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Sat Jan 16 15:36:01 2010 -0600 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:35:56 GMT From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4309 Message-Id: <20100116213556.B6839266961@minime.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4309 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hank van Cleef? by HankVC 2) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by "David Stinson" 3) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by Rich Post 4) RE: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Comarow, Avery" 5) Czech receiver K12 by Heinz Breuer 6) Re: Czech receiver K12 by wf2u@ws19ops.com 7) Re: boatanchor packing by "Guido" 8) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by wb3fau@att.net 9) FOUR-11 by "Raymond Cote" 10) by "Raymond Cote" 11) Re: by john 12) RE: boatanchor unpacking hint by Jerry Proc 13) RE: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Lenox Carruth" 14) RE: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Singley, Rodger" 15) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by "David Stinson" 16) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by Nick England 17) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by Heinz Breuer 18) Re: by Roy Morgan 19) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Arden Allen" 20) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Allan Fritsche" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HankVC Message-Id: <201001151530.o0FFUYN8028104@julie.lostwells.net> Subject: Re: Hank van Cleef? To: Old Tube Radios Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:30:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: boatanchors@theporch.com (Old Tube Radios) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The esteemed Roy Morgan has said: > > Anchorites, > > I wonder if Hank van Cleef is on the list, or if anyone knows his > email or whereabouts cyberwise. > > Roy > When roll is call and everyone else says "here," I say "present." Yes, Roy, I'm still around. Haven't posted much here recently as I haven't been doing too much old-time radio, but have a cosmetically beautiful RME-69 with a thoroughly fried power transformer and need for a total electrical rebuild about to undergo major surgery. These days my ISP is lostwells.net under Lost Wells Butte in Wonderful Windy Wintry Wyoming. The ISP servers are sitting about two feet from me. Mail to either vancleef or hankvc at that address gets to me. Hank ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3C768B2FD6F0418B94B5E3678D15FB1C@boudreaux> From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:00:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Comarow, Avery" >What about this approach? Admirable way to pack, but too expensive for us po'folks. I like my way- it's recycling, nearly free and "green." 73 D.S. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20100115151740.0626c7c0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:37:38 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: Rich Post Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I use egg cartons both the foam type and the paper mache variety mostly for crushable padding between the inner box and outer. Tough and will take some King Kong hits. I mostly ship old audio components I have restored but don't have room to keep. If transformers are exposed, I ship the item up side down so the heavy transformers can beat up the inside box and egg cartons rather than the chassis. No shipping damage as yet. I re-use foam peanuts also but put them in smaller plastic bags first, with some give, so they don't fly all over and will stay in place in the box as bumpers. This has the most active thread in quite some time on this relatively quiet list. Rich KB8TAD ------------------------------ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:58:37 -0500 Message-ID: <5DB55C95EDBFFA4383CE672594D7E0D20563CD35@EXCHANGE.usn.root.ent> From: "Comarow, Avery" To: Old Tube Radios Blame Nick. He started it with his newfangled notion of getting rid of peanut crumbs with the sticky side of packaging tape. Avery W3AVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] On Behalf Of Rich Post Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:38 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint ...This has the most active thread in quite some time on this relatively quiet list. Rich KB8TAD ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B50E592.3020601@debitel.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:00:50 +0100 From: Heinz Breuer MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Old Tube Radios Subject: Czech receiver K12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Old Tube Radios Rich Post wrote: >...This has the most active thread in quite some time on this relatively > quiet list. Ok, here is another topic. On Sunday I will get my new K12 which is a Czech shortwave receiver made by Tesla in 1964. It has 17 tubes. I will put up some pictures once I have it. I wonder how it will compede with my other receivers from that area. Is there any other K12 in Boatanchor land? vy 73 de Heinz DH2FA, KM5VT ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20100115161052.ibb3fj5ek9vok0o8@webmail.opentransfer.