From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:58:48 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-87.1 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C3449095 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SFhrq4016524 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:17 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0706D" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 96682 Lines: 2278 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:43:50 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: MegaBee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, >"In Bakersfield we found, for a pound of product going in, that we had more square inches of brood coming out- even more so than with natural pollen. I would like to see some private tests run (other than the inventor and owner of the company) as we all know that no natural pollen was available in Bakersfield before almonds this year when said testing took place. Talk at the ABF meeting about the product was not quite like the above! More like "the bees will not touch the stuff!" Beekeepers have been given samples to try. inventor & owner of company says! "even more so than natural pollen" Those of us which feed pollen patties will have to be shown that any pollen patty trumps natural pollen as bees *in areas of spring natural pollen* (which is not California for the most part) observe the bees will not touch ALL the current pollen subs after natural pollen becomes available. I have got pails of patties I removed after fresh pollen became available as the bees simply ignored the patties. Happens every year when fresh pollen becomes available. Kept frozen and given back to the bees when no pollen is available and the bees jump on the product again. Sincerely, Bob Harrison Missouri "Show me State" -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:54:51 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Bee Venom Has 'Potential for Treatment of Neurodegenerative Diseases' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Bee Venom Has 'Therapeutic Potential for Treatment of Neurodegenerative Diseases' Bee Venom and Melittin Reduce Proinflammatory Mediators in Lipopolysaccharide-Stimulated BV2 Microglia International Immunopharmacology, Volume 7, Issue 8, August 2007, Pages 1092-1101 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/06/bee-venom-has-therapeutic-potential-for.html …These results demonstrate that BV and MEL possess a potent suppressive effect on proinflammatory responses of BV2 microglia and suggest that these compounds may offer substantial therapeutic potential for treatment of neurodegenerative diseases that are accompanied by microglial activation. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:08:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Bee behavior and CCD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jerry & All, In the July issue of the American Bee Journal is an article by Eric Mussen. Simply named "Colony Collapse Disorder". On page 593 Eric explains in great detail the beliefs of many about the connection between CCD and a systemic insecticide and proteins from GM plants. Of course only a hypothesis right now but if correct I do not have to tell Jerry the type of battle with big ag corps we are stepping in the ring with. As Eric says in his article imidacloprid is the main concern as new uses in Ag are found every year for imidacloprid. Beekeepers are a very small industry with mainly only people which understand the need for honey bees to help protect the bees. Large Ag business are profit motivated. I would love to go deeper into Ag companies and what in my opinion they are doing to our earth but will keep quiet for now. I find very few people even willing to discuss the real possibility our current problems are related to the above issue. The reason is simple. If the above is true then we have nothing to research and a big problem (perhaps unsolvable) trying to keep bees in areas with GM plants and systemic pesticides. Perhaps like the mandarin issue a law will be passed beekeepers can not locate bees within so many miles of GM plants or pesticide treated seed plants? I expect my post will go unanswered as most do not want to fast forward to the "what if imidaclprid is the problem or GM plants" What might be the game plan for the beekeeping industry Jerry if those might be the cause? The beekeeping industry has fought hive loss from pesticides since pesticides were first used. In most cases we have lost. Now we have got new systemic pesticides which will kill a corn worm but will not harm a honeybee using the same pollen? Not at the very least cause the bee not to be able to find its hive. At least that's the chemical companies story. Those which drink know a point exists when finding ones way home can be difficult. How much pesticide would it take to cause a bee not to find her way back to the hive? CCD symptom: Bees not finding their way back to hive. Also one of two symptoms of a pesticide kill! 1. hive front full of dead bees which returned to the hive to die 2. hive without foragers as bees either died or failed to live long enough to make it back to the hive (or simple failed to locate the hive). Leaving frames of brood, qeeen and young bees. Is CCD a new problem or simply an old problem packaged in a different way? bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:01:21 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Honey Inhibits Bacterial Growth in Milk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Honey Inhibits Bacterial Growth in Milk Honey as a Natural Preservative of Milk Indian Journal of Experimental Biology, Vol. 45, May 2007, pp. 459-464 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/06/honey-inhibits-bacterial-growth-in-milk.html …Samples of commercial milk stored at 4°C in presence of honey were shown to inhibit opportunistic bacterial growth better compared to samples stored without honey…. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:24:52 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Peter L. Borst" Subject: Free Publications on Beekeeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Penn State College of Agricultural Sciences has a bunch of great publications available. Most of them can be downloaded free. Example: "A Quick Reference Guide to Honey Bee Parasites, Pests, Predators, and Diseases" The key to protecting honey bee colonies from harmful diseases, parasites, and other pests is the ability to identify problems early. This 10-panel brochure is a quick reference to common honey bee maladies, including varroa mite, tracheal mite, bee louse, skunks, bears, foulbrood, nosema, and more. The publication also includes references for more information. Department: Entomology Catalog Number: UF013 website address: http://pubs.cas.psu.edu/PubSubject.asp?varSubject=Bees%20and%20Beekeeping http://tinyurl.com/2by5tq -- Peter L. Borst Ithaca, NY USA http://picasaweb.google.com/peterlborst ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:25:13 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: CCD Speak Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit we do 4 farmers markets a week in a large metropolitan area. by now we have endured 100's of helpful and concerned inquiries about our bees. the standard exchange goes something like this " so how are your bees? are any of your bees disappearing?" they're ok we had a larger then average winter loss though. " so you lost your bees to the new disorder too? I hear its affecting beekeepers all over the world, what do you supposes is causing this?" well we had a larger then normal winter kill, thats different then bees that disappear.... "thats's terrible, I heard that cell phones are killing the bees too, did you see that in the news? maybe that's what killed your bees" well no I don't beleive that, .....really that story was misrepresented "you should read the newspapers to learn more about the disease and cell phones it sounds like you have that colony whatever disorder, I'll bring along the article next time" ok thanks for the concern......bye bye ( if this is a cross section of the public's understanding imagine how many beekeepers are confused ) here is one article forwarded to me on CCD I thought was right on for once..... http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mvanishingbees.htm ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:54:58 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: CCD Speak MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Brian & All, I also deal with many people directly