanently and preserve it forever so out great-great grandchildren
and all future generations can have the opportunity to see the real
thing and not some replica.

73, Bill W6WRT
  

-- 
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money"  ;-P

--------------060907050402080209000102-- Article: 101961 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Reg Edwards" Subject: New Program. Transmission Line Transformers Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: There are two transmission lines in cascade plus a load impedance. The first line can be considered to be the main line from the transmitter. The second line can be considered to be an impedance matching transformer between the first line and the antenna. What is the impedance and length of line in the transformer if the antenna feedpoint impedance is not purely resistive? What are the input impedances of the two lines, R+jX ? What percentage of transmitter power is dissipated in the two lines? What is the overall power efficiency? The answers can be found in new program TWOLINES. SWR is not involved. Download program TWOLINES from website below in a few seconds and run immediately. -- ........................................................... Regards from Reg, G4FGQ For Free Radio Design Software go to http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp ........................................................... Article: 101962 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "RST Engineering" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:04:37 -0800 Message-ID: <79f6d$4420a2a7$42512fca$18141@DIALUPUSA.NET> The only thing you have to have "original" on an aircraft is the data plate. Everything else can be salvage, new parts, homebuilt parts, whatever. The data plate is the key. Jim >> I am also amazed how collectors rebuild from almost zero remains, so >> even if it gets busted >>up... Article: 101963 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Charlie Hugg" Subject: FS Mosley CL-33-M Beam Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:46:02 -0600 I have a like new condition Mosley Classic 33 HF Beam for sale. It the late model CL-33-M and currently sells for $650 from Mosley. It has great gain on 20, 15, and 10 meters. It has a 18 foot boom.This one was up for a little over a year and looks brand new. It has been taken down and is partially disassembled. It would be very easy to put it back together again since all pieces are color coded. It also would fit into a pickup truck for transportation. The price is $300 picked up. I don't want to ship it. Or I can meet someone within 100 miles of Abilene, Texas. Thanks, Charlie Hugg, K5MBX -- ________________________________ See my Signal/One, Collins & Drake Photo Galleries and my Hallicrafters Virtual Museum at http://hug-a-bug.com Article: 101964 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <79f6d$4420a2a7$42512fca$18141@DIALUPUSA.NET> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:38:18 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070907090802000107050107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Put the data plate in a safety deposit box and fly the plane! RST Engineering wrote: >The only thing you have to have "original" on an aircraft is the data plate. >Everything else can be salvage, new parts, homebuilt parts, whatever. The >data plate is the key. > >Jim > > > > > > >>> I am also amazed how collectors rebuild from almost zero remains, so >>>even if it gets busted >>up... >>> >>> > > > > -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P --------------070907090802000107050107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put the data plate in a safety deposit box and fly the plane!

RST Engineering wrote:
The only thing you have to have "original" on an aircraft is the data plate. 
Everything else can be salvage, new parts, homebuilt parts, whatever.  The 
data plate is the key.

Jim




  
 I am also amazed how collectors rebuild from almost zero remains, so 
even if it gets busted >>up... 
      


  