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:10:52 -0600 From: wf2u@ws19ops.com To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Czech receiver K12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heinz, I think I know what it looks like, (is this the one with a big slide-rule type dial?) but I don't have one of those. I have the Czech military R4 receiver, which is the matching receiver for the RS-41 transmitter, which I also have and use regularly. Can't wait for the photos and the report on the performance. Have fun! 73, Meir WF2U Quoting Heinz Breuer : > Rich Post wrote: >> ...This has the most active thread in quite some time on this relatively >> quiet list. > > > Ok, here is another topic. > > On Sunday I will get my new K12 which is a Czech shortwave receiver > made by Tesla in 1964. It has 17 tubes. I will put up some pictures > once I have it. > I wonder how it will compede with my other receivers from that area. > > Is there any other K12 in Boatanchor land? > > vy 73 de Heinz DH2FA, KM5VT ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101ca9639$0476fe90$4000000a@CPQ10443900021> From: "Guido" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor packing Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:18:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All the BAs that I ever ordered from Fair since 76 came packed tighly in newspaper. Never had any problems and those packages crossed the pond. 73s Guido Santacana KP4FAR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Comarow, Avery" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: RE: boatanchor packing I cast no aspersions on anyone who is comfortable with wadded newspaper, and Fair Radio had had more experience shipping big iron than almost anybody else. To me, the thought of shipping a nice SP-600 that way makes me shudder. Avery W3AVE Potomac, Md. ------------------------------ From: wb3fau@att.net To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Arden Allen" Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:47:07 +0000 Message-Id: <011620100247.19751.4B5128AB000DCA0A00004D2722218801869B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E00CC0D99@att.net> I must add my "Amen" to balled up newspaper. [Worked a lot better than i would have thought]. I took delivery of a package from Fair Radio, in December. One item of noting- a power supply for a R390A, 35 LBS., came thru in good condition, no dents. All packed in balled up newspaper. This came by UPS. There have been times where they [UPS] have done lots of damage and lots of complaints. Russ. ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Raymond Cote" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: FOUR-11 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:11:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9651.3F927280" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9651.3F927280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Gang, I have come across a Hammarlund FOUR-11 Modulator but it has a = meter on it. A picture I found on the web does not have a meter. So I = am wondering, were there some with meters and some without? It looks = factory made, with holes in the inner chassis with a grommet and all. Just thinkin' I have ordered a manual so I will trace it out. Anyone?? Ray in Hawaii ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9651.3F927280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9651.3F927280-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Raymond Cote" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:32:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9654.262BE2B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9654.262BE2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok another question. The past couple years I have been purchasing = manuals on occasion. I thought I'd try BAMA again as I have never, = repeat never been able to connect. What is the trick? I notice = occasionally some of you comment that you downloaded a manual from BAMA. = I use Firefox and IE as browsers. Thanks for your comments Ray ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9654.262BE2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9654.262BE2B0-- ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20100116075322.02600830@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:54:49 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Ray The trick I use, is to go to the Bama mirror site (http://bama.edebris.com). With Firefox as implemented on my PC it's just point and click. John K5MO At 07:32 AM 1/16/2010, Raymond Cote wrote: >Ok another question. The past couple years I have been purchasing manuals >on occasion. I thought I'd try BAMA again as I have never, repeat never >been able to connect. What is the trick? I notice occasionally some of >you comment that you downloaded a manual from BAMA. I use Firefox and IE >as browsers. > >Thanks for your comments > >Ray ------------------------------ Message-ID: <311083.28833.qm@web112317.