From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Jan 3 12:46:57 2003 Return-Path: <> Delivered-To: adamf@ibiblio.org Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by mail.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7DF24AE17 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03GhO41010284 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:46:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200301031746.h03GhO41010284@listserv.albany.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:46:54 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8d)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0111B" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Content-Length: 50016 Lines: 1082 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:01:21 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Beekeeping Merit Badge reinstatement In-Reply-To: <200111070501.fA751mY04287@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Bill, I am overjoyed to learn this information. I am an Assistant Scout Master, merit badge counselor and a beekeeper. I did a search on the BSA site: http://www.scouting.org/sitemap.html keyword "Beekeeping Merit Badge" and found one reference to the number of Beekeeping Merit Badge earned between 1911 and 1996 but no reference to it being listed as an official merit badge. Also, the Beekeeping Merit Badge is not listed at this site: http://www.meritbadge.com. So I have sent the web master the URL you posted with the reinstatement information. Thanks for the update. Paul Cronshaw DC ASM Troop 33, Santa Barbara CA Hobbyist Beekeeper > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:51:32 -0500 >From: Bill Truesdell >Subject: Re: Boy Scout Merit Badge Update? > >The BSA website still has it as an active merit badge, > >http://www.scouting.org/nav/about.html > >Also, from the NHB website > >http://www.nhb.org/articles/beebadge.html > >Quote >Thanks to that effort and the hours of work by many others and the >receipt of many calls and letters from concerned beekeepers who began as >Boy Scouts, Mr. John Dalrymple, Advancement Director, Boy Scouts of >America stated that the national review committee >had reconsidered this badge and that on February 9, 1999 had decided to >reinstate the merit badge. >Unquote > >So it seems it is still active as a merit badge. > >Bill Truesdell >Bath, ME > >------------------------------ > >End of BEE-L Digest - 5 Nov 2001 to 6 Nov 2001 (#2001-302) >********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:44:37 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Les Roberts Subject: Boy Scout Merit Badge Update In-Reply-To: <200111070501.fA751mY04287@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I, too, have been told it's been reinstated recently. After a bee talk locally, a member of the audience spoke to me about helping some scouts earn this badge. I'd like to know what the requirements of the badge are. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:15:49 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Requirements for Boy Scout Merit Badge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Taken from http://www.nhb.org/articles/beebadge.html "The requirements for obtaining the badge are: 1) Study a hive of bees. Remove the combs. Find the queen. Figure the amount of the brood and the number of queen cells. Figure the amount of honey in the hive. 2) Show the difference among the drones, workers, eggs, larvae, and pupae at different stages. Tell the differences among honey, wax, pollen and propolis. Tell how bees make honey. Tell where wax comes from. Explain the part played in the life of the hive by the queen, the drones, and the workers. 3) Hive a swarm or divide at least one colony. Explain how a hive is made. 4) Put foundations in sections or frames. Fill supers with frames or sections. Take off filled supers from the hive. Fix the honey for market. 5) Write in not more than 200 words how and why the honeybee is used in pollinating farm crops. Name five crops in your area pollinated by honeybees. We all need to find opportunities to educate the public about these beneficial insects - on an individual basis and as you can see, there are many opportunities for interested beekeepers to become involved with a local troop in your area. Scouts eligible to earn this badge are typically boys between the ages of 11 and 18 years. You can contact your local area Boy Scout Council and let them know that you are interested in helping scouts earn the Beekeeping Merit Badge. Hopefully, this move will allow many more boys exposure to the fascinating world of beekeeping. Letters of support and appreciation for this decision or comments and suggestions can be sent to John Dalrymple, Director of Advancement, P.O. Box 152079, Irving, Tx. 75015-2079. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:21:00 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: grumpy7 Subject: Re: Requirements for Boy Scout Merit Badge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bet there's a lot of beekeepers (me too, maybe) who'd have trouble earning that Merit Badge. Walter Weller ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:59:39 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Simoneau_Andr=E9?