-- 
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money"  ;-P

--------------070907090802000107050107-- Article: 101965 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "notallhamsareassholes" References: Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: <6Z1Uf.269$T52.145551@news.sisna.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:43:31 -0800 For crying out loud Mike, was that TRULY necessary? "Mike Andrews" wrote in message news:dvp3ha$d39$1@puck.litech.org... > In rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors =K=5=D=H= wrote: > > > My final request is this: If you have nothing nice to > > say about this effort, please say nothing. If you are > > not a warbird fan, if you believe our effort is a waste > > of time and money, if you think we're "glorifying" war, > > if you think operating antique warplanes is dangerous > > and should be outlawed, etc, etc... you're entitled to > > your opinion, but I respectfully ask that you keep it > > to yourself. > > Up to this point I agree with everything you have to say. > > But I'll say what I please about your efforts, and defend to the death > the right of others to say it, as well. > > You don't have to like it, and you don't have to read it, either, but > everyone else is as entitled to state his, her, or its opinions on old > warbirds as you are. > > That said, I hope you're successful in your quest. > > -- > Mike Andrews, W5EGO > mikea@mikea.ath.cx > Tired old sysadmin Article: 101966 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: bg998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Martin Potter) Subject: Re: Amphenol 621-685 coax? Date: 22 Mar 2006 03:18:20 GMT Message-ID: References: Martin Potter (bg998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes: > Does anyone recall the basic specs for "Amphenol No. 621-685" coax cable? > Thanks to Scott and Colin for your suggestions. It is indeed coax cable as I cut off one connector, somewhat crimping the inards in the process. It sure does look like RG-59 with solid dielectric and solid copper center conductor, although I don't have any of that to compare directly. Will have to unsquash it and make some accurate measurements. Thanks again, fellas. ... Martin VE3OAT Article: 101967 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dave Stadt" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:47:14 GMT "Bill Turner" wrote in message news:44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net... > ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > > =K=5=D=H= wrote: > >> because we display the airplane >> both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > I'm appalled to see your group is flying this priceless airplane. > Sooner or later someone will crack it up and there will be one less for > future generations to see. Please put pressure on your group to ground > it permanently and preserve it forever so out great-great grandchildren > and all future generations can have the opportunity to see the real > thing and not some replica. > > 73, Bill W6WRT An airplane that is not flown is so much scrap metal. They were designed and built to be flown and in the air is where they belong. If someone wants a static display let them build a replica. Article: 101968 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: jakdedert Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:03:23 -0600 Dave Stadt wrote: > "Bill Turner" wrote in message > news:44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> ORIGINAL MESSAGE: >> >> =K=5=D=H= wrote: >> >>> because we display the airplane >>> both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. >> >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> I'm appalled to see your group is flying this priceless airplane. >> Sooner or later someone will crack it up and there will be one less for >> future generations to see. Please put pressure on your group to ground >> it permanently and preserve it forever so out great-great grandchildren >> and all future generations can have the opportunity to see the real >> thing and not some replica. >> >> 73, Bill W6WRT > > An airplane that is not flown is so much scrap metal. They were designed > and built to be flown and in the air is where they belong. If someone wants > a static display let them build a replica. > > > Hear! Hear! jak Article: 101969 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: jakdedert Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:06:53 -0600 Dave Stadt wrote: > "Bill Turner" wrote in message > news:44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> ORIGINAL MESSAGE: >> >> =K=5=D=H= wrote: >> >>> because we display the airplane >>> both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. >> >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> I'm appalled to see your group is flying this priceless airplane. >> Sooner or later someone will crack it up and there will be one less for >> future generations to see. Please put pressure on your group to ground >> it permanently and preserve it forever so out great-great grandchildren >> and all future generations can have the opportunity to see the real >> thing and not some replica. >> >> 73, Bill W6WRT > > An airplane that is not flown is so much scrap metal. They were designed > and built to be flown and in the air is where they belong. If someone wants > a static display let them build a replica. > > > Add to that the fact that this 'priceless airplane' is only such *because* this group invested heavily in its existence. Without their contribution of time, effort, money and hardship, it would--in fact--(still) be only so much scrap metal. jak Article: 101970 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Ed Zeranski" Subject: Re: When did Kenwoods etc become "boatanchors"? Date: 22 Mar 2006 01:26:56 EST Message-ID: References: <121dq1q29s4c504@corp.supernews.com> ............ Those early "rice boxes" have a lot in common > with the "true boat anchors". I rebuilt a K'wood 520 for Gary KM6A. It had tubes (6146)so it is BA for me...perhaps the end of BA but BA just the same. Crap sakes! If you look the other way, as in back, before tubes there were crystal sets...proto solid state....so our beloved tube sets were perhaps a short lived transitional stage....~8^* OOOOH but I like them anyway. EdZ Article: 101971 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Michael Crestohl Subject: FS: Cover and AC Power Cord for AN/USM 159A Frequency Mter Message-ID: <8frj42pkfccpqg348p4o8oomlg9pr2itso@4ax.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:48:50 GMT Hi Gang: I found this in the basement and don't need it because I don't have this piece of equipment. I can't even recall how I came to have it. If you have one of these freq meters (with the cool film strip readout) missing the cover here's your chance to pick it up. It is in very clean condition; paintwork is excellent with a couple of die-size abrasions on the front. Rubber sealing gasket is excellent. The AC line cord is also there but the plug is missing. I'm asking $15.00 plus postage for it; any takers? Please reply by e-mail. Tnx es 73, Michael, W1RC w1rc*at*verizon-dot-com Article: 101972 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Michael Crestohl Subject: FS: Collins 30L-1 Amplifier Manual (Copy) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:50:10 GMT Hi Gang: I have an excellent copy of the Instruction Book for the Collins 30L-1 amplifier that is surplus to my needs. It is the 2nd Edition dated 15 June 1961. It is an excellent copy with the full pull-out schematic, and hardly distinguishable from an original. I am asking $5.00 plus postage. If interested please reply by e-mail. My address has been obscured to try to prevent spamming. Tnx es 73, Michael, W1RC w1rc*at*verizon*dot*com Article: 101973 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Michael Crestohl Subject: FS: Drake R-4 Receiver Manual (Copy) Message-ID: <0irj421i3tt46ba6hc6hrasd46o3qgki74@4ax.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:50:16 GMT Hi Gang: I have an excellent copy of the 35 page Instruction Manual for the R L Drake R-4 Receiver that is surplus to my needs. The cover is slightly "wavy" and slightly blemished but the manual copy is a very good one and is hardly distinguishable from an original. It is bound at the top with a couple of tie wraps which makes it easy to flip through and look at while working on the radio. I am asking $5.00 plus postage. If interested please reply by e-mail. My address has been obscured to try to prevent spamming. Tnx es 73, Michael, W1RC w1rc*at*verizon*dot*com Article: 101974 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Mike Andrews" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <6Z1Uf.269$T52.145551@news.sisna.com> In rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors notallhamsareassholes wrote: > "Mike Andrews" wrote in message > news:dvp3ha$d39$1@puck.litech.org... >> In rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors =K=5=D=H= wrote: >> >> > My final request is this: If you have nothing nice to >> > say about this effort, please say nothing. If you are >> > not a warbird fan, if you believe our effort is a waste >> > of time and money, if you think we're "glorifying" war, >> > if you think operating antique warplanes is dangerous >> > and should be outlawed, etc, etc... you're entitled to >> > your opinion, but I respectfully ask that you keep it >> > to yourself. >> >> Up to this point I agree with everything you have to say. >> >> But I'll say what I please about your efforts, and defend to the death >> the right of others to say it, as well. >> >> You don't have to like it, and you don't have to read it, either, but >> everyone else is as entitled to state his, her, or its opinions on old >> warbirds as you are. >> >> That said, I hope you're successful in your quest. > For crying out loud Mike, was that TRULY necessary? I think it was. Usenet is in many ways the equivalent of Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park, London. omeone trying to foreclose comment on his project, after he posts about it on Usenet, is in the position of telling the folks around him at Speakers' Corner that they can listen or not, aas they please, but they aren't to comment. I've been doing this Usenet stuff, for work (mostly) and play since 1983 or so, well before hoi polloi had access to the big-I Internet, and I want to keep its open flavor intact. You have the right to have a different opinion, and (unlike k5dh), I won't ask you to keep it to yourself. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin Article: 101975 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Amphenol 621-685 coax? Date: 22 Mar 2006 12:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: >Martin Potter (bg998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes: >> Does anyone recall the basic specs for "Amphenol No. 621-685" coax cable? > >Thanks to Scott and Colin for your suggestions. It is indeed coax cable >as I cut off one connector, somewhat crimping the inards in the process. >It sure does look like RG-59 with solid dielectric and solid copper >center conductor, although I don't have any of that to compare directly. >Will have to unsquash it and make some accurate measurements. Strip some. See if you get graphite on your hands. If you do, it's not RF coax. If you don't, measure it. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Article: 101976 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: <44219fba$1_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 22 Mar 2006 14:04:26 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote: > So; if they don't fly it, don't keep it airworthy, what if a > hurricane comes along, does it just sit and wait to be ripped to > shreds? More power to them, if they fix it they should fly it. I know > of a collector of fine rare cars, he isn't afraid to send them off > to vintage races or put them on the road. I am also amazed how > collectors rebuild from almost zero remains, so even if it gets > busted up... *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Yes, I know stupid, self-centered people too. What's your point? Bill, W6WRT Article: 101977 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 22 Mar 2006 14:09:47 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Chuck Harris wrote: > Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply > because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring > the pot" comes to mind. > > -Chuck *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway. Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it. Mr Bill Article: 101978 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Bob Miller Subject: Re: Another Amazing Boatanchor on e-bay Message-ID: <9bd3225er4k39vburqj80p8ool0vkljpsv@4ax.com> References: <1142993274.316413.215230@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:38:27 GMT On 21 Mar 2006 18:07:54 -0800, w8ji@akorn.net wrote: > >Caveat Lector wrote: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Collins-51S-1-Like-New-Condition-Look-Rare_W0QQitemZ5881838177QQcategoryZ4673QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> Collins 51S-1 $1995 >> >> -- >> CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! > >By Radioworks, none the less. > >Radioworks auctioned a Drake R4C that belonged to a friend of mine as >"one of the finest Drake R4C's ever from my personal collection". > >They bought it just a week or so before selling it, so it wasn't in his >collection long. I'm watching the unbuilt heathkit sb-104, $2025 on eBay with 20 minutes to go... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9700244106&fromMakeTrack=true bob k5qwg Article: 101979 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "k9gco" Subject: WTD: R-100A S-Meter Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:24:03 -0600 Message-ID: Anyone have an S-meter for this old Knight receiver? Article: 101980 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dave Stadt" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: <1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:59:41 GMT "Bill Turner" wrote in message news:4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net... > ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > > Chuck Harris wrote: > >> Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply >> because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring >> the pot" comes to mind. >> >> -Chuck > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an > idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway. > > Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost > because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the > original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless > relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it. > > Mr Bill If you feel that way you should purchase them and put them in a museum. Most would not have survived and will not survive without the intent to fly. Not much money available for the restoration of static displays. Lotsa money available for flying restorations. Glaicer girl is an excellent example. Article: 101981 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Woody" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:14:12 GMT Heh, I'm as real as it gets, brother. So you do collect boatanchors? Do you also have an attic full of empty radio boxes? I'm betting you do. But that's your choice, now isn't it? And nothing wrong with it. On the power-up thing, I disagree, citing that it depends on how much power is applied to it..... :-) Or it could catch fire and burn to the desk... or the ground... or if it were donated to a B-17 restoration, it could very well end up splattered all over a hillside somewhere... LOL. And yes, *I* get it.... enjoy what you have or what's the sense in having it?? Moth-ball a vintage plane in Tucson, AZ or some museum, and I'll NEVER get to see it. Fly it to my local fly-in and I do... [said while gazing up at the photo of my daughter sitting left-seat in the Texas Raiders 17g when it was HERE at a fly-in.] Everything is disposable and it certainly doesn't transgress to the 'other side'. Use it or lose it; 'cuz cars are for driving, radios are for driveling into, and an aircraft is for flying. There's a fine line between being a keep-the-box-because-it-matters-to-other-boxkeepers packrat, and preserving history. Do *you* get it?? rb "Bill Turner" wrote in message news:44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net... > ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > > Woody wrote: > >> Unreal...... Lemme guess, you collect boatanchors, restore them, then >> refuse to power them up? Someone once told me ham radio is a >> 'condition', not a hobby. I'm starting to think he was right. rb > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > Get real, rb. If someone powers up a boatanchor, it will never end up > splattered all over a hillside somewhere. Get it? > > Bill, W6WRT Article: 101982 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Woody" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: <8rjUf.8669$vy.3628@trnddc01> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:36:04 GMT Wow... didn't realize the scope of this... In that case, it seems there are plenty of people here who think you are an idiot also. So agree to disagree and be done with it. rb "Bill Turner" wrote in message news:4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net... > ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > > Chuck Harris wrote: > >> Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply >> because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring >> the pot" comes to mind. >> >> -Chuck > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an > idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway. > > Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost > because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the > original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless > relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it. > > Mr Bill Article: 101983 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Bricktop Subject: Re: Ocean State Electronics Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:28:32 -0500 On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:33:18 GMT, "Dale Parfitt" wrote: >Anyone else having difficulty contacting them? The phone lines remain busy >for hours on end. > >Dale W4OP > Maybe they left the phone off the hook. I don't know how they stay so busy. I dealt with them twice and had terrible customer service. Needless to say , I don't deal with them anymore. I know some people still use them though. Maybe it was just me. Article: 101984 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dale Parfitt" References: Subject: Re: Ocean State Electronics Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:39:59 GMT "Bricktop" wrote in message news:i9n322himot91oa1f06cjeoh2lsfklkehr@4ax.com... > On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:33:18 GMT, "Dale Parfitt" > wrote: > >>Anyone else having difficulty contacting them? The phone lines remain busy >>for hours on end. >> >>Dale W4OP >> > > > Maybe they left the phone off the hook. I don't know how they stay so > busy. I dealt with them twice and had terrible customer service. > Needless to say , I don't deal with them anymore. I know some people > still use them though. Maybe it was just me. Only item I cannot find elsewhere are coil forms and a matching socket, otherwise I would not bother. Dale W4OP Article: 101985 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Caveat Lector" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:00:03 -0800 "Panzer240" wrote in message news:Xns978ED21D164B9fw190a8@198.161.157.145... > "Dave Stadt" wrote in > news:1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com: > > >> >> If you feel that way you should purchase them and put them in a museum. >> Most would not have survived and will not survive without the intent to >> fly. Not much money available for the restoration of static displays. >> Lotsa money available for flying restorations. Glaicer girl is an >> excellent example. >> >> > And the Memphis Belle is an example of a static display going down the > tubes. > Still not finished and now moved to Dayton, the US Air Force museum due to > lack of funds to keep the Belle in condition. Those machines were meant to > fly and should be flown. It's really sad to see them rot away on the > ground. > In the air they are living history, and give peole a chance to experience > the > ground pounding thunder of their mighty engines as they soar overhead. And > very ocaisonally one may get the opportunity to fly in one of them if they > are very lucky as a friend of mine did a few years ago in one of the last > Lancaster bombers left flying. > > -- > Panzer > Another grounded B-17G is parked outside at the Tulare, CA Airport URL: http://ben92252-01.tripod.com/index.htm -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Article: 101986 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Caveat Lector" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:10:01 -0800 You can see "Preston's Pride" a B17G at the Tulare, CA Airport if you go to the Visalia, CA - DX Convention URL: http://www.dxconvention.org/ The 57th Annual DX Convention - A must for DXers -- April 21, 22 & 23 2006 -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:jqmUf.13996$6a1.4829@fed1read04... > > Another grounded B-17G is parked outside at the Tulare, CA Airport > URL: > http://ben92252-01.tripod.com/index.htm > -- > CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! > > > > > Article: 101987 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: Ocean State Electronics Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1223tuttnub6501@corp.supernews.com> References: Dale Parfitt wrote: > > Only item I cannot find elsewhere are coil forms and a matching socket, > otherwise I would not bother. > Dale W4OP > > Dale, drop me a line. Maybe I can help. -Bill Article: 101988 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 22 Mar 2006 20:37:33 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Woody wrote: > There's a fine line between being a > keep-the-box-because-it-matters-to-other-boxkeepers packrat, and > preserving history. > > Do you get it?? > rb *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Absolutely, I get it. You and the two or three posters who agree with you are self-centered pigs who care nothing about preserving history. Your temporary adrenaline rush is much more important, and the risk of splattering a priceless aircraft means nothing beside your momentary thrills. How sad that people like you are allowed to own such an aircraft. A hundred or five hundred years from now, if your ilk prevails, people will be saying "Gosh, I wish someone had kept a B-17G preserved somewhere. I would have really loved to see the real thing". I hope and pray there are not many like you. Bill T. Article: 101989 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219fba$1_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <8e-dnd0IH_3lU7zZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4421fc3e_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 22 Mar 2006 20:39:10 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Spokesman wrote: > > Bill, are you looking in the mirror as you post? *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Lame. Try again. Bill T. Article: 101990 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:52:41 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090000090301090200040308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill is 100% correct. He should negotiate and buy the plane from the restorers for its priceless value, say $50-100 million, he can then store it and show it to whomever he pleases! That is the American way! Bill Turner wrote: >ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > >Woody wrote: > > > >>There's a fine line between being a >>keep-the-box-because-it-matters-to-other-boxkeepers packrat, and >>preserving history. >> >>Do you get it?? >>rb >> >> > > > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >Absolutely, I get it. > >You and the two or three posters who agree with you are self-centered >pigs who care nothing about preserving history. Your temporary >adrenaline rush is much more important, and the risk of splattering a >priceless aircraft means nothing beside your momentary thrills. How sad >that people like you are allowed to own such an aircraft. > >A hundred or five hundred years from now, if your ilk prevails, people >will be saying "Gosh, I wish someone had kept a B-17G preserved >somewhere. I would have really loved to see the real thing". > >I hope and pray there are not many like you. > >Bill T. > > -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P --------------090000090301090200040308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill is 100% correct. He should negotiate and buy the plane from the restorers for its priceless value, say $50-100 million, he can then store it and show it to whomever he pleases! That is the American way!

Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Woody wrote:

  
There's a fine line between being a
keep-the-box-because-it-matters-to-other-boxkeepers packrat, and
preserving history.

Do you get it??
rb
    



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Absolutely, I get it. 

You and the two or three posters who agree with you are self-centered
pigs who care nothing about preserving history. Your temporary
adrenaline rush is much more important, and the risk of splattering a
priceless aircraft means nothing beside your momentary thrills. How sad
that people like you are allowed to own such an aircraft.

A hundred or five hundred years from now, if your ilk prevails, people
will be saying "Gosh, I wish someone had kept a B-17G preserved
somewhere. I would have really loved to see the real thing".

I hope and pray there are not many like you. 

Bill T.
  

-- 
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money"  ;-P

--------------090000090301090200040308-- Article: 101991 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: <442210a3_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 22 Mar 2006 22:06:11 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote: > Bill is 100% correct. He should negotiate and buy the plane from the > restorers for its priceless value, say $50-100 million, he can then > store it and show it to whomever he pleases! That is the American way! *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** If I had the money, I would. Bill T. Article: 101992 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <6OydnULN4OFdm7_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <44221387_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 22 Mar 2006 22:18:31 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Spokesman wrote: > I plug in my boat anchors. I heat my shop with an FRR 59 . I would > never think of just leaving it sitting there collecting dust and > rusting away. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Your boatanchor will not be destroyed by plugging it in and using it on your bench at home. No problem there. On the other hand, if it is one of a very few remaining, it might not be a good idea to take it on a one-man kayak DXpedition across the Bering Sea in winter. Airplanes crash, especially ones flown and maintained by well-meaning but inexperienced pilots and mechanics who are usually short of cash, spare parts and time, and who, sooner or later, will feel the pressure to fly it when they really shouldn't in order to keep an airshow schedule. Park it. Bill T. Article: 101993 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Ben Bradley Subject: Re: When did Kenwoods etc become "boatanchors"? Message-ID: <0u2422dg9a87v1t9f6u3sikafra19ajfeu@4ax.com> References: <121dq1q29s4c504@corp.supernews.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:06:00 GMT On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:55:22 -0600, "Cal" wrote: >Kenwoods, Yaesus, Icoms, Sonys...sheesh! >Don't you guys with your modern rice boxes have plenty of other forums to >fill up? I know you'd like to think your stuff is "classic" but it isn't >and doesn't belong here. I've wondered if some American-made tube radios could really be called boatanchors, such as the S-38. It's small, line-powered and thus NO power transformer, and light enough that even if it doesn't float, I wouldn't feel confident using it to anchor the smallest boat that would hold me. I recall my father's NC-300. He used it for a short while with his SB-400, then when he got and assembled an SB-301, he put the NC-300 on a separate table for SWL. That thing has double conversion, lots of tubes including one for current regulation, a VR-150 for voltage regulation, a 100kHz crystal calibrator w/oscillator tube, and of course a power transformer to run them all that by itself must weigh many times more than an S-38. It's got the mass of a boatanchor, and so in a pinch (when you don't mind destroying a perfectly good radio) it would work well to hold a boat in one place. Article: 101994 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Ray - KU2S Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:35:36 GMT On 22 Mar 2006 14:09:47 -0500, "Bill Turner" wrote: >ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > >Chuck Harris wrote: > >> Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply >> because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring >> the pot" comes to mind. >> >> -Chuck > > > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an >idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway. > >Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost >because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the >original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless >relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it. > >Mr Bill Just a thought here, but I'm sure that nobody at the Boeing factory back in the 1930's through early 40's (not EXACTLY sure of the years of production, but it's close enough) had even a HOPE that ANY B-17 would still be flying in the year 2006. As a matter of fact, during the darker days of 1942, I'm sure that most pilots of B-17's were positive that NO B-17's would be flying as late as 1943! Face it. The aircraft was built to be a warbird. It was designed to fly, take damage, be repaired, and jump back into the air. Fly it until she dies. She deserves it. It's called a death with dignity. Raymond A. Sirois - KU2S SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6023 http://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6080 Article: 101995 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dave Stadt" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:47:43 GMT "Bill Turner" wrote in message news:4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > Absolutely, I get it. > > You and the two or three posters who agree with you are self-centered > pigs who care nothing about preserving history. Your temporary > adrenaline rush is much more important, and the risk of splattering a > priceless aircraft means nothing beside your momentary thrills. How sad > that people like you are allowed to own such an aircraft. > > A hundred or five hundred years from now, if your ilk prevails, people > will be saying "Gosh, I wish someone had kept a B-17G preserved > somewhere. I would have really loved to see the real thing". > > I hope and pray there are not many like you. > > Bill T. There are millions of us. Article: 101996 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: jakdedert Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: <%EqUf.1271$sU4.902@bignews4.bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:51:58 -0600 Dave Stadt wrote: > "Bill Turner" wrote in message > news:4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> Absolutely, I get it. >> >> You and the two or three posters who agree with you are self-centered >> pigs who care nothing about preserving history. Your temporary >> adrenaline rush is much more important, and the risk of splattering a >> priceless aircraft means nothing beside your momentary thrills. How sad >> that people like you are allowed to own such an aircraft. >> >> A hundred or five hundred years from now, if your ilk prevails, people >> will be saying "Gosh, I wish someone had kept a B-17G preserved >> somewhere. I would have really loved to see the real thing". >> >> I hope and pray there are not many like you. >> >> Bill T. > > There are millions of us. > And he's heard from 'many like...' here. The word 'obtuse' comes to mind. jak Article: 101997 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: jakdedert Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:02:55 -0600 Panzer240 wrote: > "Dave Stadt" wrote in > news:1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com: > > >> If you feel that way you should purchase them and put them in a museum. >> Most would not have survived and will not survive without the intent to >> fly. Not much money available for the restoration of static displays. >> Lotsa money available for flying restorations. Glaicer girl is an >> excellent example. >> >> > And the Memphis Belle is an example of a static display going down the tubes. > Still not finished and now moved to Dayton, the US Air Force museum due to > lack of funds to keep the Belle in condition. Those machines were meant to > fly and should be flown. It's really sad to see them rot away on the ground. > In the air they are living history, and give peole a chance to experience the > ground pounding thunder of their mighty engines as they soar overhead. And > very ocaisonally one may get the opportunity to fly in one of them if they > are very lucky as a friend of mine did a few years ago in one of the last > Lancaster bombers left flying. > Aww...that's too bad. I only saw her once back in the 80's and she looked fine back then. I guess I should have questioned (in my mind anyway) the wisdom of keeping her in open air beside--no, in the middle of (Mud Island - Memphis)--the Mississippi River; but they went to a lot of trouble to get her there. It's a shame to have abandoned the effort. This is a case of perhaps a machine which should only be static displayed. She's not one of the thousands of anonymous 17's remembered only by their dwindling numbers of surviving crew; but rather a piece of history with an unparalleled combat record at the time of her retirement. She's done her bit... jak Article: 101998 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Ed Zeranski" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: 23 Mar 2006 00:59:22 EST Message-ID: References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Jeeze Loooo F***in' Weeze Folks! Stop the Global Whining! I don't care about the first post and the request for no BS...you can ask for what ever you want. Now....anybody else gonna pony up a part or two toward having a B-17 with a representative radio position? From what I've learned the radio position will be for display not a necessarily a full on operating position. That is OK in my book, better than an open hole. The op and his group can always have a radio position outside the airframe like Dave Stinson had in Texas that can be set up next to the airframe and operated where lots can see it. Anyway, I gave a grunch of radio gear to LST325 that worked because they wanted to set up an operating radio space. No probs sending some look-at ARC-5 to a B-17. Anyone else going to send some parts? Or just blab? EdZ Article: 101999 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "COLIN LAMB" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:20:19 GMT I must say that when I ship a piece of WWII gear, I feel guilty packing it. It was designed to be shot at, go