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Proc Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Everyone, A long time ago I read about companies that experimented with dry popped popcorn as a substiture for the styrofoam beads. At the receiveing end, the popcorn would simply be dumped outside the buiding and the birds would eat it. I'm not sure if that idea ever caught on but there are two problems I can foresee with that system. One is the package being attacked by rodents when its in a warehouse. Secondly, not sure how much pounding the popcorn can take before it breaks into smaller pieces and becaomes an ineffective absorber of shock. -- Regards, Jerry Proc E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Comarow, Avery wrote: > From: Comarow, Avery > Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint > To: "Old Tube Radios" > Received: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:58 PM > Blame Nick. He started it with his > newfangled notion of getting rid of > peanut crumbs with the sticky side of packaging tape. > > Avery W3AVE > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com > [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] > On Behalf Of Rich Post > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:38 PM > To: Old Tube Radios > Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint > > ...This has the most active thread in quite some time on > this relatively > quiet list. > > Rich KB8TAD > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ ------------------------------ From: "Lenox Carruth" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:18:43 -0600 Message-ID: <004801ca96bf$30f08730$92d19590$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-us Not to mention that we would have an epidemic of obese birds followed by a government program mandating the caloric content of anything that birds ate and personal trainers for all birds that didn't have "Cadillac" health plans. -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Proc Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:06 AM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint Hello Everyone, A long time ago I read about companies that experimented with dry popped popcorn as a substiture for the styrofoam beads. At the receiveing end, the popcorn would simply be dumped outside the buiding and the birds would eat it. I'm not sure if that idea ever caught on but there are two problems I can foresee with that system. One is the package being attacked by rodents when its in a warehouse. Secondly, not sure how much pounding the popcorn can take before it breaks into smaller pieces and becaomes an ineffective absorber of shock. -- Regards, Jerry Proc E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:21:22 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Singley, Rodger" To: Old Tube Radios Jerry, The third problem I read about and probably the major reason for = dropping this was potential liability. Companies were concerned that = recipients would be tempted to snack on the popcorn which certainly had = not been shipped in food safe conditions. To your south, liability = concerns have killed a lot of otherwise great ideas. On a similar note, one of the stand up comics had a great routine on the = little packs of silica gel included with electronic gear and the need to = include multiple warnings not to eat it. His routine was based upon the = dumb consumer whose thought was, "wow! not only did I get a new home = theater system but several pieces of gum to chew on while I hook it up". = He had a great routine but you had to wonder whether it was based = somewhat in fact. Rodger WQ9E -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com on behalf of Jerry Proc Sent: Sat 1/16/2010 9:05 AM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint =20 Hello Everyone, A long time ago I read about companies that experimented with dry popped = popcorn as a substiture for the styrofoam beads. At the receiveing end, = the popcorn would simply be dumped outside the buiding and the birds = would eat it. I'm not sure if that idea ever caught on but there are two problems I = can foresee with that system. One is the package being attacked by = rodents when its in a warehouse. Secondly, not sure how much pounding = the popcorn can take before it breaks into smaller pieces and becaomes = an ineffective absorber of shock.=20 =20 -- Regards, Jerry Proc E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Comarow, Avery wrote: > From: Comarow, Avery > Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint > To: "Old Tube Radios" > Received: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:58 PM > Blame Nick. He started it with his > newfangled notion of getting rid of > peanut crumbs with the sticky side of packaging tape. >=20 > Avery W3AVE >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com > [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] > On Behalf Of Rich Post > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:38 PM > To: Old Tube Radios > Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint >=20 > ...This has the most active thread in quite some time on > this relatively > quiet list. >=20 > Rich KB8TAD >=20 > >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new = Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:36:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While we're talking about that experiment with popcorn as packing material: There's still on the market, a cornstarch-derived packing "peanut." Looks good and "green;" you can feel all warm and squishy about using it. One big problem: these "peanuts" quickly absorb any moisture in the air and shrink.... a lot. I had an item packaged for about a week while waiting for an auction to close. It rained several days that week. When I got ready to ship it, it "rattled." I had to open and repack it since, despite it being inside a dry storage area, the "peanuts" had shrunk considerably. I guess they'd be OK for items you ship "right now," and during dry weather, but I wouldn't recommend it in wetter areas, or for things that are going to be many days in transit. ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint From: Nick England To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Old Tube Radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're right - the real popcorn crumbles too much - I was on the receiving end of an experiment once..... cheers, Nick K4NYW On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Jerry Proc wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > A long time ago I read about companies that experimented with dry popped = popcorn as a substiture for the styrofoam beads. At the receiveing end, the= popcorn would simply be dumped outside the buiding and the birds would eat= it. > > =A0I'm not sure if that idea ever caught on but there are two problems I = can foresee with that system. One is the package being attacked by rodents = when its in a warehouse. Secondly, not sure how much pounding the popcorn c= an take before it breaks into smaller pieces and becaomes an ineffective ab= sorber of shock. > > > > -- > Regards, > Jerry Proc > E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com > ------------------------------ From: Heinz Breuer To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Message-Id: <0B767C3C-42DF-4A21-8C38-21FEEF95DFF9@debitel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7A341) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:59:27 +0100 Cc: Old Tube Radios The recyclable peanuts taste awfull and even my dog only ate them with Bolognese sauce and cheese. She is a Labrador and always hungry. It must be a genetic defect, a Labrador doesn't get a "full" warning from the stomach. And no I didn't endanger my dog, she only ate 2 peanuts and I tried it first. I survived and so did she. Vy 73 de Heinz DH2FA, KM5VT Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 16.01.2010 um 16:36 schrieb "David Stinson" : > While we're talking about that experiment with popcorn as packing > material: > There's still on the market, a cornstarch-derived packing "peanut." > Looks good and "green;" you can feel all warm and squishy > about using it. One big problem: these "peanuts" quickly absorb any > moisture in the air and shrink.... a lot. I had an item packaged for > about a week while waiting for an auction to close. It rained > several days that week. When I got ready to ship it, it "rattled." > I had to open and repack it since, despite it being inside a dry > storage area, > the "peanuts" had shrunk considerably. I guess they'd be OK for items > you ship "right now," and during dry weather, but I wouldn't > recommend it > in wetter areas, or for things that are going to be many days in > transit. > > ------------------------------ Cc: Old Tube Radios Message-Id: From: Roy Morgan To: Old Tube Radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:36:21 -0500 On Jan 16, 2010, at 7:54 AM, john wrote: > > Hi Ray > > The trick I use, is to go to the Bama mirror site (http://bama.edebris.com > ). The main BAMA site is reported to be down for fixing (the mirror site is up and tells us this.) I've used the mirror site exclusively for a long time. Ray, if you don't find manuals you want there just ask on the list.. some of us have had a habit of collecting manuals of interest for a long time from who knows where. Roy Roy Morgan k1lky@earthlink.net 529 Cobb St. Groton NY, 13073 Home: 607-898-3607 Cell: 301-928-7794 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004501ca96e7$380e1820$6c9d480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:43:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess ethanol and dog food saved the corn lobby. Otherwise we'd be getting commercials every ten minutes telling us how popped corn is approved by all shippers and couldn't be greener.... Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Allan Fritsche" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:35:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave and group. I found your corn starch comment interesting. Effective Feb 1st here in Houston, all lawn clippings and leaves must be placed in biodegradable bags for curb pickup. While I don't have a problem with that, The bags approved by the City of Houston are made mostly from cornstarch and will decompose in about five weeks. Not only do they cost about a buck a bag, you now have to keep them dry until garbage day. This is not a trival matter in Houston. Jack, sorry for being way, way off topic. Houston Al W5ADF ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Stinson" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:36 AM Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint > While we're talking about that experiment with popcorn as packing > material: > There's still on the market, a cornstarch-derived packing "peanut." > Looks good and "green;" you can feel all warm and squishy > about using it. One big problem: these "peanuts" quickly absorb any > moisture in the air and shrink.... a lot. I had an item packaged for > about a week while waiting for an auction to close. It rained > several days that week. When I got ready to ship it, it "rattled." > I had to open and repack it since, despite it being inside a dry storage > area, > the "peanuts" had shrunk considerably. I guess they'd be OK for items > you ship "right now," and during dry weather, but I wouldn't recommend it > in wetter areas, or for things that are going to be many days in transit. > ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4309 ******************************