= Subject: melittobia digitata MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Perhaps someone could help us in the following: A breeder of Melittobia digitata (Wowbug) faces high mortality in the wasp. A laboratory isolated "some kind of parasite" in the hemolymph abd abdomen. Anybody has a clue on the identification of that parasite?? André Simoneau, d.v.m. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:20:40 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Howard Kogan Subject: Long Hives Because of back injuries I am thinking about using longer hives that could be worked like a top bar hive. I would use regular medium size frames and foundation. I am not that concerned with maximum production but will it work? Could a single story extended super with 20 instead of the usual 10 frames work? Could bees overwinter in it? Anyone have experience with this type of hive? Would one race of bee work better than another in this system? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:44:21 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Fwd: Re: Beekeeping Merit Badge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >A reply to an email regarding the status on the Beekeeping Merit Badge. This is FYI. Paul Cronshaw DC ASM Troop 33, Santa Barbara, CA Hobbyist Beekeeper > >Hi Paul, > >Thanks for stopping by. The BSA, like many bureaucracies, >doesn't always complete tasks started in a timely manner. >Even though I am not an official of the Boy Scouts of America, >I can tell you with total assurance that Beekeeping merit >badge has not been reimplemented nationally at this point in >time. Maybe it will be brought back out with the new badges >which will be issued this coming January. Only time will tell. > >YIS, > >Dr Michael Kauffmann, DCS mailto:optimist@meritbadge.com >Merit Badge Research Center http://www.meritbadge.com/ >I used to be a Bobwhite... And a good 'ol Staffer, too... >| <--\/\/-\/\/-\/\/--< | Carroll/Haralson Camping Chair > >If you'd like to be notified about significant changes in the >Boy Scouts of America Advancement program or the services >offered by MeritBadge.com, please join our new mailing list: > > http://www.meritbadge.com/mailbag.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:09:31 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Why science is slow to accept new ideas Comments: cc: phwells@earthlink.net, barry@birkey.com, HPSST-L@post.queensu.ca, ggreenberg@kscable.com, scheftj@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On the 6th, James Fischer wrote (on BEE-L, in small part, about the historian and philosoher, Thomas Kuhn), as follows: >As an aside, the MIT article referenced: > www.technologyreview.com/magazine/nov01/insight.asp > >is just one of thousands of refutations of Thomas Kuhn, who >coined the make-me-gag phrase "paradigm shift". Kuhn was >completely discredited in the 1960s, when he published his >book, "The Structure Of Scientific Revolutions". ********* Actually, in the early 1960s Thomas Kuhn's 1962 book helped my co-workers and myself understand how scientists could become so committed to dogma that they would not consider solid evidence counter to their beliefs. Fischer's remarks (e.g., Kuhn being "completely discredited") steered me to our campus (UCSB) bookstore, where I picked up the first relevant book on the appropriate shelf: (INTRODUCTION TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE: Cutting Nature at its Seams. Oxford Univ. Press, 1997). That book was written by Robert Klee, Professor of Philosophy and Chair of the Dept. of Philosophy and Religion at Ithaca College; he is also editor of SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY: READINGS IN THE PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE. In that book Klee devotes chapter 7 (pages 129-155, "The Revenge of Historicism") to Kuhn's impact on science and in the philosophy of science. Klee wrote: "One purpose of this chapter is to attempt to rectify the enormous distortion of Kuhn's view that has slowly grown all too familiar during the ensuing four decades since the publication of his masterpiece." Clearly, we have a discrepancy here between Fischer's comments and Klee's endorsement of Kuhn. The 36 pages in Klee's chapter provide a pretty good and clear notion of what the fuss is all about, but I am quite certain that BEE-L subscribers would not want to wade through all the intricacies of what might be no more than a conflict between how scientists believe they work and the view of philophers about that process. Actually, attacks on Kuhn have become somewhat of a moot point with the discovery that most of his most cogent statements perhaps originated with Ludwik Fleck, an esteemed Polish doctor and (at the time) the world's authority on syphilis and typhoid. Kuhn had read Fleck's 1935 book (GENESIS AND DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENTIFIC FACT) before he wrote his book, the one that eventually became a "classic" in the fields of sociology, psychology, philosophy, etc. Fortunately, two