through intense cold and heat and keep working, and then I ship it off and pack it like it was a treasure. I really should tape an address label on it and drop it in the box. I doubt that the post office can do what the Germans and Japanese could not do - but I still pack the stuff with care. But, this saving for history is a mixed bag. I have had a WERS 112 Mhz transceiver sitting on my shelf for years. It is useless. I am tempted to convert it into a working transceiver with really cute dials (and no cut holes) - but I cannot do it. So, it will sit on my shelf until I die, then be thrown out along with my 20 ARC-5s. Colin K7FM Article: 102000 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment From: k5dh@raytheon.com (-=H=-) References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:01:27 GMT Holy cow, what a firestorm I've started! In my original post, I should have included the following statement (which might have avoided this useless fight): Please keep your opinion to yourself BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT FORUM FOR SUCH A DISCUSSION (on whether it's right or wrong to fly vintage aircraft, etc). I surely did not mean that we all can't have our opinions. This IS still the United States of America, and that IS still one of our most basic, cherished freedoms. I, too, would fight to the death to defend those freedoms. However, there is a time and place to discuss any topic worth discussing, and this simply isn't the place for the "fly or no fly" topic. This is a forum for discussing radios, not the politics of aviation. Of course, hindsight is 20-20. I apologize to the group for opening the flood gates and inadvertently getting this inappropriate firestorm started. I'll toss in my comments, since the horse has long ago escaped from the barn. For those who believe that we should ground our B-17 to preserve it for future generations, lest it might someday be destroyed and no one will get to see one in the future, fear not. There are literally dozens of B-17s on static display all over the world. A few of those static restorations are superb (witness the USAF Museum's Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby), while a many other static planes are cobbled-together airframes that are literally rotting away on outdoor display. One need only look for static B-17s, and they'll be relatively easy to find. They're not really in short supply. Someone mentioned seeing Memphis Belle flying back in the 1980s (I think that's what they said). Memphis Belle has not flown in decades. There is another "F" model that's painted to represent the Belle, and that aircraft is a regular flyer on the show circuit. As I recall, it's the only flying "F" model. The comment about many vintage warplanes crashing due to poor piloting and poor maintenance is right on the money. These old aircraft require a LOT of work to keep them safely operational, and they require a LOT of pilot skill and training to keep the pilots from making the poor decision that lead to crashes. Many groups have fallen into this category (including the mighty CAF), but that's changing. We're seeing a big trend toward proper restorations (not just patching airplanes together) and proper training of pilots and crews. The safety records are getting better (though we certainly have a long way to go). The warbird community recognizes that slip-shod restoration work ain't gonna cut it, and pilot training has become the big focus that it should have been in the past. We're not out of the woods yet, but we're a LOT better, and continuing to improve. VFM's chief pilot (and the actual owner of our B-17) is one of the few B-17 flight instructors in the world. He's owned and flown this particular airplane since the 1970s. Our chief mechanic is a lifelong A&P mechanic (also a ham!). Our maintenance schedule is thorough and very rigorous. NOTHING comes before safety, on the ground and in the air. Our ground and air crews go through recurrent annual training and constant on-the-line training. If there's a problem, then the airplane does not fly. It's as simple as that. No airshow commitment is important enough to risk the lives of our crews or the safety of the airplane. As I stated before, the reason we don't have money to go buy vintage radios is that our money goes into the one really important thing: the airplane itself. OK... as Ed Zeranski pointed out... the purpose of my original posting was to try to acquire original radio gear for the B-17. So far, a lot of people have come out of the woodwork to argue and fight and whine, but Ed's the only one who's actually offered to donate anything (other than myself; I donated a nice ARC5 transmitter from my own station). As I told Ed in a private email, the chances that we will be able to put together a working station aboard the aircraft are pretty small. So far, no other '17 has a working station, though several of them have a nice set of original radios installed but not wired. We won't rule out the possibility of getting some of the gear to work (at least the BC-348-J receiver), but since all of the required wiring was removed from the airframe decades ago, it would be daunting task that would require a lot of money and volunteer hours. We prefer to spend the money keeping the airplane in proper, safe flying condition, and using her to share history with those who come to the museum and to the air shows to see and appreciate it. I said in my original post that we have a BC-348-P on board the '17. I was mistaken. It's a BC-348-J. I didn't have my notes handy when I wrote the post. So... GENTLEMEN... let's halt the "fly - no fly" part of this thread... let's agree to disagree and get back to the original purpose. If no one is interested in helping us out, that's fine. We will survive. Let's just stop all of the arguing and whining. This isn't the right forum for it. Write to the FAA and ask them to stop allowing us to fly. Write to Air Classics and tell the world why what we do is wrong (and yes, Mike O'Leary WILL publish letters of dissent!). Stand out in front of our museum entrance and hand out flyers to our guests if you like. Let's just re-focus on radio gear here on these newsgroups! Please? 73, Dean Hemphill, K5DH In article , k5dh@qsl.net says... > >WANTED: B-17G Flying Fortress radio equipment > >This is a long message... please read it all! > >The Vintage Flying Museum of Fort Worth, Texas, home >of B-17G N3701G, "Chuckie", is seeking DONATIONS of >any kind of radio and radar equipment that would have >been used aboard B-17G's built from early-1944 on. > >Our airplane is a B-17G-70-VE, serial number 44-8543A. >She was built in January, 1944, by the Vega division >of Lockheed (B-17G's were built by Boeing, Douglas, >and Vega). She was converted to a "pathfinder" model, >which means she had a radar set installed in place of >the ball turret which allowed bombing through overcast. >Very few Forts were converted for this mission, and it >is possible that our Fort saw combat time over Europe. >The combat records of the pathfinder Forts are still >classified, so we may never know for sure. > >Right now, the only original radio gear installed in >the airplane is a BC-348-P receiver and shock mount. >We need everything else. Some of the specific items >we seek are the BC-375-E transmitter, tuning units >TU-4B through TU-10B, BC-306 antenna matching unit, >the wooded tuning unit storage rack that mounts to the >rear bulkhead, ceramic feedthrough insulators, power >and control connectors, and cables. We're also looking >for command set transmitters, receivers, racks, cables, >control boxes, spline cables (the LONG ones that will >reach the flight deck ceiling), modulator, and so on. > >Obviously, we are looking for NICE equipment that is >in display condition because we display the airplane >both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. We'll >certainly accept donations of "parts units", but the >primary focus is on acquiring gear that looks good >enough to be installed in the airplane. We want to >impress our tour guests at the air shows with a great >looking radio room! Do you have some surplus military >WW2 airborne radios stashed in your garage or attic? >Would you like to see them go to a good home? Please >donate your equipment to VFM and help us restore the >radio compartment in our beloved B-17! Any radios and >accessories that we don't use in the airplane will be >either put on display in the Museum's exhibit hall or >sold off to generate money to help finance the effort >(no matter how much gets donated, we'll still end up >having to buy some stuff to complete the job!). > >We are a small museum, and we have very limited funds >available to spend on things that don't actually help >us to keep the airplane flying. We are looking for >DONATIONS of equipment. We are a 501-c-3 tax-exempt >charitable organization, and we will provide a tax >receipt for your donation. > >"Chuckie" is one of approximately 15 B-17s worldwide >that are still in flyable condition, and one of about >10 that is flown regularly. Please don't "bash" me >if my numbers are off by a plane or two; the numbers >go up and down as some Forts come out of restoration >and others go down for heavy maintenance or retirement. >She participated in the fabuluous Thunder Over Michigan >air show in 2005 in which EIGHT of the remaining B-17 >population were not only present at the show, but flew >together! It was the largest gathering of civilian >B-17s in history, and it may never be repeated. > >Please visit the Museum's web site: > >http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org > >I have been authorized by the Museum to be the focal >point for this effort. Please address your messages >directly to me. > >We're also looking for a complete chin turret if you >happen to have one stashed in your barn! Actually, >we will graciously accept donations of ANY B-17 parts >that you might have lying around. :) > >My final request is this: If you have nothing nice to >say about this effort, please say nothing. If you are >not a warbird fan, if you believe our effort is a waste >of time and money, if you think we're "glorifying" war, >if you think operating antique warplanes is dangerous >and should be outlawed, etc, etc... you're entitled to >your opinion, but I respectfully ask that you keep it >to yourself. > >Thanks and 73, >Dean Hemphill, K5DH >Vintage Flying Museum member > Article: 102001 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "YT" References: Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:17:56 GMT Well if you had asked for the radio gear without your horse shit caveat, rules and regulation probably no one would have responded. "-=H=-" wrote in message news:XSxUf.1$0m4.0@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com... > Holy