though my direct sales and get asked the same questions. I simply be honest about my situation and like you say to disregard the cell phone stories and the Einstein supposedly quote as myth. The site you posted had sound reasoning but still lacks front line CCD information. Most news media simply contact a beekeeper and seek his or her opinion. The reason things get out of hand. I spent all last week in bee yards. The farming world has went crazy over the price of corn. They think they are all now going to get rich on corn production. Last year they were going to get rich on Soy beans! Finally be able to quit the day city job and the wife quit her city job so they can farm full time! I chased an outlaw sprayer with unmarked containers and truck with no placards but lost him when he turned down a dirt road trying to lose me this week. Highly illegal with containers of chemical without markings of any kind. I had a load of honey supers and did not want to deal with the dust. The local spray outfits are booked weeks ahead so he thinks he is filling a niche and is going to get rich. Many farmers complaining they have not got their planting done do to chemical sprayers not being able to keep up with demand. I looked at a new John Deere combine a farmer bought ( actually financed but easy he said to pay off with his corn profits)which is supposed to collect every kernel of corn. Farmers never used to care about the small amount of field corn the corn worm ate or was left for the deer and wild turkeys after combining but they do now. As I drive through hundreds of thousands of acres of corn I wonder what chemicals have been used. Policing pesticide use by the government is (for the most part) not done unless a problem arises. All honor system. Commercial beekeepers are busy people but the burden of proof of a pesticide problem falls on us. We have to bring the litigation. One of the cases I have spoke about on BEE-L from the past involved five beekeepers which paid over $250,000 in lawyers fees against pesticide kill in Florida and lost. They had the proof and thought they would win but not in Miami Dade against the city of Miami! Ariel spraying of pesticide against label in the middle of day across the tops of bee hives. The beekeepers had the records to prove their case! Justice is the will of the stronger it seems in the U.S. many times. Many people have said about the North Dakota losses of CCD that no pesticide problems exist in North Dakota. Nothing but fields of Clover. Not! The below site is 10 year old information but a site I refer to for quick pesticide information but will give an idea of the scope of the pesticide issue beekeepers face. We need serious enforcement of pesticide laws and the government to enforce existing laws with stiff penalties and not slaps on the wrist! http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/pests/e494w.htm bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:09:42 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Malaysian U to Study Effect of 'Tualang' Honey on Immune System MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Malaysian U to Study Effect of 'Tualang' Honey on Immune System FAMA, USM Sign MoU for Research on Tualang Honey Bernama (Malysian National News Agency), 6/24/2007 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/06/malaysian-university-to-study-effect-of.html KOTA BAHARU, June 24 (Bernama) -- The Federal Agricultural Marketing Authority (FAMA) and Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM) signed a memorandum of understanding to undertake research on "tualang" honey… Samah said the cooperation with USM would focus on the effectiveness of tualang honey in strengthening human immune system. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:00:22 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all: This was forwarded to me by friend Joe Graham at Dadant. http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~meettheancestors/Varroa.html Dee A. Lusby ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:00:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, Leave it to Bob to nit pick research. My problem is not with the hypothesis but with the data collection. First let me say a test to see the efficacy of Apistan on the subject bees would help give the research better creditability. Apistan or fluvalinate resistance is common in most areas of the world including GB. Next on pg. 4 under results September 2005 the period is only 30 days. Apistan needs 42 days or two complete brood cycles. In other words what would be the number of mites in both groups if left the label recommended period? The last 12 days might change the results? Next under (I) "by examining the individual cells". The research lists LC & SC counts but only lists drone brood. Which drone brood? SC or LC? AND only 87 cells looked at. Actually the amount of varroa in LC & SC is statistically so close of little importance. Large worker 614 cells/ 27mites Small worker 718 cells/21 mites 6 mites difference is not a lot. Also hives being hit so often with a working fluvalinate are not a good test of SC & LC. Please correct me list if my figures are off as I only read through the information once. Back to work! bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:01:21 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Has there ever been a good explanation for why AHB can co-exist with mites? I assume AHB in South America managed by beekeepers are mostly on LC? yes/no? ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:23:08 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: queenbee Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had a look at the research. Trying hard to make sense of it. However, one sentence in the conclusion stood out. It was "Small cell foundation when used in conjunction with sugar powder17 gives an effective chemical free control of Varroa." Now if the SC is so good, why do you need the sugar powder? Was a comparison done between LC and SC using only sugar? Trevor Weatherhead Hoping to see you at Apimondia in Melbourne in September ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:15:18 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Bee behavior and CCD In-Reply-To: <001001c7b4b5$4af1f680$05bc59d8@BusyBeeAcres> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob states ...."Of course only a hypothesis right now but if correct I do not have to tell Jerry the type of battle with big ag corps we are stepping in the ring with. ..... Beekeepers are a very small industry with mainly only people which understand the need for honey bees to help protect the bees. Large Ag business are profit motivated." So, how come the French Beekeeping Unions and Associations managed to get a positive result ? Answer: Good organisation. Independent research. Willing to lobby in the face of legal threats. A tight and concise message to the general public. Dedicated people. Ability to control in fighting to private forums over the period of investigation. Constructive agenda with Government officials and concerned departments. Regards, Peter ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:42:00 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <20070625230022.13441.qmail@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bob: Thanks Bob. Straight forward and to point as always. Good for you. Still need long term research by someone, to explain why I keep going now over a decade later with SC and no treatments. Quickies just don't seem to get there, laying information out in detail needed, somehow.... Dee- ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:55:04 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ron & Eefje Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <20070625230022.13441.qmail@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dee/group, The conclusion of the referenced study is a little strange as I see it, since it suddenly pulled in the sugar dusting method into the equation. The study itself was only showing outcomes with differing cell sizes and never mentioned an influence of sugar dusting anywhere. Mind you, I do not have anything against either sugar dusting or small cell beekeeping but combining them in the conclusion of this study would only have been correct if sugar dusting had been part of this study, which it was not. Ron van Mierlo ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:24:29 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Propolis Gaining Favor with Doctors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Propolis Gaining Favor with Doctors Alternative Remedies: Propolis By Jessica Kiddle, The Scotsman (UK), 6/26/2007 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/06/propolis-gaining-favor-with-doctors.html The medical establishment is generally wary of claims regarding a plant's curative powers. But after a recent German study reported that propolis may be effective in treating neurofibromatosis - a little-known and unpredictable genetic condition causing non-cancerous tumours to grow around the body - it is even gaining favour with doctors... ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:07:34 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Peter L. Borst" Subject: food imports have increased dramatically MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The media have tried to scare everybody into thinking that the demise of the honey bee will cause food shortages in this country. Probably not true, BUT -- it will cause increased imports, especially if these products can be produced more cheaply elsewhere. AND -- we will have to deal with a huge surge in unsafe products: QUOTED MATERIAL: "Assuring the safety of food in large nations is a demanding proposition, whether it's China or the United States. And neither of our countries has perfected this process." Many experts say the problems are a consequence of globalization, and especially of America's growing dependence on China for food ingredients. The FDA lists on its Web site food imports its inspectors have refused at U.S. ports. Last month, FDA inspectors blocked 257 food shipments from China, according to the list. "That's by far the most of all the countries of the world," says William Hubbard. In the past year, the FDA rejected more than twice as many food shipments from China as from all other countries combined. The rejected shipments make an unappetizing list. Inspectors commonly block Chinese food imports because they're "filthy." That's the official term. "They might smell decomposition. They might see gross contamination of the food. 'Filthy' is a broad term for a product that is not fit for human consumption," Hubbard says. Another rejection code is "vet-drug-res." That means the food product, usually things like fish, seafood and eels, contains residues of veterinary drugs, such as antibiotics and antifungals. "These fish are often raised in polluted water, unfortunately. So they're given these drugs to treat them," Hubbard says. Drug residues in food are illegal. They promote antibiotic resistance, which makes drugs useless when they're needed. One drug that routinely shows up in Chinese food imports is dangerous. It's a veterinary antibiotic that causes cancer in animals. When Hubbard was at the FDA, he heard all kinds of stories about foreign food processors, like the one a staffer told him after visiting a Chinese factory that makes herbal tea. "To speed up the drying process, they would lay the tea leaves out on a huge warehouse floor and drive trucks over them so that the exhaust would more rapidly dry the leaves out," Hubbard says. "And the problem there is that the Chinese use leaded gasoline, so they were essentially spewing the lead over all these leaves." That lead-contaminated herbal tea would only be caught by FDA inspectors at the border if they knew to look for it, Hubbard says. "The system is so understaffed now that what is being caught and stopped is only a fraction of the food that's actually slipping through the net," he says. The FDA normally inspects about 1 percent of all food and food ingredients at U.S. borders. It does tests on about half of 1 percent. And official vigilance has been going down — for two reasons. First, food imports have increased dramatically, from $45 billion in 2003 to $64 billion three years later. "China has increased overall its food imports to the United States by over 20 percent in the last year alone," Kennedy says. "Going back three years, we have doubled our agricultural inputs from China." China has become the leading supplier of many food ingredients, such as apple juice, a primary sweetener in many foods; garlic and garlic powder, a major flavor agent; sausage casings and cocoa butter. China now supplies 80 percent of the world's ascorbic acid — vitamin C. It's used as a preservative and nutritional enriching agent in thousands of foods. One-third of the world's vitamin A now comes from China, along with much of the supply of vitamin B-12 and many health-food supplements, such as the amino acid lysine. That is no accident. Chinese manufacturers have tried to corner the market in many food ingredients by under-pricing other suppliers. Leo Hepner, a food-ingredient consultant based in London, says vitamin C is a good example. "The price in 1995 was $15 per kilogram," Hepner says. "Today, the price from China is $3.50." No one can compete with that. So most Western producers of vitamin C have shut down. That's globalization. But there's a hidden price for cheap goods. Earlier this year, lead-contaminated multivitamins showed up on the shelves of U.S. retailers. And this spring, vitamin A from China contaminated with dangerous bacteria nearly ended up in European baby food. It's bound to happen more often. Hubbard says the agency is overwhelmed by the rising tide of imports. "When I came to the FDA in the 1970s, the food program was almost half of the FDA's budget. Today, it's only a quarter," Hubbard says. Experts say the FDA has about 650 food inspectors to cover 60,000 domestic food producers and 418 ports of entry. The agency plans to close nearly half of its 13 food-testing labs. All that means food safety depends on the vigilance of food companies operating in a fast-changing world. Many companies may not know much about their suppliers. Earlier this month, the FDA wrote a letter to food manufacturers reminding them of their legal responsibility to make sure all the ingredients they use are safe. Don't depend on FDA testing, the letter says. Consumers who want to find out where food is coming from or what American companies are doing to safeguard it might not have much luck. Four years ago, Congress passed a law requiring food to be labeled for its country-of-origin. But that doesn't extend to individual food ingredients. And when NPR asked major food companies where they get their ingredients and how they test them, companies either didn't respond or said those matters are proprietary secrets. Source: National Public Radio Morning Edition, May 25, 2007 · http://tinyurl.com/23jp3m ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:32:00 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Peter_L._Borst?=" Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... Comments: To: Dee Lusby Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dee Lusby wrote: > explain why I keep going now over a decade later with SC and no treatments. This, from the very article you quoted: > Africanised European Bee. A cross between the European honeybee (A. mellifera) and A. mellifera scutellata - a vigorous bee brought to the Americas to enhance honey yield. Noted for its aggressive behaviour, with effective grooming against Varroa. Africanised bees also inherited effective grooming ability of A. mellifera scutellata10. Note: Arizona where Dee and Ed Lusby keep bees is now Africanised and this may well contribute to the Lusbys' success with 4.9mm cell size foundation. < pb ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:41:20 -0700 Reply-To: mdshepherd@xerces.org Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Matthew Shepherd (Xerces Society)" Subject: Pollinator Protection Act of 2007 Introduced into the Senate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For immediate Release Date: June 26, 2007 Contact: Scott Hoffman Black, Executive Director Xerces Society: 503-449-3792= sblack@xerces.org For additional information contact: Natalie Ravitz (Boxer) 202-224-8120 Kyle Downey (Thune) 202-228-5939 Kendra Barkoff (Casey) 202-228-6367 Pollinator Protection Act of 2007 Introduced into the Senate Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) along with eight other co-sponsors introduced= the Pollinator Research Act of 2007 into the Senate today. This bill= provides significant funding for research that will improve the security= of crop pollination and support strong populations of honey bees and= native bees. The recent widespread loss of honey bee colonies from Colony Collapse= Disorder (CCD) has received a lot of media coverage. At this time the= cause of CCD remains a mystery. It may be one or more factors, such as= parasitic mites, disease, pesticides or diet. The European honey bee is=97and