sociologists translated Fleck's book into English and had it published in 1979 by the University of Chicago Press. Anyone interested can order a copy of Fleck's book directly from that press [1-(800) 621-2736] for only about $15 (credit cards work). Pages 20-53 of that book are most relevant to the question of why science proceeds so slowly, but the remainder of the book is a treasure of description of science in action. (I found the Biographical Sketch of Fleck at the end of special interest.) As indicated on the BEE-L list on the 5th, I covered some of this type of material in an invited review paper, as follows: 1997 Wenner, A.M. The role of controversy in animal behavior. Pages 3-37 in Greenberg, C. and E. Tobach (eds). Comparative Psychology of Invertebrates:The Field and Laboratory Study of Insect Behavior. Garland Publishing, New York. A copy of that paper is now on its way to Barry Birkey, who indicated he would include it (perhaps as Item #31) in the following Point of View: http://www.beesource.com/pov/wenner/index.htm Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 963-8508 (home phone) 967 Garcia Road (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 [http://www.beesource.com/pov/wenner/index.htm] ******************************************************************** * * "However broad-minded one may be, he is always to some extent * the slave of his education and of his past." * * Emile Duclaux (1896; 1920 translation) * ******************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:53:27 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Layne Westover Subject: Re: Long Hives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>> holi@LOCALNET.COM 11/03/01 04:20PM >>> Because of back injuries I am thinking about using longer hives ....... .........................................................Anyone have experience with this type of hive? Would one race of bee work better than another in this system?<<< I can make an observation on this based on an experience I had with one of my top bar hives. Some races of bees seem to have a more compact brood nest limited to several frames/top bars, and making only honey comb on top bars/frames outside this area, but the Carniolans I had in one top bar hive one year raised brood along several inches of the bottom edge of each and every comb in the entire hive (15-20 top bars). As a result I was able to harvest very little honey from that hive without being destructive to the brood. After thinking about this situation, I decided that they would have been ideal in a vertical hive since they would probably keep their brood nest only in the bottom and put honey stores up top. So from my limited experience, I would suggest that Italians would probably be a better choice for a long hive than Carniolans. At least that was my experience here in central Texas. The Carniolan queen in this case was from a California breeder. I have not kept Carniolans since then. Layne Westover, College Station, Texas, U.S.A. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:29:01 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Scot Mc Pherson Subject: Re: Long Hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My observations regarding top bar hives are favourable. It seems to me easier to control pests and diseases since one can simply cut away the comb and give them new foundation very readily. If the bees have a predisposition to cluster the brood in the center of the comb as suggested by the earlier respondant, one can simple keep replacing the last brood top bar with a honey top bar. Eventually the brood patterns will change. Another more permanant way to deal with this would be to build the hive narrower and longer than ordinary. Perhaps instead of a hive that is 19" wide and 12" deep, build a hive that is 14" inches wide and 10 " deep and add enough additional length to replace the missing comb. The clustering brood bees will be forced to use most of the brood comb for brood and pollen. TBHs are extremely versitile and you can design hives for any specification that seems necessary. I am a great advocate of the TBH and I find it ultimately much easier to handle and manage the hives. One of the important considerations is designing the hive to meet the requirement of the bees within your climate ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:57:19 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Howard Kogan Subject: Orange Pollen? In the past week I noticed the few flying bees from one of my hives were bringing in what seemed like bright orange pollen. Now its been cold here (we have had many frosts in the Taconics of eastern New York State)and I cannot find a single plant still blooming. What could this orange pollen be? Any ideas? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:27:46 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "From the Gussow's of Tucson,Arizona - Don't worry it's a dry heat!" Subject: Re: Kosher honey In-Reply-To: <200111071226.fA7CQOY10018@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit By a message sent by: Lloyd Spear [LLOYDSPEAR@MSN.COM] "2. Kosher Honey must be so "anointed" by a Rabbi." Reply: Sorry I don't think so unless you are sitting down to eat a meal with Honey and any other thing that is just as Kosher and that would be "Grace" before the meal. How ever Mr. Spear is in the "Cat Bird Seat" as his wonderful "Ross Rounds" are "Kosher" without any special inspection that I know. Virgin Material as designated as such can be "Parve". You just might look into that Lloyd for yourself. Since I posted my remarks, and not being a monitor, but for a clearer understanding and misunderstanding of my religion. It's not "Church" its "Synagogue" or "Synagog". Here is my source: "RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S COLLEGE DICTIONARY" 2000 Second Revised and Updated Random House Edition, April 2000 ISBN:0-375-42560-8" page 1327 right column forth definition from the bottom, "syn-a-gogue or syn-a-gog , n. 1. a Jewish house of worship, often having facilities for religious instruction or serving as a community center. 2. a congregation of Jews for the purpose of religious worship. 3. Rare the Jewish religion; Judaism. [ 1125-75:< LL sysagoga < Gk syngoge assembly, meeting = syn- SYN-+ agogè, n. use of fem. of agogós (adj.) gathering; see -AGOGUE] - syn'a·gog?i·cal ect..." Only to find that there is a site known as www. Dictionary.com that is an on site dictionary and translator. >From Dictionary.com: syn·a·gogue also syn·a·gog (sn-gg, -gôg) n. 1. A building or place of meeting for worship and religious instruction in the Jewish faith. 2. A congregation of Jews for the purpose of worship or religious study. 3. The Jewish religion as organized or typified in local congregations. [Middle English, from Old French sinagoge, from Late Latin synagga, from Greek sunagg, assembly, synagogue, from sunagein, to bring together : sun-, syn- + agein, to lead; see ag- in Indo-European Roots.] syna·gogi·cal (-gj-kl) or syna·gogal (-ggl, -gôg-) adj. This e-mail has taken me three days to get it altogether along with other things that I have to do for myself. But for the sake of all I will continue. The synagogue movement is older than the rabbinical one as it was formed after the disturction of the first Temple the Jewish people were in total banishment to persha ,Now Iran, and under restrictions. See the book of Ester. Honey in the Middle East has always been a sign of wealth and abundance. Uncertified honey is kosher only if you don't play games like adding things to it or over filtering it. The real problem is just what is allowed for processing for the grocery shelves I do not know or care to know but they do get some sort of certification anyway. The whole history of food purity is that is adulterated olive oil was being passed as Kosher. But that's another story. The story about the apples and honey is a custom for Rosh Hashanah which marks the beginning of the New Year. It is a representation of a wish for a full (round) year, Apple, and sweet year, Honey. Some people send apples and honey to their friends and relatives at that time of the year. (August through September but dependant upon the Hebrew Calendar.) From Dictionary.com: ko·sher (kshr) also ka·sher (kä-) adj. 1. Judaism. a. Conforming to dietary laws; ritually pure: kosher meat. b. Selling or serving food prepared in accordance with dietary laws: a kosher restaurant. 2. Slang. a. Legitimate; permissible: "consolidating noneditorial functions of the papers, which is kosher" (Christian Science Monitor). b. Genuine; authentic. tr.v. ko·shered, ko·sher·ing, ko·shers To make proper or ritually pure. [Yiddish kosher, from Ashkenazi Hebrew kóer, from Hebrew kr, fitting, proper, from kr, to be fitting, to succeed. See kr in Semitic Roots.] ka·sher (käshr) adj. & v. Variant of kosher. While I did use the kashrut in one of my messages I think you will understand via dictonar.com : kash·rut also kash·ruth (käshrth, -rs, käsh-rt) n. 1. The state of being kosher. 2. The body of Jewish dietary law. [Mishnaic Hebrew karût, from kr, fitting. See kosher.] Here the second definition is appropriate as it is continuing to be written or changes made when certain machinery is used or chemicals are added to one reason or another. Most of this would be easy to understand but its all upon the authority who work in Hebrew to begin with. It's difficult to understand sometimes to understand until you only can guess what is being said or when they answer those questions on food in question. As confusing this subject is I hope that I have given you some insight? Respectfully Submitted Harvey Gussow ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:12:33 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Dan McFeeley Subject: Much Ado About Kuhn (was Why science is slow to accept new ideas) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I lost track of how the thread on Kuhn started, but the original intent seems to have been to point out that acceptance of new ideas, on Bee-L and elsewhere, can be for a number of reasons and at times related to Thomas Kuhn's idea of paradigms. Even some 40 years after the first edition of _The Structure of Scientific Revolutions_ was published, it remains a