cow, what a firestorm I've started! > > In my original post, I should have included the following > statement (which might have avoided this useless fight): > > Please keep your opinion to yourself BECAUSE THIS IS NOT > THE RIGHT FORUM FOR SUCH A DISCUSSION (on whether it's > right or wrong to fly vintage aircraft, etc). I surely > did not mean that we all can't have our opinions. This > IS still the United States of America, and that IS still > one of our most basic, cherished freedoms. I, too, would > fight to the death to defend those freedoms. However, > there is a time and place to discuss any topic worth > discussing, and this simply isn't the place for the "fly > or no fly" topic. This is a forum for discussing radios, > not the politics of aviation. > > Of course, hindsight is 20-20. I apologize to the group > for opening the flood gates and inadvertently getting this > inappropriate firestorm started. > > I'll toss in my comments, since the horse has long ago > escaped from the barn. > > For those who believe that we should ground our B-17 > to preserve it for future generations, lest it might > someday be destroyed and no one will get to see one > in the future, fear not. There are literally dozens > of B-17s on static display all over the world. A few > of those static restorations are superb (witness the > USAF Museum's Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby), while a many other > static planes are cobbled-together airframes that are > literally rotting away on outdoor display. One need > only look for static B-17s, and they'll be relatively > easy to find. They're not really in short supply. > > Someone mentioned seeing Memphis Belle flying back in > the 1980s (I think that's what they said). Memphis > Belle has not flown in decades. There is another "F" > model that's painted to represent the Belle, and that > aircraft is a regular flyer on the show circuit. As > I recall, it's the only flying "F" model. > > The comment about many vintage warplanes crashing due > to poor piloting and poor maintenance is right on the > money. These old aircraft require a LOT of work to > keep them safely operational, and they require a LOT > of pilot skill and training to keep the pilots from > making the poor decision that lead to crashes. Many > groups have fallen into this category (including the > mighty CAF), but that's changing. We're seeing a big > trend toward proper restorations (not just patching > airplanes together) and proper training of pilots and > crews. The safety records are getting better (though > we certainly have a long way to go). The warbird > community recognizes that slip-shod restoration work > ain't gonna cut it, and pilot training has become the > big focus that it should have been in the past. We're > not out of the woods yet, but we're a LOT better, and > continuing to improve. > > VFM's chief pilot (and the actual owner of our B-17) > is one of the few B-17 flight instructors in the world. > He's owned and flown this particular airplane since the > 1970s. Our chief mechanic is a lifelong A&P mechanic > (also a ham!). Our maintenance schedule is thorough > and very rigorous. NOTHING comes before safety, on > the ground and in the air. Our ground and air crews > go through recurrent annual training and constant > on-the-line training. If there's a problem, then the > airplane does not fly. It's as simple as that. No > airshow commitment is important enough to risk the > lives of our crews or the safety of the airplane. As > I stated before, the reason we don't have money to go > buy vintage radios is that our money goes into the > one really important thing: the airplane itself. > > OK... as Ed Zeranski pointed out... the purpose of my > original posting was to try to acquire original radio > gear for the B-17. So far, a lot of people have come > out of the woodwork to argue and fight and whine, but > Ed's the only one who's actually offered to donate > anything (other than myself; I donated a nice ARC5 > transmitter from my own station). > > As I told Ed in a private email, the chances that we > will be able to put together a working station aboard > the aircraft are pretty small. So far, no other '17 > has a working station, though several of them have a > nice set of original radios installed but not wired. > We won't rule out the possibility of getting some of > the gear to work (at least the BC-348-J receiver), > but since all of the required wiring was removed from > the airframe decades ago, it would be daunting task > that would require a lot of money and volunteer hours. > We prefer to spend the money keeping the airplane in > proper, safe flying condition, and using her to share > history with those who come to the museum and to the > air shows to see and appreciate it. > > I said in my original post that we have a BC-348-P on > board the '17. I was mistaken. It's a BC-348-J. I > didn't have my notes handy when I wrote the post. > > So... GENTLEMEN... let's halt the "fly - no fly" part > of this thread... let's agree to disagree and get back > to the original purpose. If no one is interested in > helping us out, that's fine. We will survive. Let's > just stop all of the arguing and whining. This isn't > the right forum for it. Write to the FAA and ask them > to stop allowing us to fly. Write to Air Classics and > tell the world why what we do is wrong (and yes, Mike > O'Leary WILL publish letters of dissent!). Stand out > in front of our museum entrance and hand out flyers to > our guests if you like. Let's just re-focus on radio > gear here on these newsgroups! Please? > > 73, > Dean Hemphill, K5DH > > > > In article , k5dh@qsl.net says... >> >>WANTED: B-17G Flying Fortress radio equipment >> >>This is a long message... please read it all! >> >>The Vintage Flying Museum of Fort Worth, Texas, home >>of B-17G N3701G, "Chuckie", is seeking DONATIONS of >>any kind of radio and radar equipment that would have >>been used aboard B-17G's built from early-1944 on. >> >>Our airplane is a B-17G-70-VE, serial number 44-8543A. >>She was built in January, 1944, by the Vega division >>of Lockheed (B-17G's were built by Boeing, Douglas, >>and Vega). She was converted to a "pathfinder" model, >>which means she had a radar set installed in place of >>the ball turret which allowed bombing through overcast. >>Very few Forts were converted for this mission, and it >>is possible that our Fort saw combat time over Europe. >>The combat records of the pathfinder Forts are still >>classified, so we may never know for sure. >> >>Right now, the only original radio gear installed in >>the airplane is a BC-348-P receiver and shock mount. >>We need everything else. Some of the specific items >>we seek are the BC-375-E transmitter, tuning units >>TU-4B through TU-10B, BC-306 antenna matching unit, >>the wooded tuning unit storage rack that mounts to the >>rear bulkhead, ceramic feedthrough insulators, power >>and control connectors, and cables. We're also looking >>for command set transmitters, receivers, racks, cables, >>control boxes, spline cables (the LONG ones that will >>reach the flight deck ceiling), modulator, and so on. >> >>Obviously, we are looking for NICE equipment that is >>in display condition because we display the airplane >>both in the Museum and at air shows and fly-ins. We'll >>certainly accept donations of "parts units", but the >>primary focus is on acquiring gear that looks good >>enough to be installed in the airplane. We want to >>impress our tour guests at the air shows with a great >>looking radio room! Do you have some surplus military >>WW2 airborne radios stashed in your garage or attic? >>Would you like to see them go to a good home? Please >>donate your equipment to VFM and help us restore the >>radio compartment in our beloved B-17! Any radios and >>accessories that we don't use in the airplane will be >>either put on display in the Museum's exhibit hall or >>sold off to generate money to help finance the effort >>(no matter how much gets donated, we'll still end up >>having to buy some stuff to complete the job!). >> >>We are a small museum, and we have very limited funds >>available to spend on things that don't actually help >>us to keep the airplane flying. We are looking for >>DONATIONS of equipment. We are a 501-c-3 tax-exempt >>charitable organization, and we will provide a tax >>receipt for your donation. >> >>"Chuckie" is one of approximately 15 B-17s worldwide >>that are still in flyable condition, and one of about >>10 that is flown regularly. Please don't "bash" me >>if my numbers are off by a plane or two; the numbers >>go up and down as some Forts come out of restoration >>and others go down for heavy maintenance or retirement. >>She participated in the fabuluous Thunder Over Michigan >>air show in 2005 in which EIGHT of the remaining B-17 >>population were not only present at the show, but flew >>together! It was the largest gathering of civilian >>B-17s in history, and it may never be repeated. >> >>Please visit the Museum's web site: >> >>http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org >> >>I have been authorized by the Museum to be the focal >>point for this effort. Please address your messages >>directly to me. >> >>We're also looking for a complete chin turret if you >>happen to have one stashed in your barn! Actually, >>we will graciously accept donations of ANY B-17 parts >>that you might have lying around. :) >> >>My final request is this: If you have nothing nice to >>say about this effort, please say nothing. If you are >>not a warbird fan, if you believe our effort is a waste >>of time and money, if you think we're "glorifying" war, >>if you think operating antique warplanes is dangerous >>and should be outlawed, etc, etc... you're entitled to >>your opinion, but I respectfully ask that you keep it >>to yourself. >> >>Thanks and 73, >>Dean Hemphill, K5DH >>Vintage Flying Museum member >> > Article: 102002 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Caveat Lector" References: Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: <95BUf.14048$6a1.1077@fed1read04> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:41:31 -0800 Perhaps it will help if you realize this is an unmoderated, free, open forum. As such all sorts of folks lurk here. (from the bottom to the top of the scale) Many obviously with no knowledge of warbirds and restorations there of. The best way to avoid the "firestorm" is to ignore comments not related to your donation request. I sincerely hope some will come forward for the radio donations, I certainly would if I had some. This from one who flew in the 50's prop planes (Before the jets) I fondly recall the ARC-5's, ART-13, BC-348's etc. My Uncle flew in B-17's & B-24's in the China, Burma, India