From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 11:06:18 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-90.3 required=2.4 tests=AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBC348943 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SG3YWZ017258 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:36 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0812E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 38743 Lines: 931 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:48:25 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Portuguese Apitherapist to Live on Diet of Bee Products Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Portuguese Apitherapist to Live on Diet of Bee Products Apitherapy News, 12/29/2008 http://tinyurl.com/753ln5 Beginning in January, Portuguese apitherapist Antonio Couto will seek to live exclusively on a diet of bee hive products. Apitherapy News asked Mr. Couto about his experiment. He will track the progress of his dietary experiment online. Q: Could you tell us a little about yourself? A: My name is Antonio Couto, I am 46-years-old, Portuguese, live in Lisbon, where I have an apitherapy office. Q: Why did you choose to undertake this experiment? A: First of all because I know that way is possible to keep our body in balance (nutritionally and physically) and also because I want to know in my case how far I can go… Read the entire interview at www.apitherapynews.com ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:59:38 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Portuguese Apitherapist to Live on Diet of Bee Products Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a feeling it's not right to live on a bee colony diet alone without fruits and vegetables. Many 'green' (vegetable) and 'red' (fruit) nutrients are not found in pollen or honey. Fiber may be lacking as well. I'll keep an open mind though. Waldemar ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:08:44 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Marron Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle in Canada In-Reply-To: <6617018D-6544-4F2B-A50E-052195F0941A@interlog.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 26-Dec-08, at 1:10 PM, Martin Braunstein wrote: > > It is interesting to note that Aethina tumida specimens found in > Quebec ************************************* Has it been shown that SHBs winter over in Canada? Dick Marron ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:16:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Darrell Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle in Canada In-Reply-To: <003f01c969cf$ba038770$2e0a9650$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 29-Dec-08, at 11:08 AM, Dick Marron wrote: > > Has it been shown that SHBs winter over in Canada? > > Hi Dick and all Hopefully not, but if all the infested hives were destroyed maybe we can avoid them once again. Bob Darrell Caledon Ontario Canada 44N80W ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:31:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: Re: Coke and bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would have wrote more on this a bit earlier, but the bee hives were draped in black crape A study ‘need not mention CCD by name’ to be helpful in this particular area of research. Although CCD is not named in the study, the study may have potential value to research being conducted in at least two of the many areas of interest to CCD researchers, which are the effects that nutrition and pesticides have on a honeybee colony. We know that a chemical used by the coca plant to defend itself from leaf- eating insects interferes with octopamine transit in insect brains. And from this study, we find that cocaine tends to interfere with octopamine in forager bees, causing them to exaggerate their dances (which may have a great potential to affect colony nutrition). We know that many pesticides have a mode of action which targets the octopamine receptors of insects. We know that amatraz -used in beehives, works by that same mode of action -targeting the octopamine receptors in insects (or at least experts believe that this is the mode of action). Where it becomes interesting, is that we know that octopamine is essential to the forager bees ability to discern higher quality nutritional sources from the lesser quality sources, by directly modulating the dances accordingly. Any environmental influence that affects the foragers ability to discern the higher nutritional foods from the lesser is very curious indeed, and would by necessity, make it a high priority area of research in the CCD research efforts, in my opinion. I encourage any research directed towards the effects pesticides have on octopamine in honeybee foragers, as I feel this should be an area of grave concern to all beekeepers. The dangers are that perhaps more pesticides that target the octopamine receptors will be developed. And another concern is that octopamine itself, or chemicals affecting octopamine levels in forager honeybees might be used by farmers to trick honeybees to visit lesser quality sources, which would be devastating to foraging abilities, thereby causing great confusion and nutritional deficit at the colony level, which will intern affect the immune system of the honeybee and its ability to fight disease. IMO, it’s not always the answers from research, but the questions that arise from research that are the most interesting. Best Wishes, Joe “We do know allot about honeybees. From all the things that we do know, one of the things that we do know, is that we do not know, all there is to know about honeybees.” http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricalHoneybeeArticles/ ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:09:18 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Ames Subject: honey laundering in the news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit real in depth article on honey laundering http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/394053_honey30.asp ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:48:20 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: honey laundering in the news Comments: cc: kim@beeculture.com, robert.seccomb@umontana.edu, rseccomb@beealert.blackfoot.net, charles.h.wick@us.army.mil, chwick10@msn.com, mrwick@bvs-inc.us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit m_anwithbees@GMAIL.COM_ (mailto:manwithbees@GMAIL.COM) writes about the in depth article on honey laundering: _http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/394053_honey30.asp_ (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/394053_honey30.asp) I've been waiting for this article. Last spring, a customs agent contacted me about this issue - he had a good start on all of this, took it personal, he and his wife use honey, have children, try to feed them quality food. He was distressed by lack of interest from FDA, and surprised to find how much of this was going on, as well as all of the ways in which the product was being brought in, and some of the people who were involved. Then, Andrew Schneider, the Seattle P.I. reporter, contacted me. He's spent several months on what he thought was going to be a short article. He's been all over the U.S. tracking this story. He met with Dave Westerveld and myself in MT, when Dave was here for the MT beekeeping meetings. Not sure how we got involved with all of this, but both were looking for contacts within the bee industry who would help them sort all of this out. I directed them toward contacts at the national bee associations, who had had a history fighting dumping, adulterated honey, the AHPA lawyer, etc. I was amused when both said that they weren't sure why they had my name, but that numerous people had referred them to me. Both knew more about this, than I; but neither knew much about the structure or contacts within the national beekeeping associations. So, did my best to introduce them to those in the bee industry who don't like these practices, still value quality U.S. honey. As I understand, there may be a series of stories. Will be interested to see if charges are filed. At least one customs agent wants to see some folks prosecuted and put in jail. Talking with Andrew and the customs agent, this story is complex, runs deep, involves some surprising people and countries. Jerry **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:27:11 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Ames Subject: Re: honey laundering in the news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am already using this as a sales tool to try and get rid of the bogus "regional" honey on the shelf next to mine at area stores. The reporter could have noted how the packers use a dizzying array of labels to package imported honey to make it look like a local, regional or national sourced product. The grocery industry has no idea about the depth of this issue. Everyone who sells honey can use this article as a sales tool. I sent the reporter a letter of thanks - I suggest other interested beekeepers should do the same to encourage him to get the word out and as Jerry noted he may be working on further articles. This is a great article and timely with the concern about China.... ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:43:32 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: More News from the Island (UK) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk/?page=3Deditorial&id=3D869&catID=3D4 End of the British honeybee? [image: End of the British honeybee?] Monday December 22nd 2008 Honeybees could disappear completely from Britain in 10 years, causing economic and environmental damage on a vast scale, according to the British Beekeepers Association. There is no solution to the combined culprits =96 a variety of bee parasite called the varroa mite and a disease known as colon= y collapse disorder. Beekeeper *Judy Heal* has been petitioning the governmen= t to fund better research http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1003103?UserKey=3D Fears Scotland's bee population faces being wiped out Calls for research into disease By Cameron Brooks Published: 24/12/2008 SCOTS honey supplies could dry up unless urgent action is taken to safeguar= d bees, a north-east MSP has warned. Tory Nanette Milne called on the Scottish Government to change its attitude to- wards bee health as over 25% of domestic insects have been killed by diseases such as the varroa des- tructor mite over the last two years. Despite the bee industry contributing over =A3165million a year through cross-pollination to the domestic agricultural output, the UK Government ha= s yet to license alternative treatments used widely throughout the European Union. --=20 Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dbee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:47:45 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: Advice for New Years Eve Celebration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Be sure to have honey with you for sale at your celebration, and provide honey on the table for your friends as you would champagne. "According to the National Institute of Neurological and Communicative Disorders and Stroke, honey speeds up alcohol metabolism,which means that it will help your body break down the alcohol more quickly. What Women Need to Know - 2005, page 14 By Marianne Legato, Carol Colman "…eating toast and honey after a long evening's drinking will help prevent the morning-after hangover headache…" Better Homes and Gardens - 1977, page 61 In addition to the above, folklore says: "A Person Fed Honey On First of January Stays Sweet All Year." Best Wishes, Joe ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:54:59 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Griggs Mike Subject: Re: honey laundering in the news In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:27:11 -0500 >From: Brian Ames >Subject: Re: honey laundering in the news >labels to package imported honey to make it look like a local, regional or national sourced product. >The grocery industry has no idea about the depth of this issue. Everyone who sells honey can use this >article as a sales tool. Just back from Florida where I was checking out the "Honey isle" & prices. ( I cannot recall the certifying organization but it was stamped with a small--officially organic certified by..O something) Being a bit skeptical I figure its NOT ORGANIC, just another sales plug. or the certifying body has a different view of organic standards--no wonder consumers are confused! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Publix GreenWise Market Organic Honey. It's the perfect topping on your biscuits. And when you're feeling a bit under the weather, it serves as a wonderful remedy in your tea. Of course it has everything you'd expect in conventional honey—the vitamins and minerals. The antibacterial properties. The antioxidants. The only difference is that our organic honey isn't pasteurized. So it retains all of its healthy benefits. Plus, our bees aren't exposed to any chemicals, pesticides or herbicides. The more pure the bee, the more pure the honey. As with all Publix GreenWise Market products you can expect the best. Our organic honey tastes just as good as, if not better than, the leading brand. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ They had a real nice inverted plastic container--labels were sloppy Mike Griggs Happy New Year! ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:00:09 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: honey laundering in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike said: Just back from Florida where I was checking out the "Honey isle" & prices. ( I cannot recall the certifying organization but it was stamped with a small--officially organic certified by..O something) Being a bit skeptical I figure its NOT ORGANIC, just another sales plug. or the certifying body has a different view of organic standards--no wonder consumers are confused! Andrew, the reporter from the Seattle P.I. called me some weeks back. The honey coming in from Bermuda was labeled in this manner. Bad enough that it came from China via Bermuda, but it got called ORGANIC and local. Looks like you found the scam. Jerry **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:42:28 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_L_Borst?= Subject: Re: honey laundering in the news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:54:59 -0500, Griggs Mike wrote: >As with all Publix GreenWise Market products you can expect the best. >Our organic honey tastes just as good as, if not better than, the >leading brand. Their own Product Information Disclaimer PUBLIX MAY OBTAIN PRODUCT AND ITEM PHOTOGRAPHS, NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION AND INGREDIENTS FROM THE MANUFACTURERS OR SUPPLIERS OF SUCH PRODUCTS AND ITEMS, AND/OR THIRD-PARTY PROVIDERS OF SUCH IMAGES AND DATA. WE DO NOT INVESTIGATE THESE MATTERS TO DETERMINE IF THE INFORMATION IS ACCURATE, NOR CAN WE PROVIDE ASSURANCE THAT ALL DATA ENTRY WAS DONE WITHOUT ERROR. IF MANUFACTURERS CHANGE INGREDIENTS OR NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION, WE CANNOT BE CERTAIN THAT WE WILL UPDATE THE INFORMATION IN A TIMELY MANNER. ACCORDINGLY, THE INFORMATION DISPLAYED ON OUR WEB SITE IS NOT GUARANTEED TO BE 100% ACCURATE. Got that right ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:41:57 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Subject: Drone Comb Destruction versus Removal/Replacement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back from vacation, so I'll attempt again to describe what happens when one tries to make drone brood removal "scale up" to hundreds of colonies. Long story short, you can make this scale up if you are "perfect" on timing, and kill the drone brood by freezing, thus preserving the drawn comb itself. The Germans covered all this ground in the late 1990s, so an adequate set of existing studies and documentation has been around for a while. The problem of "how to freeze" is the sticking point. The best I could do was to utilize compressed CO2 tanks as if they were oversized fire extinguishers, but even this was "expensive". Dave Cushman said: > It is possible for a Langstroth frame to be built out in > about one hour from a pencil thickness bead of wax, Isn't this merely because that "pencil thickness" of wax is all the wax needed to draw out the entire frame? If the bees have to make the wax themselves, the process takes a bit longer, and does not happen at all if there is no bloom to provide fresh nectar. This is why the bees rework worker brood comb into drone comb as a direct result of cutting out drone comb, as the wax is the scarce resource. Randy said: > What I said, Jim, was "I find that by giving them a place to > do so, they don't build it elsewhere. Seeley, in the study > that you cited, found the same to be true." I didn't say > anything about removing it. The complete, in-context statement from your post of Dec 19th was as follows: >> I only cut drone cells out of the drone trap frames the Brian >> and I were speaking of. We do indeed want the bees to draw >> replacement drone comb in them. I find that by giving them >> a place to do so, they don't build it elsewhere. Seeley, in >> the study that you cited, found the same to be true. "Cutting out" cells would be "removing" them. But your experience does not have to match my experience, nor does it have to match Seeley's. I said: >> I call drone frames "varroa hand grenades". Randy answered: > I too was of that opinion until I obtained > empirical data from field observations. Quite a few beekeepers keep decent notebooks, so many opinions are backed up by "empirical data from field observations". Most of us still call them mere "opinions" as we realize that such observations lack controls, consistent methodologies, and often, statistical significance. But I'd love to see some of that empirical data, if you have some. I love counter-intuitive claims! Randy said: > Or it could be that the occasional removal of a > drone comb is enough to disrupt the mite > reproductive cycle enough to be of benefit. This does not match my "empirical data from field observations", nor does it match the observations of many others, both in Germany and in the US, hence the universal focus on timing, timing, timing. Perhaps your area has different conditions from the rest of the country, but most places, letting drone frames hatch out is going to result in a massive increase in the number of mites. > Again, we need much more field data. I have > completely given up on common sense, and now > only trust actual field data. My impression has been that the bulk of the "common sense" comes from actual field data. But again, I'd love to see your data. Drone removal as practiced in Germany requires too much labor to "scale up". Any reduction in the labor required would help. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:27:55 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Subject: Re: honey laundering in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The honey coming in from Bermuda was labeled in this manner. > Bad enough that it came from China via Bermuda, Before anyone gets the idea that Bermuda had anything to do with honey laundering, let me state on behalf of the handful of beekeepers in Bermuda that they DO export small amounts of honey to the US every year, and no one has ever accused Bermuda of any funny business. Someone in the BAHAMAS stands accused of some false flag transshipments, but there are also beekeepers in the Bahamas, despite the comments of Mr. Westervelt as quoted in the article: "I have a difficult time seeing the Grand Bahamas as a major honey producer," said David Westervelt, a Florida state apiculture inspector. "It's an island. You move bees on there and they'll die." While the Bahamas have never been a major honey producer, bees have no trouble surviving there, and they can produce decent crops. Let's not condemn innocent beekeepers for the usual activities of importers, exporters, and packers. The illegal transshipments have been obvious for years - Bee-L noted the massive amounts of honey coming out of Singapore and Vietnam back in 2003: http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0307a&L=bee-l&T=0&P=1467 ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:35:13 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Campolo, Chris" Subject: moving bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I need some expert advice here. We need to move three hives from a farmer's field to our house, about thirty miles. It is cold, maybe thirty five degrees F in the morning. If we go out in the morning, close them up, and bring them home, I'm worried that the shaking of the drive will agitate them into leaving their ball, and then they'll get too cold and die. Is this a legitimate worry, or can I move them on one of these very cold days without special risks? Many thanks for any advice. --Chris C. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:10 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Follkert Miedema Subject: Re: moving bees In-Reply-To: <9F3B003643FC5F42930EFB83E276C8604505C95D1F@HNXEXCH.hendrix.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris=2Cjust don"t drive to fast > Date: Wed=2C 31 Dec 2008 16:35:13 -0600 > From: Campolo@HENDRIX.EDU > Subject: [BEE-L] moving bees > To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu >=20 > I need some expert advice here. We need to move three hives from a farme= r's field to our house=2C about thirty miles. It is cold=2C maybe thirty f= ive degrees F in the morning. If we go out in the morning=2C close them up= =2C and bring them home=2C I'm worried that the shaking of the drive will a= gitate them into leaving their ball=2C and then they'll get too cold and di= e. >=20 > Is this a legitimate worry=2C or can I move them on one of these very col= d days without special risks? >=20 > Many thanks for any advice. >=20 > --Chris C. >=20 > ******************************************************* > * Search the BEE-L archives at: * > * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dbee-l * > ******************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/events.aspx= ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dbee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:52:24 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Scott Plante Subject: Re: moving bees MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Chris, I live up in Canada we move bees during the winter, and at thirty five degrees F, load them up and move them off, but don't close them off (because they need Oxygen). Some bees might come out(less than 1%), but the entire cluster will heat up during travel and will expand. You will have minimal damage as long as the rest of wintering is calm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Campolo, Chris" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [BEE-L] moving bees >I need some expert advice here. We need to move three hives from a >farmer's field to our house, about thirty miles. It is cold, maybe thirty >five degrees F in the morning. If we go out in the morning, close them up, >and bring them home, I'm worried that the shaking of the drive will agitate >them into leaving their ball, and then they'll get too cold and die. > > Is this a legitimate worry, or can I move them on one of these very cold > days without special risks? > > Many thanks for any advice. > > --Chris C. > > ******************************************************* > * Search the BEE-L archives at: * > * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * > ******************************************************* > ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:37:55 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Ames Subject: Re: moving bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My experience had been no matter how careful I am invariably an inner cover or bottom board comes loose in transit and a hive gets jacked up. I always screw or nail down the inner covers and use a hive staple on the bottom boards. If you don't have any staples you can make a cleat with some scrap wood and screw into the stack and bottom board. I use my Dewalt a lot moving hives, it does not shake the hive up like a hammer. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:46:12 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_L_Borst?= Subject: Re: moving bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi For me moving bees was always a pain until I started using ratchet straps. I have moved 4 ups with straps without a worry of them coming apart. pb ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:22:03 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Donald Aitken Subject: Re: moving bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris: We live in Alberta and often move hives at temperatures lower than freezing. I would close them up with a bit of wire mesh so they cannot leave while en route. It would be good to move them in the late evening and let them out in the morning. Best regards Donald Aitken ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:43:32 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Shane W." Subject: Re: moving bees In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The rope and hook method works best for me. --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Peter L Borst wrote: From: Peter L Borst Subject: Re: [BEE-L] moving bees To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:46 PM Hi For me moving bees was always a pain until I started using ratchet straps. I have moved 4 ups with straps without a worry of them coming apart. pb ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:48:29 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Campolo, Chris" Subject: Re: moving bees In-Reply-To: <403443.88558.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm getting the impression that this is not a problem. That's a big relief--many thanks, everyone. For my two cents, I'll add that we have always used ratchet straps and found them to be extremely effective. Then again, we don't have that many hives. Thanks again! --Chris ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * *******************************************************