controversial theory. Essentially Kuhn wanted to point out that there is an academic inertia of sorts that resides in all aspects of a particular disciplinary community. In other words, Kuhn is saying that knowledge is not advanced or delayed solely through the efforts of individuals; there is a *social* dimension to knowledge that is lodged in every facet of what helps define a particular disciplinary community on a social level. Kuhn sometimes refered to a paradigm as "the entire constellation of beliefs, values, techniques, and so on shared by the members of a given community" (Kuhn, 1970, p. 175). To put it in even simpler terms, when a particular community has a shared commitment to a theory, idea, technique, and so on, the shared commitment is what Kuhn (loosely) would refer to as a paradigm. That's not hard to accept, and neither is recognizing the bias that often goes along with shared commitments hard to accept either. Where Kuhn gets a little too esoteric for some intellectual palates are the ways in which he wants to sketch out more specifically what a paradigm might be beyond this basic common sense notion. That's when he starts talking about gestalt switches, exemplars, 'normal' science, disciplinary matrixes, dragging Michael Polanyi's epistemology into the picture, and so on. As long as readers keep their feet grounded in the idea that what Kuhn is talking about is the everyday sense of how a given community, *as a whole*, thinks and accepts new ideas, then everyone will be ok. That basic commonsense notion is what makes the concept of paradigms, not the Wylie Coyote of philosophical science that keeps getting bashed, but the roadrunner that keeps coming back. Kuhn has had his critics, and rightfully so. There are many problems with how he presents his ideas and in the material he uses. The history he presents in support of normal science v/s paradigms shifts doesn't quite mesh with the actual history of scientific ideas and yes, as the writer in Technology Review pointed out, ideas are sometimes rapidly accepted in the scientific community. Maybe one of the more well known slapshots was by Margaret Mastermann, who counted something like 28 different uses of the word paradigm in _The Structure of Scientific Revolutions_ and then grouped them into three categories. It's important, however, to keep in mind that Kuhn's ideas on paradigms are a macro theory that operates on a global scale. That makes it difficult to either prove or refute in the kind of terms that make sociologists happy. There are simply too too many variables in the theory, and it covers far too wide a scale to be applied to the scrutiny of scientific inquiry and verification. That's probably one of the more important points -- Kuhn's ideas were not fully accepted, and couldn't be accepted simply because the idea of paradigms are a macro theory. Paradigms as Kuhn described them were never given recognition as being "factual," i.e., accorded the same status as the ideas and principles of social cognition studies. That's not where the primary value of Kuhn's contributions lies, however. Kuhn effectively punctured the myth of the lone scientist working laboring to advance the cause of human knowledge with his book. Albert Einstein scribbling notes during his tenure at a Swiss patent office comes closest to the myth but even he wasn't alone. Poincare was close to completing his own theory of relativity -- Einstein only beat him to the punch. Kuhn's ideas attracted the attention of the philosophical and scientific community and even appeared in texts on sociological theory. The discussion that ensued focused more attention on how scientific ideas are generated and advanced within a community and that, not Kuhn's theories themselves, are his chief contribution. For example, Peter Berger's book _The Sociology of Knowledge_, another macro theory, appeared at about the same time as Kuhn's _Structure of Scientific Revolutions_ but didn't attract nearly the same attention. That's my two cents -- apologies if this was too lengthy or pendantic. Back to lurking, reading Bee-Threads and making mead! :-) <><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Dan McFeeley mcfeeley@keynet.net "You learn something old every day." Mr. McFeeley, Mr. Rogers Neighborhood ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:04:43 -0500 Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: michael palmer Subject: skunk smell Comments: To: irishbeekeeping@yahoogroups.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may not have much to do with bees, unless you or your dog has gotten sprayed by a skunk while in a bee yard. Our dog got sprayed at EAS this past August. Even with the traditional tomato juice bath, the dog still smelled of skunk for almost two months. The other day, she got sprayed again outside the honey house (slow learner). This time, we tried a different home remedy. 16 oz. hydrogen peroxide 1/4 cup baking soda 1 tsp. dish soap The smell was instantly gone, and didn't come back even when dog's coat got wet. Mike ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:36:07 -0500 Reply-To: Alan.Fiala@aya.yale.edu Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: ADFiala Subject: Working Bees? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine pointed me to the web site below. It's somewhat confusing, but with some browsing one finds some interesting aspects of "working" bees. Has anyone on the list had personal participation in this project? Alan Fiala http://TENT.appliedphysics.swri.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:31:30 +0100 Reply-To: man@mbox301.swipnet.se Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Mats Andersson Subject: Top or bottom supering? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there all you beekeepers. I have a new topic for you guys. This is something that i've been trying to figure out since i became a beekeeper: Let's say your hives have a brood chamber of two boxes. When the spring nectar flow starts, you put on a super. When the bees have filled the first super partially, it's time for the second super. Here comes my question: do you put the second super on top of the first one or under it? I have asked many experienced beekeepers about this. It seems that the more colonies you have, the more likely you are to be in favor of putting the second super on top. This makes sense if you think about lifting off a hundred half filled supers to put a new one under it. Most books, however, say always put the second super under the first, because bees always store honey as far up in the hive as they can. The books usually also say that if you do it the other way around, the bees will think that they're congested and they will swarm because of this. A professional beekeeper i talked to last summer said the bees are smart enough to figure out that there's more room in the new box on top. I did some very unscientific tests myself and really couldn't tell the difference. So what do you guys say? Does it matter how you do it? Would the rule differ if the supers don't have drawn comb? /Mats Andersson, Stockholm Sweden ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:35:49 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: J J Harrier Subject: Re: Top or bottom supering? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've found they are sometimes reluctant to start using the second super if it is on top, and instead will fill in all the corners in the brood frames. This can cramp the Queen's laying space, and so could encourage swarming. Sometimes they have been so reluctant to even walk into a super, first or second, that we have actually put it below the brood box for a while so they *have* to walk through it to get home to bed. Eventually they get the message. Why this is, I haven't the faintest. J. J. > Here comes my question: do > you put the second super on top of the first one or under it? > I did some very > unscientific tests myself and really couldn't tell the difference. > > /Mats Andersson, Stockholm Sweden ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:53:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: James Fischer Subject: The US Post Office, Anthrax, Irradiation, and Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On this web page: http://www.usps.com/news/2001/press/pr01_1024safety.htm The USA's postal service says that they will start using irradiation, rumored to be the "electron beam" systems made by San Diego- based SureBeam to kill any possible anthrax bacteria in the mails. The USPS is said to have bought eight of these machines. No idea where they will be installed. Here's SureBeam's website: http://www.surebeam.com/ SureBeam's FAQ spews out doublespeak like this: "Isn't SureBeam? irradiation? SureBeam? electronic pasteurization is an environmentally friendly form of irradiation that uses ordinary everyday electricity to kill dangerous food borne pathogens without the use of radioactive materials." In other words, "Yes, it is irradiation". The process will certainly kill bacteria, but will also kill seeds, bulbs, live plants, and any other living things, including bees. Given that the USPS is subcontracting bee delivery to third parties, this may be a non-issue for the specific case of bees, but even the champagne yeast used to make mead will be killed if run through this toy, or any similar toy that is capable of killing anthrax. I wonder if anyone at the seed companies knows the implications of the phrases "irradiation" and "electron-beam"... jim farmageddon (where we shove electrons out the pipe, and they turn into marks on your screen like this one here => * ) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:06:45 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Top and Bottom supering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talking about top vs.. Bottom supering, Mats asks "So what do you guys sa= y? Does it matter how you do it? Would the rule differ if the supers don'= t have drawn comb?" A study published last year in American Beekeeping Journal concluded that= while bottom supering appeared to increase yields by approximately 10%, = the increase in production was not sufficient to offset the added labor. = However, many old-timers would have you believe that the increase in prod= uction would be far higher than 10%. Yes, the rule should be different with foundation compared to drawn comb.