theater - he would be pleased with your efforts. Someday his descendents will marvel that men flew in such machines. Your efforts are a fitting tribute to the men who flew and died in these planes. I think is admirable for you to try and put them back in their original setting - kudos and good luck I'll spread the word here in So Calif for possible donors. -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "-=H=-" wrote in message news:XSxUf.1$0m4.0@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com... > Holy cow, what a firestorm I've started! > > In my original post, I should have included the following > statement (which might have avoided this useless fight): > > SNIP Article: 102003 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "RST Engineering" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <442210a3_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:55:50 -0800 Message-ID: <9464e$4422e127$42512bb4$1222@DIALUPUSA.NET> Money talks, bullshit walks. Jim > > If I had the money, I would. > > Bill T. Article: 102004 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Rob Mills" References: <4422F575.1030705@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Pin-style headphones for S-38 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:01:58 -0600 "Roger D Johnson" wrote in message news:uoGdneK9a84bZr_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@adelphia.com... > K3HVG wrote: >>> Many of the older 'phones use a cloth covered "Litz" type wire. This stuff requires crimp connectors. Trying to convert from one type of connector to another is a nightmare! <<< That's putting it mildly, never could get all those wires in that tip much less get them to stay. RM~ Article: 102005 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Stargatesg1" References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1ViUf.3015$4L1.208@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:06:54 GMT HEAR HEAR!!!! Well said. -- RoD KD0XX PG-6-29404 "Ed Zeranski" wrote in message news:dvtdfq$16c@dispatch.concentric.net... > Jeeze Loooo F***in' Weeze Folks! Stop the Global Whining! I don't care > about the first post and the request for no BS...you can ask for what ever > you want. Now....anybody else gonna pony up a part or two toward having a > B-17 with a representative radio position? From what I've learned the radio > position will be for display not a necessarily a full on operating > position. That is OK in my book, better than an open hole. The op and his > group can always have a radio position outside the airframe like Dave > Stinson had in Texas that can be set up next to the airframe and operated > where lots can see it. Anyway, I gave a grunch of radio gear to LST325 that > worked because they wanted to set up an operating radio space. No probs > sending some look-at ARC-5 to a B-17. Anyone else going to send some parts? > Or just blab? > > EdZ > > Article: 102006 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: chris+news@suslowicz.org (Chris Suslowicz) Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> In article , "COLIN LAMB" wrote: >I must say that when I ship a piece of WWII gear, I feel guilty packing it. >It was designed to be shot at, go through intense cold and heat and keep >working, and then I ship it off and pack it like it was a treasure. I >really should tape an address label on it and drop it in the box. I doubt >that the post office can do what the Germans and Japanese could not do I have no doubt whatsoever. I also have a WW2 manual that includes a section on packaging of equipment for transportation, and they don't doubt it either: "...It should be remembered that goods in transit receive very rough handling, a free drop onto concrete from a height of 4' 6" is not improbable, and packaging should as far as possible be made to meet these conditions". > - but I still pack the stuff with care. As you must. Chris. -- >If being dropped out of an aircraft into ... a minefield is "moderately >rough handling", what would constitute "rough handling"? Being shipped UPS. -- David Richerby and Dave Brown Article: 102007 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: chris+news@suslowicz.org (Chris Suslowicz) Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <%EqUf.1271$sU4.902@bignews4.bellsouth.net> In article <%EqUf.1271$sU4.902@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, jakdedert wrote: >Dave Stadt wrote: >> "Bill Turner" wrote in message >> news:4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net... >>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >>> >>> Absolutely, I get it. >>> >>> You and the two or three posters who agree with you are self-centered >>> pigs who care nothing about preserving history. Your temporary >>> adrenaline rush is much more important, and the risk of splattering a >>> priceless aircraft means nothing beside your momentary thrills. How sad >>> that people like you are allowed to own such an aircraft. >>> >>> A hundred or five hundred years from now, if your ilk prevails, people >>> will be saying "Gosh, I wish someone had kept a B-17G preserved >>> somewhere. I would have really loved to see the real thing". >>> >>> I hope and pray there are not many like you. >>> >>> Bill T. >> >> There are millions of us. >> >And he's heard from 'many like...' here. > >The word 'obtuse' comes to mind. As does the word 'troll'. Chris. -- "People in general are not fundamentally stupid." "Cite?" Robin Munn & Simon Cozens in the scary devil monastery Article: 102008 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: chris+news@suslowicz.org (Chris Suslowicz) Subject: Re: Pin-style headphones for S-38 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:43:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4422F575.1030705@adelphia.net> In article , K3HVG wrote: >They're right!!! I'm sitting here looking at a Trimm headset with the >frizzy wires and a big old Philmore phone plug... Actually, I have, in >the past, been able to "sort of" tin that type wire.. it burns off the >fabric content part. Only problem, its very delicate after all that. HI!!! It's called 'Tinselflex' in .UK, I think, and yes: it's loathesome stuff. I think the original (pre-crimp) termination method was to bind it to a piece of tinned copper wire for a length of about 3/4", form the bound-in portion into a loop to fit the screw, then bind the free to the main part to close the loop and apply an insulating and colour coded whipping of silk thread to stop it coming undone. I've been known to roll it in copper foil, ram that into a crimp tah and then squeeze as hard as possible. It usually works unless you need a very small tag.... Chris. (At some point I've got to do 4 ends the old-fashioned way, to repair a WS-18 Morse Key - someone chopped the loops off because they only needed the key jack and not the Tx/Rx connector. I'm not looking forward to this.) -- 'Did you know that a cow was *MURDERED* to make that jacket?' 'Yes. I didn't think there were any witnesses, so I guess I'll have to kill you too.' -Jake Johansen Article: 102009 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: Pin-style headphones for S-38 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:07:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1226ai6ru3r6gbe@corp.supernews.com> References: <4422F575.1030705@adelphia.net> Rob Mills wrote: > > stuff requires crimp connectors. Trying to convert from one type of > connector to another is a nightmare! <<< > > > That's putting it mildly, never could get all those wires in that tip much > less get them to stay. RM~ The trick is to "whip" or wrap the ends of the tinsel wire with a small gauge solid wire. Thats not particularly easy either but it works and is neat. Working a couple inches back from the end helps a lot - then cut off the excess. -Bill Article: 102010 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Edward Knobloch Subject: Re: Mods References: Message-ID: <7yHUf.7263$092.1573@trndny04> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:01:55 GMT Hi, That Swan 240 modification is described on page 29 of the manual. It disables the BFO during receive, for improved reception of a.m. There also should be a switch section in the cathode of V12A, the product detector, with the addition of a 10K resistor and 2uF electrolytic there. 73, Ed Knobloch Arlon Nelson wrote: > Anyone out there have any mods for the Swan 240. I just got one and > there had been a small slide switch and a > resistor added to pin 9 of the 6U8 carrier osc. I'm wondering what this > mod is for. > > Nels W0TUP Article: 102011 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Jerry" References: <1143154708.927065.179980@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Good news if you ship via UPS and........ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:13:44 -0500 wrote in message news:1143154708.927065.179980@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Only if you use the UPS Store for the packing of the item. It seems > that if the UPS Store does the packing, they indicate it on the > shipping information that is supplied to UPS. That way, if there is a > claim filed for damaged goods, UPS already has documentation showing > that the packing job was done within their specifications. This will > surely allow for quicker claims processing and less hassle for the > shipper/receiver. They are reasonable with their packing rates too. I > have used them for over a year now and had things shipped as far away > as Australia with no problems so far. > rgds, > Mark S. UPS will lose or bust a CINDER BLOCK. I recieved an item today. Typical UPS, the package was ripped open and it's a wonder the material was inside or wasn't ruined/lost! I WON'T ship UPS. :( 73 Jerry Article: 102012 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Jim, KK1W" Subject: FA: XR IC's, old parts, Sprague caps, builders stuff & more! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:07:50 -0500 Hi, Just a few days left on some good stuff cheap! Low starting bids, no minimums, good feedback rating. A super chance to stock the parts bin and save space in the landfills for more deserving stuff. Take a look at these auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZkk1w2000. Lots of old and new parts, caps, resistors, pots, coils, meters, crystals and more. Low starting bids and good feedback rating. Thanks for looking, Jim, KK1W Article: 102013 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: bg998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Martin Potter) Subject: Re: Good news if you ship via UPS and........ Date: 24 Mar 2006 06:19:52 GMT Message-ID: References: <1143154708.927065.179980@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Roger D Johnson (n1rj~@adelphia.net) writes: > > I keep running across folks using the term "cinder block" when they > mean "concrete block". I vaguely remember cinder blocks and wonder > how many others have actually seen a real one. > As I recall, cinder blocks were black or very dark grey. And I don't think they were as strong as concrete blocks. ... Martin VE3OAT Article: 102014 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Terry" References: <4422F575.1030705@adelphia.net> <1226ai6ru3r6gbe@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Pin-style headphones for S-38 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:28:46 -0330 "- exray -" wrote in message news:1226ai6ru3r6gbe@corp.supernews.com... > Rob Mills wrote: > > >> >> stuff requires crimp connectors. Trying to convert from one type of >> connector to another is a nightmare! <<< >> >> >> That's putting it mildly, never could get all those wires in that tip >> much less get them to stay. RM~ > > The trick is to "whip" or wrap the ends of the tinsel wire with a small > gauge solid wire. Thats not particularly easy either but it works and is > neat. Working a couple inches back from the end helps a lot - then cut > off the excess. > > -Bill > What about impedance matching? Not familar with S-38 but my S-53 originally had a similar arrangement; namely pin jacks and a small slide switch to switch from speaker to head-phones. That's now converted to a plug in quarter inch jack at rear of my S-53; speaker disconnects when head-phones plugged in. But both speaker and phones use the same output winding of the audio output transformer in the plate of the S-53s 6K6 output tube.** So if the S-38 is similar it suggests that the audio output is 'low impedance'. If someone used high impedance phones one might expect poor audio quality? Not that high fidelity is normally a requirement when using headphones on a shortwave 'communications type" receiver! Or were those 'vintage' type phones that have been mentioned, in foregoing, low/medium impedance anyway? One reason I ask is that I have old German headphones in which, I think this is correct, each earpiece is 2000 ohms; total 4000, probably originally for a crystal set? I do know that you can hold one lead in hand and touch almost anything metal with the other lead and get electrical noise! Sensitive eh? Impedances: Plate = say 5000 ohms. Speaker = 4 ohms. Phones = 600 ohms. Therefore: 5000/ 4 = 1250 transformer turns ratio = sq root of 1250 = 35 5000/600 = 8.4 transformer turns ratio = sq root of 8.4 = 2.9 Article: 102015 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Bob Weiss Subject: Re: Where does tube base master list come from? References: <1143128205.220956.322320@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1143207882.691233.97120@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:26:28 GMT shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote: > K3HVG wrote: > >>The ARRL handbook, et al, merely mirror the information that has come >>out of the tube industry's long-running standards for tube bases. Your >>observation of the numbering system is pretty much correct. The final >>"authority" was probably the old RETMA manufacturing consortium that set >>the then-standards for tubes and many other electronic components. > > > That seems to be the case (although it seems to be EIA, not RETMA for > this.) > > That brings me back to clarifying my original question: > > What publication has the "official master list" of EIA tube base > diagrams? > > Googling around the net brought up some websites but they tend to be > LESS comprehensive than the ARRL list. (Although there are a couple of > databases like NJ7P's which have the wonderful feature of being able to > get a lit of all tubes with a given base, and there was one German > website that offered a similar feature although in a more graphical > (and maybe less useful!) form.) > > I think it's possible that the number-only bases in the ARRL tables > might not be EIA. > > Tim. > The coordinating body for tube basing diagrams was JEDEC (Joint Electron Device Engineering Council). I have a copy of their "Publication 2B--Basing Diagrams for Electron Tubes", which covers basing assignments >from "1A" to "21A", dated Sept. 1958. 46 pages worth of base drawings, and a listing of which types used each base. Updated by Lud Sibley in 2000, to include some additional background info. The referenced standard for these diagrams is given as "EIA RS-206". Bob Weiss N2IXK Article: 102016 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: ritchi50@optonline.net Subject: WTB: Collins R-390 spray paint Message-ID: <3h88221he3nh2rdi7rdgnnli1rr56hhj6s@4ax.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:46:39 -0500 WTB: Collins R-390 spray paint Hi Can someone tell me where I can buy Spray paint cans to match the front panel of the Collins R-390 Reciever? Any local stores carry a close match?? Also is it difficult to get the panel off? And any tips on redoing the front panel would be great. I painted kwm cabinets before, but never did a front panel. Thanks...Rich ritchi50@optonline.net ps: I see the lettering is etched in, so before I paint, do I try to etch out all the white thats etched in, so when its sprayed I then put in new white paint? Article: 102017 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Edward Zeranski Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:00:36 -0800 Message-ID: <442417A4.2070901@spawar.navy.mil> References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421a0fb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> > > "...It should be remembered that goods in transit receive very rough > handling, a free drop onto concrete from a height of 4' 6" is not > improbable, and packaging should as far as possible be made to meet > these conditions". UPS= Universal Package Smashers. I've had the best luck using the postal service for BoatAnchor shipping, second was Fedex. For the really big stuff Donzelli Transport works great. EdZ Article: 102018 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Edward Zeranski Subject: Re: Pin-style headphones for S-38 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: <44241D4D.5050708@spawar.navy.mil> References: <4422F575.1030705@adelphia.net> There are also some imported copies of the old military HS-16 up >> for auction from time to time. ..... Some 1/4 in plugs are designed to clamp the old pin connectors under screw heads. Jeep and the Group... The HS-16s work fine with the S38 and are usually pretty cheap. I bought several from Electronic Dimensions for $5ea. The 1/4" plugs used with tip pins are considerably larger than regular jacks. If you run across one of the large jacks unscrew the backshell and the tipjacks might be inside. Crimp pins from Canon MS series connectors work great on tinsel wire and the relay jacks on back Johnson gear too. EdZ Article: 102019 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Tom" Subject: FA: Ends Sunday -Heathkit HW-30 "Twoer" - Parts or restore Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:47:57 GMT Ending Mar-26-06 14:00:26 PST http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9701072743 73, es tnx for looking, NØJMY Article: 102020 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "julie" Subject: FA:Ends Sunday- Heathkit GC-1A Mohican Receiver - Parts or Restore Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:32:36 GMT Ending Mar-26-06 16:48:23 PST http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=9701122406&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT 73,es tnx for looking, NØJMY Article: 102021 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Message-ID: <44246676.41077813@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Good news if you ship via UPS and........ References: <1143154708.927065.179980@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:36:58 GMT Martin Potter wrote: > > Roger D Johnson (n1rj~@adelphia.net) writes: > > > > I keep running across folks using the term "cinder block" when they > > mean "concrete block". I vaguely remember cinder blocks and wonder > > how many others have actually seen a real one. > > > > As I recall, cinder blocks were black or very dark grey. And I don't > think they were as strong as concrete blocks. > > ... Martin VE3OAT They had a tendency to explode if you put too much weight on them. I put a half cinder block under a bumper jack to lift the corner of a '66 GTO and it threw shrapnel over 20 feet when it let go. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 102022 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: Message-ID: <44246a8e_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 24 Mar 2006 16:54:22 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: -=H=- wrote: > We will survive. Let's > just stop all of the arguing and whining. This isn't > the right forum for it. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Very interesting that the post asking to stop the arguing and whining is the longest post of all, by far. In a nutshell, that's the problem. Only your thoughts are important, only your desires are valid, what you want is primary above all. As long as folks like you own these priceless relics, someday the last one will be reduced to scrap. What a shame. Bill T. Article: 102023 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <442210a3_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <9464e$4422e127$42512bb4$1222@DIALUPUSA.NET> Message-ID: <44246c3e_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 24 Mar 2006 17:01:34 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: RST Engineering wrote: > Money talks, bullshit walks. > > Jim *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Not so pal, just the opposite. Bullshitters talk forever, money steps up and quietly does the job. Bill T. Article: 102024 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: WANTED: Museum seeks B-17G Flying Fortress radio/radar equipment References: <44201fc1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> <44219f62$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <4421fbdd_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> <442210a3_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: <44246e10$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: 24 Mar 2006 17:09:20 -0500 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Spokesman wrote: > Then don't complain about what other people are doing! *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** And the Head Up the Ass award goes to.... Spokesman, who complains about what other people are doing by telling them not to complain about what other people are doing. I'm sure the award went right over his head. Someone explain it to him, please. Bill T.