will continue to be=97the most important= single crop pollinator in the United States. However, with the decline in= the number of managed honey bee colonies from diseases, parasitic mites,= and Africanized bees=97as well as from Colony Collapse Disorder=97it is= important to increase the use of native bees in our agricultural system as= well. Research into Colony Collapse Disorder, as well as the biology of= crop-pollinating native bees is vital to this effort. The Pollinator Protection Act is a modified version of Congressman= Hastings=92 Pollinator Protection Act (H.R. 1709), which addresses Colony= Collapse Disorder (CCD). This bill not only addresses Colony Collapse= Disorder in honey bees, but also the decline of native pollinators in= North America. This bill will enhance funding for research on the= parasites, pathogens, toxins, and other environmental factors that affect= honey bees and native bees. It supports research into the biology of= native bees and their role in crop pollination, diversifying the= pollinators upon which agriculture relies. =93This bill can help to improve crop security and the sustainability of= agriculture, by helping farmers in the United States diversity their= pollinator portfolio=94 said Scott Hoffman Black, executive director of= the Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation. =93The Pollinator= Protection Act of 2007 will provide the financial support needed to= strengthen the honey bee industry and the role of native bees in crop= pollination.=94 The Pollinator Protection Act provides for: $25.25 million to the Agriculture Research Service over five years for= research, personnel, and facility improvements regarding honey bee and= native bee biology, causes/solutions for CCD, and bee toxicology,= pathology, and physiology. $50 million to the Cooperative State Research, Education, and Extension= Service over five years to fund research grants to investigate honey bee= and native bee biology, immunology, ecology, genomics, bioinformatics,= parasites, pathogens, sublethal effects of insecticides, herbicides, and= fungicides, native bee crop pollination and habitat conservation, and= effects of genetically modified crops. $11.25 million to the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service over five= years to conduct a nationwide honey bee pest and pathogen surveillance= program. Annual reporting to the Committee on Agriculture of the House of= Representatives and the Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry= of the Senate on the status and progress of bee research projects. The Pollinator Protection Act of 2007 works in conjunction with Senator= Baucus=92 Pollinator Habitat Protection Act (introduced May 24, 2007), of= which Senator Boxer is a co-sponsor. The Pollinator Habitat Protection Act= addresses an important aspect of CCD and the decline of pollinators in= general: the continued loss of pollinator habitat due to development. The= Pollinator Habitat Protection Act leverages existing conservation efforts= to improve the health of our nation=92s pollinators. Senator Boxer=92s Pollinator Protection Act differs in that it directly= applies research funding to strengthen honey bees and native bees, the= foundation of crop pollination in the U.S. Honey bees and native bees are= vital for $15 billion and $3 billion in crop production each year,= respectively, yet research in these fields has received little funding and= attention throughout its history. No other industry or service that= provides such vital services to this nation is as under-funded as= beekeeping and native bee management and habitat conservation. In conjunction, these two bills take major steps to focus resources and= conservation efforts on the decline of honey bees, native bees, and other= pollinators, and provide a foundation for further study into a service we= have often taken for granted. In supporting funding for research, we= provide avenues to further understand the problems facing our crop= pollinators, and in turn ensure the health of our nation=92s food supply. "Almost all of our pollination eggs are in the honey bee basket," says Mace= Vaughan, conservation director of the Xerces Society for Invertebrate= Conservation. "The Pollinator Protection Act of 2007 will support honey= bees and greatly expand our understanding of bumble bees, sweat bees,= mason bees, squash bees, sunflower bees, and miner bees. This bill= strengthens the honey bee basket and adds additional pollinator baskets= for agriculture." Importance of Protecting Pollinators Pollinators are essential to our environment. The ecological service they= provide is important for the reproduction of nearly 75 percent of the= world=92s flowering plants. This includes more than two-thirds of the= world=92s crop species, and one in three mouthfuls of the food that we= eat. The United States alone grows more than one hundred crops that either= require or benefit from pollinators. Beyond agriculture, native pollinators are keystone species in most= terrestrial ecosystems. Fruits and seeds derived from insect pollination= are a major part of the diet of approximately 25 percent of birds, and of= mammals ranging from deer mice to grizzly bears. Why are native bees so helpful? Collectively, native bees are more= versatile than honey bees. Some species, such as mason bees, are active= when conditions are too cold or wet for honey bees. Many species also are= simply more efficient at moving pollen between flowers. Bumble bees and= several other native species can buzz pollinate flowers=97vibrating the= flower to release pollen from deep inside the pollen-bearing= anthers=97which honey bees cannot do. Crops such as tomatoes, cranberries,= and blueberries produce larger, more abundant fruit when buzz pollinated. The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation is an international= non-profit organization that protects the diversity of life through the= conservation of invertebrates. The Society advocates for invertebrates and= their habitats by working with scientists, land managers, educators, and= citizens on conservation and education projects. Its core programs focus= on endangered species, native pollinators, and watershed health. For more information on pollinator conservation go to: www.xerces.org Pollinator Protection Act Cosponsors Sponsor: Boxer, Barbara- (D - CA) Casey, Robert P., Jr.- (D - PA) Thune, John- (R - SD) Nelson, Bill- (D - FL) Menendez, Robert- (D - NJ) Clinton, Hillary Rodham- (D - NY) Durbin, Richard- (D - IL) Brown, Sherrod- (D - OH) Kerry, John F.- (D - MA) ______________________________________________________ The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation The Xerces Society is an international nonprofit organization that protects the diversity of life through invertebrate conservation. To join the Society, make a contribution, or read about our work, please visit www.xerces.org. Matthew Shepherd Director, Pollinator Conservation Program 4828 SE Hawthorne Boulevard, Portland, OR 97215, USA Tel: 503-232 6639 Cell: 503-807 1577 Fax: 503-233 6794 Email: mdshepherd@xerces.org ______________________________________________________ ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:30:36 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >explain the consistently higher mite fall on the small cell worker comb, >which was repeated over four consecutive years. Am I missing something here? The SC colonies always had more mite drop, to me indicating that there were more mites! Over the 30 day sampling periods, all susceptible phoretic mites, plus the normal 50% mite mortality from emerging brood would have been counted. Appears to me that in his apiary, the SC colonies always had more mites, no matter how much he equalized or treated. I'm not looking for argument, Dee, I'm open to small cell, but this data certainly does not support it in my interpretation. Randy Oliver ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:03:44 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:32:00 -0400, Peter L. Borst wrote: >Dee Lusby wrote: > >> explain why I keep going now over a decade later with SC and no treatments. > Note: Arizona where Dee and >Ed Lusby keep bees is now Africanised and this may well contribute to the >Lusbys' success with 4.9mm cell size foundation. < Dee have you had your bees analyzed by a 3rd party to determine what if any AHB genetics you do or do not have to end this long standing controversy? ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:27:02 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brian: Yes many times, and no results ever the same for seeing, depending upon who was doing the work and what country shipped to. So figure have to wait until ID is uniform country to country, lab to lab then...... Dee- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:34:30 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <002501c7b830$db25ff70$61aa5142@MyPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Randy: But this is what you gotta see! You gotta see more mite drop and lots of it especially in early doings 1-2 years starting. More the better and lots of it. Then when stabilized and cleaned out, it stops and receeds back! Bees that cannot get the mites out with drops aren't doing the cleansing work FWIW, leaving them still therein to do harm...... Why you afraid of seeing large mite drops with SC? With big LC I can see it being a problem, but not large numbers in especially first wintering with SC. Gotta have it and more the better in the line of fire!!....to show the bees are working. Then in seeing this, you check other parameters to make sure things in balance and going right direction. Just gotta learn what you are actually seeing. Really nothing hard! That's why I do a lot of hands-on showing in field to those needing to know. Dee ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:50:08 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Timothy C. Eisele" Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <104705.82749.qm@web51611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dee Lusby wrote: > Randy: > But this is what you gotta see! You gotta see more mite > drop and lots of it especially in early doings 1-2 years > starting. More the better and lots of it. Then when > stabilized and cleaned out, it stops and receeds back! > > But, in the paper you pointed to, they never saw the "receeds back" part. The small cell always showed higher numbers of mites being dropped, for all four years. Since mites don't live that long, all these mites being dropped later in the test period had to be new mites, that grew up in the small cells, didn't they? And, in each given treatment interval, the small cell showed more mites dropping for the entire interval. If the counts were higher because it was easier to knock mites off of bees on small cell, then I would have expected that there would have been a large "pulse" of mite drop at the beginning of each test interval, which would rapidly tail off to below the levels seen for the large cell bees by the end of the test interval. This never happened. I'm sorry, I don't see where this study is any sort of ringing endorsement of small cell. It is at best inconclusive, unless the question can be answered of where all those extra mites in the small cell hives were coming from for all four years of the testing. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:21:35 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "deknow@netzero.net" Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, i don't know about s america. i do know a woman from cuba who said she was suprised at how large honeybees were here in the states. it's also interesting that castro accused the us of 'biological attack' when varroa first showed up there in 96, and that now they have set up breeding labs, and have 50% of colonies survive varroa. they have no chemicals, and i'm not sure what size foundaion (if any) is used....could be small cell, could be that they reuse comb much longer because of no chemicals in any of the agriculture (and economic need), that the cell size gets small from successive generations/cocoons. deknow -- Brian Fredericksen wrote: I assume AHB in South America managed by beekeepers are mostly on LC? yes/no? ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:11:48 -0400 Reply-To: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Pollinator Protection Act of 2007 Introduced into the Senate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > H.R. 1709 > This bill not only addresses Colony Collapse Disorder in honey bees, > but also the decline of native pollinators in North America. And who added "native pollinators" language? When? Why? > with the decline in the number of managed honey bee colonies from > diseases, parasitic mites, and Africanized bees-as well as from > Colony Collapse Disorder-it is important to increase the use of > native bees in our agricultural system as well. The comment about "native bees" is a classic "answer looking for a problem" tactic. Oh so reasonable, and oh so cynical. Finding the cause of CCD and use of native bees are two very different problems, and I am starting to get annoyed at the well-paid professional "native pollinator" advocates and their ongoing well-funded PR campaigns. They now stoop to attempting to hijack a simple effort to fund some CCD research. Their efforts work at cross-purposes with the simple need for funding and enhanced awareness among the general public about the specific plight of honey bees at hand and the resulting impact on practical agriculture. Even at the USDA "CCD meeting" in Beltsville, a meeting called to address a single specific problem that affects only colonies of Apis mellifera, precious time was wasted while "native pollinator" advocates droned on and on about other types of bees, which have not been affected by CCD. Gentle attempts to redirect the discussion back to CCD and Apis mellifera were not enough of a hint, so the meeting facilitator had to overtly shut down the long-winded, non-productive, off-topic monologues so that the assembled group could get back to the business at hand. With everyone from the anti-cell-phone luddites to the anti-GM-food activists pointing to CCD and screaming "See? We were RIGHT! The bees are dying, so we must have been right all along!", we don't really need groups like the Xerces Society, who should know better, doing the same thing. Get this straight - CCD has nothing to do with the Xerces Society, native pollinators, or a "native pollinators" agenda. The efforts of the "native pollinators" in this area of inquiry are cynical, self-serving, and fraudulent. Yes, we all agree that the general environmental deterioration has hurt native pollinators, and that these insects and animals are excellent sentinels for environmental quality. But they got the NAS pollinator report to dedicate most of its pages to "pollinators" that pollinate insignificant numbers of blooms of plants that have nothing to do with agriculture, http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/pollinators_brief_final.pdf And we did not complain. They also got their stamps, having successfully lobbied to exclude our favorite insects, http://www.usps.com/communications/news/stamps/2006/sr06_048.htm And again, we did complain. They also dominated "National Pollinator Week" and all the the promotional materials, bundling "bees" into a single category, giving equal weight to flies, beetles, wasps, ants, butterflies, moths, birds, and bats. Specific mention of honey bees was only made when it was to point out problems that were positioned to make them look like less viable pollinators. http://www.nationalacademies.org/headlines/20070621.html And yet again, we did complain. So we kinda hoped that they'd have the tact to leave a simple bill to fund CCD work alone. The bill was written to provide desperately-needed funding to find the actual causes of CCD. It was simple, it was clean, and it had a single purpose. But no, they had to go lobby to insert some language to get some of that money and attention too. They just have to stick their fingers in every pot, insert their wishful thinking about THEIR favorite insects somehow becoming economically-viable large-scale pollinators into the agenda, and thereby, ONCE AGAIN, diluted the message, complicated the situation, and added confusion to what was a simple and straightforward request to fund a very narrow set of tasks. Let's get something straight here - when beekeepers are asked to support efforts to protect native pollinators, we provide that support, with words, deeds, and cash. We don't try to twist things around to include Apis mellifera, we don't lobby to get some funding for our honey bee related agenda, and we certainly don't insert our favorite insects into the discussion. So stop hijacking this discussion, stop lobbying to insert your agenda into our mission-critical bill, and give us the same courtesy we extend to your efforts. Withdraw your changes that divert funding away from specific CCD work in HR 1709, and stop damming Apis mellifera with the "faint praise" of claims that alternative pollinators are some sort of practical "solution" to the problem at hand until you can point to a specific general-purpose pollinating native bee (or fly, beetle, wasp, ant, butterfly, moth, bird, or bat) that can be managed and deployed on anything more than a very limited basis on a very narrow range of plants. If you don't get with the program, and get your sticky fingers out of OUR funding bill, don't come 'round here no more expecting us to support your slick PR and advocacy campaigns. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:55:40 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <46824EF0.7000003@mtu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tim: Yes, I know they never saw the receeds back and this is because the experiment was with hives in the same yard and draft was involved with mites being equilized from hive to hive and the SC hives were helping the LC hives stay alive by taking mites away from them FWIW via drift. But the paper did show higher numbers of mjites being dropped for all four years and so the hives were doing a heck of a lot of work helping those LC ones next door. Like I said the paper was forwarded to me. I like the comments coming back now and yours is good, for it shows how small experiments need to be looked at for actual doings by those doing it to get good results. Here IMPOV I would not have done: the apistan nor sugar powder stuff as unacceptable for bees don't do that in Natural state. Also would have put hives in seperate yards and apart enough for NO Drift. Also would have compared short term to long term cycles and prior to and following the broodnest turn overs. Also whould have wanted to know stats going in and level mites for hives and general area. But I didn't do the work and many now looking are just learning and this all needs to be considered as to how's. But I stand what I said previous post based on my personal experience and what I show to those really wanting to see hands on. You need HIGH mite drops and the higher the better. You also need to not have different hives in same yard and I am not meaning then place in yards of each other nearby. I am talking radius sufficient to avoid complete drift to see how the bees actually handle the problem. Then NO TREATMENTS to queer the sampling results or internal broodnest workings which treatments do even for just sampling........ This to me is just basics for starting..while some would then use artificial feeds then, I would not for it changes parameters also IMPOV for longevity in looking at bees in their lives while watching. But high mite drops seeing is KEY! low mite drops in seeing is DEATH!!!!! long term talking here for beginnings. Then you watch the phase downs of mites as bees take charge on SC....... On last thing too! me here and not what written here. Drone culling and comb positioning are key also, for you either match nature or you don't in resetting the bees back up to roll. Dee But, in the paper you pointed to, they never saw the "receeds back" part. The small cell always showed higher numbers of mites being dropped, for all four years. Since mites don't live that long, all these mites being dropped later in the test period had to be new mites, that grew up in the small cells, didn't they? And, in each given treatment interval, the small cell showed more mites dropping for the entire interval. If the counts were higher because it was easier to knock mites off of bees on small cell, then I would have expected that there would have been a large "pulse" of mite drop at the beginning of each test interval, which would rapidly tail off to below the levels seen for the large cell bees by the end of the test interval. This never happened. I'm sorry, I don't see where this study is any sort of ringing endorsement of small cell. It is at best inconclusive, unless the question can be answered of where all those extra mites in the small cell hives were coming from for all four years of the testing. -- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:32:04 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: Pollinator Protection Act of 2007 Introduced into the Senate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >The efforts of the "native pollinators" in this area of inquiry are >cynical, self-serving, and fraudulent. A little harsh, Jim! I know some of these people, and they sure don't fit the above description. Looking at pollinators in general helps with the larger picture, and, in general, what's good for native pollinators is good for honeybees. In order to get a broader base of support in Congress, it may help to broaden the bill to be more inclusive. There are a number of commercial crops that can do just fine with, or are augmented by, native (or non honeybee) pollinators--apples, blueberries, squash, sunflowers, and alfalfa come to mind. The problem to agriculture is only indirectly due to CCD. It is directly due to fear of inadequate pollination, from whatever species. I'm a commercial beekeeper, and my income depends upon honeybees. If the almond growers were to find a native pollinator, it might put me out of business. However, I'm also a citizen of this planet, and don't mind sharing some space with the native pollinators. I don't know the history of the bill, but there are those who feel that CCD is a natural phenomenon that will likely recur, and then "disappear" again. Those of this bent may feel that throwing truckloads of taxpayer dollars at chasing the elusive cause might be a waste of said taxpayers' dollars. However, using taxpayer dollars to better understand the scope of pollination issues in the current bill might be wiser. As the Xeres guy stated: "This bill can help to improve crop security and the sustainability of agriculture, by helping farmers in the United States diversity their pollinator portfolio." Randy Oliver ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:57:44 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Peter_L._Borst?=" Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dee Lusby wrote: > But high mite drops seeing is KEY! low mite drops in seeing is DEATH!!!!! Since I have looked at hundreds of sticky boards, and counted thousands of mites, I must point out that the boards give a basic estimate of the number of mites in a hive. Low mite drop generally indicates low infestation. It can also indicate an extremely weak colony or one about to die. I never thought mite counts gave an accurate estimate of the infestation rate, because they don't take into account the strength of the hive. It is generally assumed that the bees that fall are primarily dead from natural causes. Mites do die, you know. Some are no doubt killed by the bees. To judge mite infestation I prefer to examine the drone brood. To get a better picture, an ether roll or sugar roll must be done. This gives an idea of mites per bee. I doubt that powdered sugar dusting is harmful in any way to bees. To reject the use of sugar or protein supplements as "unnatural" is an extreme position at best. Unfortunately, I have seen this repeated in the news. People are telling reporters that the colony collapse is caused by supplemental feeding of bees. These practices go back at least a hundred years without ill effects. In my 1908 and 1890 "ABC & XYZ", A. I. Root wrote: "Of course, sugar syrup is better than some honey that the bees gather; and pound for pound, it will go further in the hives as food." "I would unhesitatingly take syrup made from granulated sugar, in place of the best clover honey or any other kind of honey, if offered at the same price. I say this after having fed many barrels of sugar." * * * > the SC hives were helping the LC hives stay alive by taking mites away from them FWIW via drift. The idea that mite resistant hives in an apiary "take mites away" from other colonies is certain a brand new idea as far as I know. pb ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:29:08 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jeffrey Hamelman Subject: CCD and hobbyists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all the talk and writings about CCD all these months, I've not heard or read anywhere if it is a condition affecting just large beekeepers, particularly those who do a lot of trucking, or if it is hitting all beekeepers proportionally, including sideliners and hobbyists. Does anyone have any information about this? Jeffrey Hamelman Vermont ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:39:59 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Review: Bee Venom Therapy in Multiple Sclerosis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Review: Bee Venom Therapy in Multiple Sclerosis http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/06/review-venom-therapy-in-multiple.html …there is a renewed interest in the therapeutic potential of venoms in MS. The efficacy of this therapeutic method remains unclear. However, venom-based therapy using bee, snakes and scorpions venom and/or sea anemones toxin has been recently developed because current investigations have identified the various components and molecular mechanism of the effects of venoms under in vitro and in vivo conditions. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:56:57 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: CCD and hobbyists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you read our survey results, as posted last week at beealert.info, you will find your answer. Simply stated, CCD is reported by all sizes and types of beekeepers, its not just a problem of migratory beekeepers. Jerry ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:14:11 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Peter_L._Borst?=" Subject: Re: CCD and hobbyists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeffrey Hamelman wrote: > just large beekeepers, particularly those who do a lot of trucking, or if it is hitting all beekeepers proportionally, including sideliners and hobbyists. Does anyone have any information about this? In this month's ABJ: Generally, the total loss experienced by commercial beekeepers (managing more than 500 hives) was the lowest at 31.2% when compared to hobbyist (managing 1 to 50 colonies; 38.0%) and sideline (managing 51 to 500 colonies; 35.4%) beekeepers. However, the average loss reported by each group was approximately the same. An Estimate of Managed Colony Losses in the Winter of 2006 – 2007: A Report Commissioned by the Apiary Inspectors of America by DENNIS VAN ENGELSDORP, ROBYN UNDERWOOD, DEWEY CARON, and JERRY HAYES, JR. American Bee Journal July 2007 ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:16:35 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Janet A. Katz" Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <20070627155540.68555.qmail@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dee wrote: "This to me is just basics for starting..while some would then use artificial feeds..." You have written in the past, Dee, (unless I am mistaken) that you move hives when they are in areas of nectar dearth to areas where they have forage. This is not an option that all of us have. In my part of NJ the main nectar flow is coming to an end and the fall flow becomes more minimal each year with more development of land. What would you suggest, when there is so little nectar available, as last August in NJ, that the queen stops laying (or the workers take back the eggs--I don't know which) and there was only a small five-day fall flow, and I have nowhere nor the capability of moving my bees to any available forage? Should I let them starve? Or should I just stop keeping bees? If they cannot produce young bees in September and October for lack of forage, and I either cannot move them or have nowhere to move them to that has forage, then the older bees will never make it through a NJ winter. What do you suggest? Janet A. Katz Chester, NJ ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:43:41 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The idea that mite resistant hives take mites away from others hurting via drift/or crashing should certainly not be new concept, and if it is to you, then you need to learn more about it and why this also is cause for skewed research results of both short term and long term duration! Dee ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? 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Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:33:25 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: CCD and hobbyists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jeffrey & All, > I've not heard or read anywhere if it is a condition affecting just large beekeepers, particularly those who do a lot of trucking, or if it is hitting all beekeepers proportionally, including sideliners and hobbyists According to the CCD survey all areas of beekeeping have reported CCD. However as pointed out by Brian, Peter and others only cases which have been looked at by the CCD team do most of us consider real CCD cases. Many attempts have been made to put an exact number on the actual CCD loss. In my opinion the exact or even close to exact number will never be found. All beekeeping history now and most of those *survey reported* CCD deadouts now contain bees. August is six weeks away now and corn ( if the corn pollen is part of our problem)is in tassel. We do know we saw things in those CCD deadouts which* in my opinion* we never saw before. My beekeeping experience dates back to the 1950's and my first beekeeping mentor back into the 1800's and I never saw myself or heard of such things from my mentor. Disappearing disease was the first problem in beekeeping I ever heard about besides the foulbroods. I think I have read every article ever published( and most likely have still got those articles in my ABJ & BC collections). What is being reported now does not fit the old "disappearing disease" from what I know but does fit several articles in bee magazines about pesticide kills. I have seen on numerous occasions hives with frames of brood and only young bees and a queen from pesticide kill. The bees did not disappear but were killed by pesticides in the field or simply could not locate the hive. One report I got this week from a commercial beekeeper. " My hives seem weak but when I look into the brood nest I find plenty of brood but not a lot of bees" Early CCD? Pesticide contaminated pollen has always been a problem and causes winterkill and slow buildup in spring UNTIL fresh starts coming in. Also would be untouched by robbers, moths and small hive beetle in my opinion. The reason in my opinion large migratory beekeepers see such large scale losses could be partially do to stress. If the hives are having problems and then moved a long distance it seems the stress can cause even a small problem to result in large losses. It is very true we have been trucking bees without seeing large die offs for a long time but weak hives have always crashed when exposed to stress of moving. When trucking your best and strongest hives some will crash enroute. A load of weak hives with problems will result in large scale losses. Hives with small clusters will not survive many times when placed on the front of a semi load for California in winter. We do place a tarp to try and keep the wind chill down but you can see the wind chill on the front when the temp is below freezing and the truck is driving 70 MPH. Less than and inch of wood provides little protection. Also hives being transported by large beekeepers are not cared for like at home. Many beekeepers are home sending load after load for a long period and a beekeeper friend/ broker is simply showing up to unload at the other end. Hives which might have been saved through combining or feeding are lost. Bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:40:46 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <003601c7b8e7$4c97a030$0203a8c0@D84KC3C1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Janet: I might move 1-2 yards with bees cross valleys to where flows are better in extreme years in local area. Did that last year due to lack of pasture. But mostly I fed back honey from the rich to the poor. I also save back melter honey for feed in poor years. But I would suggest feeding back honey and not syrup even if you have to buy honey from another beekeeper or store even. Dee ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:53:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Peter_L._Borst?=" Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dee Lusby wrote: >The idea that mite resistant hives take mites away from >others hurting via drift/or crashing should certainly not >be new concept, and if it is to you, then you need to learn >more about it and why this also is cause for skewed >research results of both short term and long term duration! There is a world of difference between "drifting" which is entirely unintentional and the implications in the phrase "take mites away". Hives are not "doing anything" when bees or mites drift into them. They are the recipients of the contagious problems of the other hives. Drifting is a well-known phenomena, one I am entirely familiar with, and it does tend to skew results when test and control hives are placed side by side. However, most experts reject the idea that placing control and test hives in separate apiaries will produce "more meaningful" results. You see, too close and you get the inevitable drift. Too far, and you introduce a new variable: the effect of a different location. How much effect that may have is difficult to measure but it could account for any differences in the two groups. pb ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:02:22 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: wild parsnip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In southern Mn the highly invasive plant wild parsnip is edging out sweet clover and other bee forage plants along roadsides and border areas. I was shocked this week to see some areas devoid of other plants I have seen before with wild parsnip taking over. This nasty plant which leaves a sun activated rash on some folks is surprisingly agressive in its march north and east in our state. I see nectar in the flowers and see some bees visiting sometimes. Anybody else have experience with this plant? http://www.wnrmag.com/stories/1999/jun99/parsnip.htm ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:02:24 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter I would like to expand on what Peter said... > Since I have looked at hundreds of sticky boards, and counted thousands of > mites, I must point out that the boards give a basic estimate of the number > of mites in a hive. Low mite drop generally indicates low infestation. The sticky board only tells you about mite drop, before you can equate that to mite numbers you have to calibrate the drop found, by killing the colony and washing off all remaining mites with detergent. Once you have found that ratio of remaining mites to dropped mites for the season, management method, race of bee and weather conditions concerned, you can draw conclusions from other colonies that drop mites under similar season and conditions. Without calibration, the figure of drop is actually meaningless. If a beekeeper finds a mite drop that he considers high, it is likely that he will reach for a hard chemical treatment, when the cause of the mite drop may have been bees that were more effective at getting varroa out of their nest without chemical help. Regards & Best 73s, Dave Cushman, G8MZY http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman or http://www.dave-cushman.net Short FallBack M/c, Build 6.02/3.1 (stable) ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:12:22 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Medicinal Use of Propolis Growing in Uganda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Medicinal Use of Propolis Growing in Uganda Bees Make Wonder Drug By Halima Shaban, New Vision (Uganda) http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/06/review-venom-therapy-in-multiple.html Malaika Honey has filed an application to the National Drug Authority (NDA) for permission to dispense propolis as a drug. A letter signed by the NDA executive secretary, Apollo Muhairwe, says propolis has been placed on the list of notified local herbal medicines… ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:29:51 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: <46839540.3090603@lineone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dave: You are so right Dave, in that when a beekeeper finds a mite drop that he considers high, it is likely that he will reach for a hard chemical treatment, when the cause of the mite drop may have been bees that were more effective at getting varroa out of their nest without chemical help; this is the bad part,the then treating of your best bees, when in actually you should let'em be, and follow what they are doing, and make more bees from them instead of those with low counts, that many times mean they cannot handle the load in grooming and other in house duties. Regards to you, Dee ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:40:28 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D._Murrell?=" Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Guys, I've found that higher natural mite drop doesn't necessarily correlate to more mites. There are just too many variables with both the mites and the bees. Initially, my small cell hives natural mite drop sometimes exceeded the natural mite fall, in my other hives, by a magnitude. It seemed obvious, due to mite damage, etc. that those small cell hives were cleaning the mites out. But to be sure, I developed the varroa blaster. It's just a modified plastic bottle that facilitates powdered sugar dusting. With a screened bottom board, a colony could be dusted. And a better idea of the relationship between natural mite fall and total mite count obtained. I used successive treatments to get a handle on the number of sealed mites. It beats killing and counting. Regards Dennis ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:18:22 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Keeping a colony in a nuc year round. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A couple stopped by 2 weeks to get some honey and bees for sting therapy. They called the other day to ask if they can keep a small colony on their property. They are not interested in making honey, just want to keep some bees for stinging. A 5-frame nuc would be great for them. Does anyone have a good way of restricting the queen to lay only in 1 frame or 1 1/2 frames? [The idea is to hold the population back during the spring build up so they would not get the urge to swarm.] Is there a standard queen restrictor out on the market? I suppose I could make something out of queen excluder material for them. Thanks! Waldemar ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:39:00 -0500 Reply-To: Erik Whalen-Pedersen Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Erik Whalen-Pedersen Subject: Re: wild parsnip MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are a number of relatives of this plant that cause similar = problems. It is known to be a problem in prairie areas in Illinois and = DNR has issued a document on it. I have seen it and there are warnings = for it at the McHenry County Conservation District parks. http://dnr.state.il.us/INPC/pdf/VMG%20Wild%20parsnip%20revised%202007.pdf= There is also a scary relative that I have seen out in the Eastern = states, known as "giant hogweed," that has been a problem there. = Imagine a gigantic wild parsnip that can reach 15 feet and extend 3 feet = in all directions from the center stalk. These were reported in = Illinois last year and the state has been developing a plan to deal with = the threat. =20 http://www.landscapeonline.com/research/article/7708 Erik ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Fredericksen=20 To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: [BEE-L] wild parsnip invasive plant wild parsnip=20 http://www.wnrmag.com/stories/1999/jun99/parsnip.htm ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:49:17 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Scot McPherson Organization: McPherson Family Farms Subject: Re: Keeping a colony in a nuc year round. In-Reply-To: <20070628.131822.29408.4@webmail16.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since these bees are for apitherapy and not production, than I cannot see any reason why you would need to restrict swarming. Even if they did swarm too strong and left the NUC week, you could just get a frame of brood from a friend for say $10 to get it going again. Again its not a production colony. Scot McPherson McPherson Family Farms Davenport, IA ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:17:03 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 27/06/2007 12:09:46 GMT Standard Time, deelusbybeekeeper@YAHOO.COM writes: Yes many times, and no results ever the same Dee, If your bees, which I presume from your mails over the years are fairly docile, do turn out to be African then it might help to dispel the fear that people have of them and may also give you a commercial opportunity to market packages or 'docile African Queens' to upgrade those in afflicted areas. Chris ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:25:43 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Comparing LC to SC for varroa..... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris: Maybe if I were in it for the money. But I am in it for what is right and proper unfortunately, and good ID work FWIW that is repeatable, lab to lab, country to country. Dee ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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