From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:46:14 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.1 required=2.4 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214604902B for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDbKlP012089 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:19 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0411E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 15999 Lines: 362 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:54:02 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: Baggie feeder (Was: Two-to-One Sugar Syrup) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the archives, a couple of comments were made about reusing baggie feeders: >One of the questions asked about baggie feeders: (You can't refill them once they are slit.) I dislike the ecology of this; we gotta save the plastic trees too! >Can you re-use the slit baggies? Am I cheap or what? Yes, they can be reused. Simply leave them in place on top of the frames where they are easily refilled using a garden sprayer. Place sprayer’s wand into the slit of the baggie and squeeze the handle. Try it. It works like a charm. If your bees get a little rambunctious while you’re filling the baggie, just give them a quick shot of syrup spray and they calm right down. No smoke required. As far as being cheap, I prefer the term ‘frugal’. Regards, Dick Allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:45:43 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Creamed Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit P-O Gustafsson wrote: > What really is happening is a crystallization of the honey. This is best > and easiest done just below 15C. Agreed. Optimum is 57F or 13.9C. > However, honey get very difficult to stir at so low temp, so we usually use a higher temp for > mixing the starter in. Up to 27-28C is OK... Honey can be stirred easily at 15C with a mechanical stirrer in order to cream it, but I agree that the higher temperature is required to mix in the starter thoroughly. > Stirring large batches of honey for days is a waste of time, The point of stirring as the honey starts to set is to produce a soft set honey which does not frost. If you mix in the starter and then bottle immediately then two things will happen: the honey is likely to set very hard and, because honey shrinks as it sets, unless it is stored at a constant temperature, it will pull away from the side of the jar causing frosting. Dyce (who first invented a reliable process for producing set honey) suggested 'conditioning' honey by warming the jars to 84F for 3 days so that the honey could relax. However, it is much more reliable to 'cream' the honey in order to break the crystal structure. >...using a proper starter made as described here: > http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/research/krist-e-nf.htm I am struggling to understand this website. Firstly, it takes little power to stir honey at 15C because of the gearing - my motor is just a couple of hundred watts and therefore uses little power to stir, say, 5 times a day for 15 minutes for 3 days. However, my main problem is with the production of the 'living starter'. This is produced from starter that 'need not be fine grain'. So how do you get from coarse crystals to a final fine grain product? Seeding honey with a coarse-grained starter will produce a very coarse-grained end product. Commercial packers grind the starter in order to produce fine crystals. How does the Ekobi method achieve this? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:52:52 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan & Jan Subject: Re: Two-to-One Sugar Syrup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may want to look into an in hive feeder at candibox.com Dan Veilleux Boone area In the Mountains of NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:30:47 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Milt Lathan Subject: How do you reuse plastic foundation? Is it really possible to scrape the wax from Pierco (and other) plastic foundation and have the bees successfully redraw comb on it. I tried this with just a couple frames this summer and that hive made a mess between the two and I gave up that experiment. But, having 2-3 boxes worth of frames that have moth damage is much different than just trying to get a couple frames drawn 'straight'. I am wondering - do folks really just scrape down to the plastic and give to the bees to fix? I would appreciate any tips you have. Thanks. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:01:32 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: BeeResearch@AOL.COM Subject: (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: Exciting news. Zac Huang and his colleagues have identified a new bee pheromone!! _http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/508523/_ (http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/508523/) These kinds of breakthroughs don't happen often. Congratulations to the team. Jerry :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:42:46 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: How do you reuse plastic foundation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" davidbrowder@LEXCOMINC.NET replied:Throw em in the freezer, then scrape with a wire brush. I'm having trouble with Piercos too but this has worked the best so far. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:38:05 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Fanning Subject: Re: How do you reuse plastic foundation? In-Reply-To: <200411292230.iATMPlM3012273@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is no scientific break through but a one time success. Last season, I had used Pierco frames. I scraped them clean then took a block of beeswax and rubbed them briskly so that a coating of sorts was on the surface of the plastic foundation. This one time trial was a success, the bees used it as they have used factory wax coated frames in the past. Perhaps a mild warming to reflow the wax might have helped but I did not do that. Bob Fanning North Alabama, USA -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [BEE-L] How do you reuse plastic foundation? :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:13:47 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Creamed Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erratum. I posted: 'Dyce (who first invented a reliable process for producing set honey) suggested 'conditioning' honey by warming the jars to 84F for 3 days so that the honey could relax'. I must apologise as this was incorrect. Eva Crane describes the Dyce process in 'Honey' and in section 10.67 'Conditioning honey after it is granulated' states: 'If a honey is too hard for table use, it should be left at a temperature of 30C (85F) until it is 'conditioned', or soft enough to spread.' It is not clear whether this is part of the Dyce process, or whether the temperature was determined by someone else. In the same section she describes 'frosting' (i.e. where set honey pulls away from the side of the jar giving an unattractive appearance) and states: 'McDonald [Further studies on Honey Crystallization, Cornell University, M.Sc. thesis] found that if the processed honey is removed from the refrigerator at the end of five days and conditioned or softened a little at a temperature of about 32C (90F for three days, this difficulty is not experienced.' Personally, I have not found this softening process to be effective in preventing frosting, whereas allowing the honey to almost set in the tank and creaming it to break the crystal structure before bottling seems to work every time. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:09:50 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lambert van der Veen Subject: Re: How do you reuse plastic foundation? I use PermaDent which is a wax coated plastic foundation. Unlike Pierco it needs to be fitted in a wooden frame. I scrape my empty honey frames -never had any brood in them- with a hive tool and use them again. The plastic mid rib has still some wax on it. Brood frames are a little more difficult to clean. Scraping does not remove the material in the mid rib indents but a power washer will take care of that. I have done a few hundred brood frames this year. Frames which sat around for a number of weeks after scraping were easier to power wash. What is left is bare plastic. This leaves me with a problem. I like to have them coated with wax again before reuse but have not yet tried to do so. Lambert van der Veen VEPEX Bee Farm Ontario, Canada :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:35:55 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Nelson Subject: Re: How do you reuse plastic foundation? >Perhaps a mild warming to reflow the wax might have helped but I did not do that. I have heard of, but not tried, using a power washer. The heat would disperse the wax which fills the base of the cell. A rinse in clean water would probably be a good idea in case there is any soap residue in the washer The deep freeze makes sense. In my observation the wax filled base is the problem and this could remove it in whole. Having no experience with it I would be cautious that the wire bristles don't damage the plastic cell margins. When I find one burred up I scrape it down and place it next to as perfect as possible frame with brood present. This is done late spring or early summer when young bee population and brood rearing make comb building optimal. Otherwise I put them into the honey super. Don't much care what kind of comb the bees put honey in. I then slip it into the brood nest the next year. Bob Nelson :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:01:10 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Nelson Subject: Re: How do you reuse plastic foundation? >This leaves me with a problem. I like to have them coated with wax again >before reuse but have not yet tried to do so. Melted wax applied with a GOOD quality sponge brush will do the trick. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:28:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Zachary Huang Subject: New Primer Pheromone Jerry, Thanks for posting this. Yes, it is nice to be proven "right" 12 years after publishing a theory! Feel free to post our email exchanges today. Zach On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:01:32 EST, BeeResearch@AOL.COM wrote: >Hi all: > >Exciting news. Zac Huang and his colleagues have identified a new bee >pheromone!! >(http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/508523/) > >These kinds of breakthroughs don't happen often. > >Congratulations to the team. > >Jerry :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::