= Foundation should always be drawn just over the brood nest, as that is t= he location the bees seem to prefer to draw nice uniform combs. Hope this helps, =20 Lloyd email to LloydSpear@msn.com www.rossrounds.com Lloyd Spear, Owner of Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturer of round comb honey equipment and Sundance pollen traps ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:59:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Pollen collection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howard wonders about bright-orange pollen collection in Eastern NYS, afte= r several hard frosts. I live near Howard, near Albany, New York. My bees are also collecting b= right-orange pollen and I believe it is from Aster, which is still bloomi= ng, as it withstands temperatures down to about 20 degrees F, or -7 C. =20 Lloyd LloydSpear@msn.com www.rossrounds.com Lloyd Spear, Owner of Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturer of round comb honey equipment and Sundance pollen traps ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:22:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Stan Sandler Subject: Re: Orange Pollen? In-Reply-To: <200111100415.fAA4FCY22113@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > Now its been cold here >(we have had many frosts in the Taconics of eastern New York State)and I >cannot find a single plant still blooming. What could this orange pollen >be? Any ideas? Farther north yet in PEI I saw a few bees with pollen in one yard. Upon investigation I found that several dandelions had gotten their calendar screwed up and were flowering (and being worked). At a friend's place the other day he showed me some blueberry vines flowering , and some which had just set fruit. I picked a few raspberries the other day. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:04:11 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Beenetuk Host Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Subject: The National Honey Show 15th -17th November 2001 Dear International Beekeepers, The National Honey Show is a world class event, held each year in Kensington, London, England this week, 15th,16th,17th November 2001. Tickets available on the door. Next years National Honey Show dates are 14th - 16th November 2002. If you are unable to attend this year all is not lost! During the show we will be posting live messages and photographs over the whole 3 days. The website address is: http://www.honeyshow.co.uk Regards Steven Turner (London) .. When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:45:05 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Top or bottom supering? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mats Andersson asked, about supering: > ...do you put the second super on top of the first one or under it? > I did some very unscientific tests myself and really couldn't tell > the difference. Don't feel bad - the scientific tests found only a minimal advantage from adding supers under existing supers. Their data was very close to "couldn't tell the difference". I read at least a summary of their results in either Bee Culture or ABJ, I forget which. The bottom line of the study was "don't bother to do the extra lifting". BUT - There are a few things you can do to improve matters: Check out the "Imirie Shim", which is nothing more than a wooden assembly that looks like a (thinner) frame of an inner cover with an entrance or two cut into it. I don't know if there have been any official studies (George Imirie may know), but lots of people swear by them. The idea is to add upper entrance(s) that are above the brood chamber during a nectar flow. I use these, and I also have dual top entrances cut into the underside rims of my inner covers. While I use Imirie Shims, and agree that they work, I don't understand a few specifics about multiple entrances in a nectar flow scenario: With multiple entrances, is there still a central congregation/interaction area, where returning bees will brag about their foraging finds? (Note that I avoid making any statements about dance, exchange of odors, tiny topo maps, or GPS coordinates as the specific communication mechanism, as I do not want to start another jihad on this list) If there is not a central area, where do the "unemployed" bees hang out, waiting to be recruited by a "bragging" forager? If there is a central congregation/interaction area, do the extra entrances simply reduce entrance congestion? Anyone have a clue for me on this? Another practice that works for me is to take the capped-over frames one tends to find towards the center of a super, and move them to the two outermost positions, and replacing the uncapped/unfilled frames in the center of the super. This is extra labor, but it overcomes the bees' apparent reluctance to work on the outermost frames, and yields "full supers". I'll do this to the topmost super when I add another on top of it, which is fairly easy to do. jim farmageddon (where we add 2 mediums of drawn comb at a time) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:31:12 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: Apimondia 2005 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello All Ireland has been selected for Apimondia for 2005. This will be held at the world famous Royal Dublin Society (RDS) where the Dublin Horse Show is held every year along with other prestigious events. So please make an entry in your diary and you can be certain of a whale of a time here in Ireland. But we will be delighted to see you in Ireland earlier too! The Federation of Irish Beekeeping website at www.irishbeekeeping.ie won third place in Durban. Sincerely Tom Barrett ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:27:14 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Cara & Tom Patterson Subject: Re: Boy Scout Merit Badge Update In-Reply-To: <200111081306.fA8D6wY19097@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The following is the official word from the Director of Boy Scout Advancement in regards to the beekeeping merit badge ~Dear Tom: ~ ~I checked on this and the answer is we will not consider reinstating any = ~merit badge or adding to other merit badges until the current five year = ~plan to revise the merit badges currently being offered is completed. At = ~that time, the committee would be willing to take a look at this subject = ~matter and determine whether to reinstate the merit badge or incorporate = ~it someway into an existing merit badge (Insect Study, etc.) ~ ~I hope this answers the question. ~ ~Sincerely, ~ ~Terry Lawson, Director ~Boy Scout Advancement ~ ~>>> Cara & Tom Patterson 11/09/01 08:37PM >>> ~Hello Terry ~ ~Would you please comment on the following: ~ ~"Thanks to that effort and the hours of work by many others and the ~ receipt of many calls and letters from concerned beekeepers who began=20 ~ as Boy Scouts, Mr. John Dalrymple, Advancement Director, Boy Scouts of ~ America stated that the national review committee had reconsidered = ~this=20 ~ badge and that on February 9, 1999 had decided to reinstate the merit=20 ~ badge." ~ ~ ~I hope this is true but cannot find support of it on any of the scouting ~sites. I contacted Paul Wolf and he said: ~ ~::I haven't seen anything to indicate they were adding it back in. The = ~last=20 ~::I heard was they were not adding ANY new badges (or reinstating any =20 ~::discontinued badges from the past) until they complete a review of all = ~of=20 ~::the current merit badges over a 5 year period. ~:: ~::Mr. Dalrymple passed away a year or so ago. His replacement is Terry=20 ~::Lawson. You may want to write to him at BSA HQ to get a definitive = ~answer. ~:: ~::-- ~::Yours in Scouting, ~:: ~::Paul S. Wolf, PE ~::Advancement/Safety Webmaster ~::US Scouting Service Project, Inc. ~::mailto:PWolf@usscouts.org=20 ~::http://usscouts.org=20 ~ ~As such I am contacting you. ~ ~Thank you in advance ~ ~Tom Patterson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:14:09 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Vanessa de Behr Subject: Re: The US Post Office, Anthrax, Irradiation, and Bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I do not know what the seed companies know, but the museum, archivists and biology researchers do worry. A very detailed note dated Nov 5, 2001, on "the effects on research specimens and museum collection items from electron beam irradiation of mail by the US Postal Service" is available from the Smithsonian Center for Materials Research and Education Museum at: http://www.si.edu/scmre/mail_irradiation.html The technology involved and its destructive action are described. In summary, if they do irradiate in the proposed manner, living specimens will be killed by this irradiation: seeds, cuttings, etc. including bacteria (obviously), fungi, plants and all animals. The more complex the living being, the more destructive the irradiation. Plant fibers, skin products and paper will become more brittle; there will be a loss of fiber strength in wool and hair samples, and accelerated aging of many organic materials. Discoloration of many materials including minerals, glass and gems is also to be expected. Magnetic media (floppy disks, zip disks, audio and video tape) will probably loose significant information content. Undeveloped photographic film will be exposed. Vanessa, Sundays beekeeper, rainy Belgium James Fischer wrote: >The USA's postal service says that they will start using irradiation, (snip) >The process will certainly kill bacteria, but will also kill seeds, >bulbs, live plants, and any other living things, including bees. (snip) >but even the champagne yeast used to make mead will be >killed (snip) >I wonder if anyone at the seed companies knows the implications >of the phrases "irradiation" and "electron-beam"... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:22:52 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bob & Liz Subject: Re: The US Post Office, Anthrax, Irradiation, and Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, To learn about irradiation check out the site by Dr. Keith Delaplane. http://www.food-irradiation.com/florida.htm Sincerely, Bob Harrison